Title: include vs custom tag
Curious. If you have time, can you explain what you
mean exactly when you say you are going to use custom tags for the framework?
A.
- Original Message -
From:
Dunwiddie, Bruce
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:29
I have a project where people can track their
progress though a training program. One of the things they need to do is view
images that they uploaded to our server and there are a couple of other files
that relate to them and them only.
The thing I'm agonizing about is rather to store
the f
y similar logic to
uniquely name uploaded files by default so you don't even have to worry about
it.
-Original Message-From: Adaryl Wakefield
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:36
AMTo:
For reasons beyond the scope of this email, I have
a session var that I no longer have need of. I want to get rid of it but the
method that I studied
does not
work and tosses an error. Since you can't destroy vars in CF should I just let
it set there in memory or is there something I can do
Just how many is TOO many session vars in an
application?
A.
Thanks Ryan (and you too Bruce). I'm trained as an analyst not a computer
scientist so the details of memory usage sometimes escapes me. Most of the
questions I ask are generated from my trusty (albeit rather thick and thus
hard to haul around) WROX CF 5 book and they will say stuff like "use
sessi
K I took the quotes out still not good.
#session.test#
StructClear(session.test);
gives me "Cannot convert given value to a struct. Please check the validity
of the expression"
Most of the book and Studio examples create structures before they get rid
of them. But it says clearly that this is how
is a string, try StructDelete(session,"test").
> StructClear is for clearing the entire session structure. A string, or
any
> other simple variable type, won't work with StructClear.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adaryl Wakefield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
&g
Id actually like to see a presentation on how you make really cool pictures
with nothing but punctuation.
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From: "Keith Purtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Hello
> Welcome, Katsuey. Can
Is this even possible? I need to display data from
a query thusly:
Category1
Person1
Person2
Person3
Category2
Person1
Person2
Person3
I used the group attribute of the output tag but
that only spit out 1 record.
Without the group attribute I get
Category1
Person1
Category1
Person2
...
Which i
SELECT Category
FROMTable
WHERE...
#i#
SELECTPerson
FROMTable
WHERECategory = #i#
#qry_people.Person#
-Original Message-
From: Adaryl Wakefield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday
A while back there was something on the list about
these stupid Messenger Service pop up ads. I looked in the archive but found
nothing on them.
Did anybody find a free way to stop them? They are
coming in on the web server and I have put up with them for a while, now they
are just making me
these ads:
FIREWALL, firewall, FireWall
If
you repect your site's content and your databases, get any kind of firewall
and get it out there in front of your web servers.
Robin Greenhagen
President
GSIhttp://www.gsi-kc.com/
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-Original Message-From: Adaryl Wakefield
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:38
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [KCFusion]
Messenger Ads (OT)
Its behind a firewall. That's one of the things
that had me grinding my te
This is a long shot but I can' t communication with
my flash lists at the moment. I'm sending a wddx packet from Flash MX to a cfm
page for processing. The problem is I don't have a clue how to deserialize it
once it gets to the cfm page. All the examples I can find are inappropriate.
Specif
right(string, 2)
A.
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From:
lance
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] Cold Fusion
What is the best way to get the last 2 char. in a
variable?
Lance W. BoykinCentralized Showing
Service(9
Ok let me come at this more abstractly. If you send
something via post, is there a way to identify and extract that
info?
A.
- Original Message -
From:
Adaryl Wakefield
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:53 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] WDDX
This is
We had a power failure over the weekend that has
resulted in some problems. When ever i try to start our web site I get a message
that says "A duplicate name exist on the network" which makes no sense. There
are no other web sites and no other computers with the same name as the
webserver. I
Its been so long since ive done this i forgot how. In an sql statement i
want only unique values of a field. I tried
SELECT Unique (id) as id
but that did not work.
