Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-17 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Specific graphics can relate to branding; if they didn't want to do that, I can understand it. They did put a lot of work into clang/llvm and CUPS, and that's certainly benefited others. They've open sourced some things they wrote themselves (or bought), like libdispatch and the Swift

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-17 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
Exactly. This is the problem. One says "allow me so I can improve the project" and after you allow s/he says "I will not contribute back". This was why I mentioned Apple. Is it true of false that Apple used BSD to build their Os? Is it true

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-16 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
I can see both sides of the argument, although I must say that permissive licenses rarely see corporate users contribute back their code, Andrew tanenbaum, creator of Minix, received a letter from an employee of intel stating how intel preferred permissively licensed software to copyleft

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license On 14/06/2018 09:23 πμ, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > Antonis Tsolomitis writes: > >> And what people mean by "LGPL is restrictive" ? Restrictive for who? > For any developer touching the code. Exac

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-14 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 14/06/2018 09:23 πμ, Matthew R. Trower wrote: Antonis Tsolomitis writes: And what people mean by "LGPL is restrictive" ? Restrictive for who? For any developer touching the code. Exactly. So when someone says "restrictive" it makes no sense. S/he must say "restrictive to the developer

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Antonis Tsolomitis writes: > And what people mean by "LGPL is restrictive" ? Restrictive for who? For any developer touching the code. > I am mainly a user. And for example the "original BSD" is very restrictive > for my freedom > (and very nice for Apple by the way). > And if such a license

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-13 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis
On 13/06/2018 05:06 πμ, Matthew R. Trower wrote: Jon Trulson writes: Well, I'd like to move to an MIT license, but I haven't heard any other opinions. I'd be in favor of moving to the MIT license at some point (or BSD for that

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-13 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
So then we will not move to MIT anymore? It doesn't matter either way for me, I just want to get it out of the way so we can get other things done. If this is the case, we should take the MIT stuff off of the wiki. ​Thank you for your time, -Chase​ ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On June

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-13 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/12/2018 05:22 PM, Chase wrote: I guess the only way to get the ball rolling is to wait for peter to get back then... Shame as our move to MIT could fix the licensing issues when trying to implement a newer version of ast-ksh. According to a one-liner from Peter on #cde, we would need

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-12 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Christopher Turkel wrote: I see can see the political reasons for the move and software projects have moved licenses for worse reasons. I'd like a BSD license of some kind, I'd be in favor of it. MIT, and BSD licenses are great. I won't harp on the ones I don't like as

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-12 Thread Christopher Turkel
I see can see the political reasons for the move and software projects have moved licenses for worse reasons. I'd like a BSD license of some kind, I'd be in favor of it. On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:06 PM Matthew R. Trower wrote: > Jon Trulson writes: > > > Well, I'd like to move to an MIT

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-12 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > Well, I'd like to move to an MIT license, but I haven't heard any > other opinions. I'd be in favor of moving to the MIT license at some point (or BSD for that matter, but MIT is what's on the table). I'd be more satisfied with it politically. I'm not sure that we *need*

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-12 Thread Christopher Turkel
I don't see the point of moving to the MIT license, I'm not against it, I just don't see the point. On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:32 PM Jon Trulson wrote: > On 06/12/2018 05:22 PM, Chase wrote: > > The headers can be changed with a simple used find and replace. > > > > Which touches a lot of files

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-12 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/12/2018 05:22 PM, Chase wrote: The headers can be changed with a simple used find and replace. Which touches a lot of files and can be error prone... It wasn't the install database, my bad, was thinking of something different, its used in dtinfo, for the library dtmmdb, but the point

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] Moving to MIT license

2018-06-12 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/11/2018 06:15 PM, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel wrote: Hi all, I would like to know, what is holding up our move to the MIT license? Well, I'd like to move to an MIT license, but I haven't heard any other opinions. I am also not sure what would be involved, or ultimately, whether there