Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2020-03-30 Thread Ray Ramadorai
early in 2018... Ray -Original Message- From: Dave Taht [mailto:dave.t...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:53 AM To: Jim Gettys Cc: Christopher Robin; cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee A couple things on the spacebee. 0) I LOVE t

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Matt Taggart
On 03/13/2018 10:47 AM, Christopher Robin wrote: With all the noise around this launch, I haven’t been able to find info on expected operational lifespan vs expected orbit decay. LEO’s can still last for decades. The only thing I’m finding is an expected use for 6mo to 2yr, but not sure how lo

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Matt Taggart
On 03/13/2018 11:06 AM, Dave Taht wrote: I am painfully aware of this. On of my big fears in the SDI 80s was that someone would deploy pebbles in a reverse or polar GEO orbit, rigged to explode in a war extending to space. Continuing a tangent... The Sci-Fi TV show The Expanse recently had a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 13 Mar, 2018, at 7:31 pm, Dave Taht wrote: > >> Size, until the object gets really small, really doesn't matter. > > The odds of a collision drop proportionally (what's the math?) to > size. Imagine useful sats this small, or smaller, in lower orbits that > burn up in a few years, and const

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:25 AM, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > > > This is fascinating. Could it be that the idea of "open networks of > satellites" are going to start to play the role of WiFi or UWB? Scalable > sharing of orbital space, using a simple cooperative protocol? In other > words, the fi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Christopher Robin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jim Gettys wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> >>> 2) Although the FCC denied the application based on having inadaquate >>> radar reflectivity, according to their standar

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:49 AM, wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:52:53 -0700, Dave Taht said: > >> Spacebee - Having a payload 1/4th the size of a cubesat *work* and be >> useable! is a major advance. And is 1/4th the space junk. Worrying >> about something smaller than baseball hitting anything

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:52:53 -0700, Dave Taht said: > Spacebee - Having a payload 1/4th the size of a cubesat *work* and be > useable! is a major advance. And is 1/4th the space junk. Worrying > about something smaller than baseball hitting anything strikes me as > control freakery at the FCC. Fo

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Christopher Robin
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jim Gettys wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > >> 2) Although the FCC denied the application based on having inadaquate >> radar reflectivity, according to their standards, the article states: >> >> "Websites dedicated to tracking operati

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Taht
t; person (named M. Marcus, now retired from FCC OET, and a friend) was >> >>> able to >> >>> enable the use of WiFi technologies in the ISM bands. Otherwise, the >> >>> idea >> >>> that all current poorly scalable systems ought to be all

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Jim Gettys
needs to use. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Please. Think harder. Become an expert on space technology, etc. Not > just > >>> someone who "knowledgably repeats lines from news media articles" as > so many > >&

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Dave Taht
lly uses a WiFi device or cellphone on airplanes. The Internet will >>> be inhabited only by criminals. Encryption is something no one with "nothing >>> to hide" needs to use. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please. Think harder. Become an expert on space

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-13 Thread Jim Gettys
se. Think harder. Become an expert on space technology, etc. Not just >> someone who "knowledgably repeats lines from news media articles" as so >> many do. >> >> >> >> My point is that while it may be that *geosynchronous equatorial orbit* >> is

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread Christopher Robin
r. Become an expert on space technology, etc. Not just > someone who "knowledgably repeats lines from news media articles" as so > many do. > > > > My point is that while it may be that *geosynchronous equatorial orbit* is > very tightly occupied, most MEO and LEO spa

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
hat while it may be that *geosynchronous equatorial orbit* is very tightly occupied, most MEO and LEO space is not densely occupied at all. -Original Message- From: "Christopher Robin" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 1:34pm To: "dpr...@deepplum.com" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bu

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread Christopher Robin
al Message- > From: "Jim Gettys" > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:26pm > To: "Dave Taht" > Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee > > I do believe that the international space treaties require our government >

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
rt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee I do believe that the international space treaties require our government to control all launches. Launching satellites without permission is a big no-no. Note that according to the article, it is collision risk, rather than radio

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread Jim Gettys
I do believe that the international space treaties require our government to control all launches. Launching satellites without permission is a big no-no. Note that according to the article, it is collision risk, rather than radio radiation, that is the issue here. Jim On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
This is fascinating. Could it be that the idea of "open networks of satellites" are going to start to play the role of WiFi or UWB? Scalable sharing of orbital space, using a simple cooperative protocol? In other words, the first step toward what Vint Cerf championed as the "Interplanetary In