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] an easy one
> SELECT DISTINCT id
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adaryl Wakefield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTE
Yes
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] an easy one
> Are the studentID and goalID unique when combined?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adaryl Wakefield [mailto:
get
only 1 record for each student would be:
SELECT DISTINCT table1.studentID
FROM table1Keep in mind that I'm no
SQL guru...Tyson-Original Message-From: Adaryl
Wakefield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:14
PMTo: [
Before i start running around the internet does anybody know off hand how to
handle HTML in XML? Looks like:
foo
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-Original Message-
From: Adaryl Wakefield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subje
Mind if we see the query?
A.
- Original Message -
From:
Bruce Phillips
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:25
AM
Subject: [KCFusion] ColdFusion Query
Times Out
I have a complex query on a template that times out every
time after about 25 seconds.
I have need to update a table and set a value to
NULL like
UPDATE blah
SET thisAttribute = nullValueHere
WHERE someStuff = someOtherStuff
so far I've tried
and
and some other things but so far nothing. Anybody
know right off the bat where I'm going wrong?
A.
al Message-From: Adaryl Wakefield
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:40
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [KCFusion]
I have need to update a table and set a value
to NULL like
UPDATE blah
SET thisAttribute = nullValueHere
WHERE
Well all my reference books are at work and
as it is firday night and im on my way out the door to go party just taking a
quick glance at it but (and I may just be missing a piece of the puzzle here)
but since you are selecting out CustomerEnrollementDate in the query don't you
have to assi
Heck! Are there any other CF coders even in Topeka or Lawrence besides
Robert and I?! I feel like Im Neal Armstrong on the moon over here!
A.
- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Hartwich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:09 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] Hal
low users to delete from. That
> could inactivate the record, then you could manually review the deletes
> before committing any of them. That's my 2 cents.
>
> Kory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adaryl Wakefield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, A
The mail archive does not appear to be
working.
A.
al Message -
From:
Adaryl
Wakefield
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:48
AM
Subject: Re: [KCFusion] security
question
Im sorry I was in a hurry and should have
explained this better. For the first time I am
Is is possible to alter the information that is
sent in the headers of a POST request?
A.
Im sorry I was in a hurry and should have explained
this better. For the first time I am faced with allowing users to delete info
from a database. I am trying to come up with a save method for doing that. In
other words I don't want people to just type random numbers in a query string
and st
Oh and just to elemenate confusion Im trying to
come up with a SAFE method..not a save method.
A.
- Original Message -
From:
Adaryl Wakefield
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:48
AM
Subject: Re: [KCFusion] security
question
Im sorry
2 cents.
Kory
-Original Message-From: Adaryl Wakefield
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:48
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [KCFusion]
security question
Im sorry I was in a hurry and should have
explained this better. For the f
http://www.friendsofed.com/
I remember a while back there was big discussion
about these guys going out of business. Anybody know what happened or even knew
that they were back?
A.
I had a bizarre experience over the weekend. We
hosted a conference out in BFE (Valley Falls) and took 10 laptops, networked
them and connected them to the buildings internet connection which was an ISDN
line. While there was noticible slow down in people surfing the web, what was
really fus
>Did you by chance ping your server or do a
tracert to it?
Yes that is usually the first thing I do when faced
with a page that does not load. Its really silly but I think the packets get
lost and need to be reminded where to go. Thats how I think of it anyway and in
this case no such luck
Cont'd (a little too fast on the send)
We actually run a pretty uncomplicated site. We
were loading crappily designed sites (www.bvmjets.com) and really good ones (www.accenture.com and www.msnbc.com) to see if it was something we
had done wrong. In all three cases the pages came up without a
Umm..maybe im not quite getting something in your
question but..your cfoutput is outside the loop tags. Since that is the
case then headlinePerSection keeps getting reassigned a
new value each loop 4 then 5 then 6. Why not put an array in the loop so you
could store the value each interation
The array idea is just a diffence in thought
process. When I started learning CF I was taught to separate logic and
presentation as much a possible so i would have tossed everything in the loop
above the opening tag and I would have stored the count of
instances in an array like
Are there any vb.net gurus here? I have a
conceptual question that I need some help with. You can contact me off
list.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A.
CF 5 sans Java
Adaryl Wakefield
Aviator by passion
Programmer by sheer force of will
- Original Message -
From: "Hale, Frederick L, WCS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] CF 5 and Java
Is t
Title: 数码精品大放送！
Has anybody else been getting these strange emails
all day? See below.
Adaryl WakefieldAviator by passionProgrammer by sheer force of
will
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From: 华恒科技
To: CF-List
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] 电脑数码产品寻求各地经销代理！好产品，等待您的
I am having a problem connecting to a SQL server DB
on Win2K using the merant drivers on a Linux server. I have already patched the
server and am still getting problems. I am digging through the CF forums but
would any of you happen to have trouble shooting suggestions?
A.
I need to insert data into multiple tables that are
related. Every example of an insert statement I have seen only inserts info into
one table. Do I need to write 4 different INSERT statements?
A.
Anybody have a clue what is wrong with this, I
keep geting told that there is a semicolon missing.
INSERT INTO
questiontest(question)VALUES('#Form.question#')UNIONINSERT INTO
questiontest(Cat_num)Select Cat_NumFrom CategoriesWhere
Categories.Category = '#Form.Category#';
A.
No good. I should have explained better. I need to
throw information collected from a form into four related tables. I cannot
find any kind of example to do this. The problem I am running into is
I have four statements wrapped in cftransaction tags but each
insert statement is creating its o
ct on the column you need and using the result when you
> insert into the 2nd table.
>
> Ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Adaryl Wakefield
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
im(Form.Category)#';
>
>
>
>
>
> INSERT INTO questiontest(question,Cat_num)
> VALUES
> ('#Form.question#',#val(cat_num)#)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
&g
Did anybody else have trouble working with Verity initally? It was working
fine and now it just stopped returning results that I know exist. Initally I
could delete the collection and recreate the collection and reindex the
collection and that fixed it. Now nothing I do fixes it. Any clue here?
A.
I discovered that it won't work with related tables
(that is unless I am doing something wrong) but when I just index one table it
works. What is the story here?A.
Because everybody is running scared of the security holes in IIS I may have
to work behind a firewall. Some comments have been made but who knows for
sure what breaks in CF5 when it is behind a firewall?
Adaryl
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ok so sounds like we have some scratchy ideas, anybody willing to take point
if not I'd love the challenge.
Adaryl
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Purtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion]
> Maybe to get things
No it really does say 12:20 AM underneath received.
Having a little early morning fight with RDS.
As far as I know I have my server development mappings are set right
Studio Path: RDS://the_server_url/C:Inetpub/wwwroot
Server Path: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot
Browser/URL Path: http://the_server_url
I can s
the rds properties from the dropdown list in the
file
> browser does server name match the string you are using as the_server_url?
> here is an example mapping
>
> server: c:\inetpub\wwwroot\
> studio c:\inetpub\wwwroot\
> browser: http://localhost/
>
>
> - Original Mes
I know the KC Convention and visitors bureau (www.visitkc.org) uses CF in a
limited fashion. Other than that besides who we all work for how do you all
propose we ferret out other CF users in KC.
A.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Purtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[E
It used to be that everytime I made a new database
I would create a new datasource. Someone showed me how to have one datasource
and then specify which database I wanted to use in my CFQuery tag. The problem
with that is in the database tab of the resource window (is that what it is
called?)
datasources.
--sorry--
Daryl
- Original Message -
From: Adaryl Wakefield
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] adding databases
It used to be that everytime I made a new
database I would create a new datasource
I am trying to populate and array with data pulled
from a table. Forta is being a little fuzzy about the technique on how to do
this. Anybody have any input?
Adaryl
Ok so after a bit of guess work this is what I came
up with:
SELECT
date_numFROM dbo.DatesTimes
Where class_num = 4;
Is it possible to make this more efficient or
elegant (i.e. professional)?
Adaryl
A lot of web sites have a next 'n' record feature.
Personally I find it annoying when I have 21,000 possible records to look at and
I have to wait 15 seconds so I can look at the next 10 search
results. I have a couple of pages where I let users view all the records in
a table. The most rec
As some of you might have noticed I am not a computer programmer by academic
training. Its something I did for fun that happened to pay really well. As a
result some of the newer web technologies fly right over my head. I have
read about XML but the only definition I can gleen is "it describes dat
According to the book the cfservlet tag is used in
conjunction with jrun. Anybody know if it is possible to use one of the open
source sevlet containers (like sevlet exec) with CF.
Adaryl
RDS has suddenly decided to stop working. When ever I try to log in I get a
remote server error message. I'm inclined to just reinstall the server to
try to fix the problem. Anybody care to advise against this course of action
(i.e. anybody got a better idea)?
Adaryl
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [KCFusion] reinstall
> I would check the user that RDS and/or the username that your using to be
> sure its not locked out.
>
> What is the error message ?
> ----- Original Messag
I wish to be able to give people their passwords
that they select for their accounts back to them so that they may print them out
and have them for reference in case they forget their password. I thought about
just outputting it back to them when they created their account
but that did not s
Well you have some missing cfoutput tags and some single quotes where there
should be double quotes and a missing closing cfif tag. I don't know if that
all matters but the biggest thing is that you were misusing the Mid()
function. The count argument is the number of chars to return. You had it
g
Greetings all!
I am busy setting up advanced security on the CF
server. The Advanced server administration book by Macromedia is woefully
inadequate in this area. Anybody have better ideas for a resource?
A.
Mind if I see a code snippet? I probably will not come with anything before
one of the others do but I always like trying.
A.
- Original Message -
From: "Richard Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] CFHTTP-uploading
Our accounting dept. uses Quickbooks. I am writing
an application that is going to potentially use some of the information that is
stored in Quickbooks namely vendor names and addresses. Is there anybody
familiar enough with Quickbooks to know if it is possible to get Quickbooks and
my CF ap
or how bout
INSERT INTO DetailTable
(Id, SeqId, Qty, InvId)
SELECT Id, SeqId, Qty, InvId
FROM WorkingTable
WHERE Id = '#form.Id#
> - Original Message -
From: "Keith Purtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "KCFusion (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:20 PM
Subject:
A I was wondering what that /cgi-bin/formmail.pl thing was that kept
showing up. What is that exactly and what are they after, and should I be
overly worried?
A.
- Original Message -
From: "Daryl Banttari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:36
Would you be willing to send us a code snippit? I am not quite sure i have a
handle on the problem.
A.
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From: "Keith Purtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "KCFusion (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:44 AM
Subject: [KCFusion] Parsing two lists
>
opps nevermind.
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- Original Message -
From: "Justin Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Parsing two lists
> listLen(form.ItemQty))>
>
>
> #listGetAt(form.ItemQty,i)# #listGetAt(form.Item,i)#
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ok a while back I was looking at implementing
advanced security for our intranet. Some one suggested that I get the book
Professional CF 5.0 which I did (and is a great resource btw) but it did not
cover what I really need to know about advanced security. I think I have
everything down as fa
Well we have been a pretty quite group lately. This
always seems to be a hot topic for discussion so I thought I would bring it
up.
1. Are we meeting next tues.?
2. Topics for discussion?
A.
The following sent to me personally. Not sure which one of you would handle
this.
A.
> Is there some way you can change the e-mail address where these messages
are
> being sent? The programmer that had this address, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", is
> no longer with the company. Can you - and if not you
(is this thing on?)
So I ran accross a problem the other day, solved it, but it is not the most
elegant solution I think. If anybody sees something cleaner right off I'd
much apprciate a reply. If not I would not attempt this while you are at
work.
The problem: We have knowlege base that is org
Always do this
> General 3 All people are not cool
> Specific1 Apples are red
>
> Chris
>
> --- Adaryl Wakefield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > (is this thing on?)
> > So I ran accross a problem the other day, solved it,
> > but
Im currently working on a project where im required
to generate pdf files on the fly. The first place I checked for help on
this is the macromedia tag gallery (or whatever it is called these days). I
found a good tag except the html files seem to lose their formatting when
converted to pdf.
The only method i'm aware of is to use then you can execute a query
off that. Looks like:
http://www.yoursite.net/foo.txt (<--should be quotes around
that)
name="grabTextFile"
delimiter=",">
Then you can output it just like a cfquery like so:
#grabTextFile.columnName#
Th
Is the RDS you are creating for a local machine? What are the settings you
are using? Or have you solved this by now?
A.
P.S. I have your same set up and I can create an RDS but I sometimes have
trouble if it is for localhost.
- Original Message -
From: "Johnson, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTE
Would somebody be cool enough to explain what co-location is off list?
Sorry guys I spend all day with social workers.
A.
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of Macromedia's Developer Exchange for ASP.net.
A.
I once saw a job announcement that said something
to the effect. "..no deletes on the database will be allowed. All deletes are
done via XML..." At the time I just raised my eyebrow and went on but now I'm
kinda curious if anybody can shed some light on what exactly they meant. I only
have a
ad-hoc design standards that
change
> >frequently I think the extra overhead of standardizing and separating the
> >layers adds significant complexity. However, I would love to hear from
> >those who have used this method in large, formal design groups. It may
be
> >the way to go.
e for anything but large, cross-platform projects. Instead of
> replacing simple queries with stored procedures, you can just use
> to get the same performance benefit (query plan reuse) in
> SQL
> Server or Oracle.
>
> --Daryl Banttari
> Macromedia
>
> - Origina
Out of curiosity why did you go to 5.0 insted of MX?
A.
- Original Message -
From: "Johnson, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-List (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:09 PM
Subject: [KCFusion] changes between cold fusion server 4.5 and 5.0
> can anyon
ion server 4.5 and 5.0
> funding i guess... i'm a gov't contractor.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adaryl Wakefield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 1:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [KCFusion] changes between cold f
Wow, I'm glad I'm not the first person to notice that job requirements were
a little outrageous. All this time I just thought it was my college
prospective.
A.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Purtell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 1:58 P
Huge ruckus broke out in one of my project groups yesterday. It was over the
definition of Boyce-Codd normal form.I know the definition is every
every determinate is a candidate key. We were going round and round about what
constitutes a determinate.I said if the table looked like this
mast
Hey guys look! Reasonable job requirements!!!
A.
- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Hartwich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: [KCFusion] ColdFusion Opening (Contract) in KC
> Contract CF Position, please contact recruiter below:
I had designed a table by where one attribute was
going to be occasionly set to null. One of the people in my work group said "No
thats bad. It takes up too much space" (ie memory) and proceeded to make a whole
other table to handle situations where that one attibute was going to be set to
n
rge
datatype.
-Original Message-----From: Adaryl Wakefield
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:54
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [KCFusion] actual
space
I had designed a table by where one attribute
was going to be occasionly set to null. One of t
I started to do some work this afternoon only to
disturbingly find all the system DSNs had magically vanished. When ever it
happened it happened over night so I can rule out my boss doing something
strange. We are running Win 2K server. Anybody encounter this
before?
A.
IP debug settings are gone and so are all the
directory security settings.
A.
I set it up so I get an email when ever one of my
apps tosses an error. Except it seems that #error.template# is not working. I
got that variable from a WROX professional book . Before I go digging around the
discussion boards anybody know off the top of their head what the right variable
is
re you getting an error of some sort? Or is it just not sending?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adaryl Wakefield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:40:32 -0600
>
> >I
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