Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-02-07 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Randy It would seem we have settled on area_fraction_of_day_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle, area_fraction_of_night_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle, and area_fraction_of_twilight_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle. These names and definitions look fine to me, if you think they'll serve your

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-14 Thread Randy Horne
Karl: Here is the first sentence in the definition of area_type: A variable with the standard name of area_type contains strings which indicate the nature of the surface e.g. land, sea, sea_ice. Assuming we want to be consistent with the examples in the definition and the existing

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-14 Thread Karl Taylor
Hi Randy, Yes, I agree it extends the meaning of area_type a bit, but I would think we could legitimately describe the nature of the surface as being sunlit or in darkness (covered by the darkness of night) or enjoying the last vestiges of daylight (i.e., twilight), so I don't think we

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-10 Thread Randy Horne
Dear Jonathan: good point on “area”. “twilight” is fine. I’m good with your preference of [a hybrid of (1) and (2) (i.e. area_fraction_of_night_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle, area_fraction_of_day_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle, area_fraction_of_twilight_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle)] very

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-10 Thread Karl Taylor
Dear Randy, Jonathan, and all, I agree that the hybrid choice with twilight rather than terminator, is clearest. Just to cover all the options (or maybe to revisit a suggestion I missed earlier), could new area_type(s) be defined -- day, night, twilight -- and then we could just use the

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-08 Thread Randy Horne
Dear Jonathan: All the options identified so far all have pros and cons. I’ll take a crack at a summary-level recap …. (1) add a type of area fraction consistent with current definition of existing area_fraction (i.e.. day_area_fracton, night_area_fraction,

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-08 Thread rho...@excaliburlabs.com
From: Randy Horne rho...@excaliburlabs.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 8:11 AM To: Jonathan Gregory j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk Cc: CF Metadata List cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions Dear

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-06 Thread John Graybeal
Area_fraction_with_solar_zenith_angle_within_stated_bounds ? On Jan 6, 2014, at 08:38, Jim Biard jbi...@cicsnc.org wrote: Hi, and Happy New Year! I tried writing out the definition repeatedly, making it more and more succinct, and came up with some possible names. The sequence went

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-06 Thread rho...@excaliburlabs.com
what about area_fraction_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle ? defined_by exists in a couple of other standard names. From: Jonathan Gregory j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 12:56 PM To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: [CF-metadata]

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-06 Thread Jim Biard
Jonathan, I agree with what you have said. I was trying to see if I found something that might be more succinct, and that was the direction my explorations took me. The only bone I have to pick with “as_a_function_of” is that I find it a bit confusing. In the case at hand, the name

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-06 Thread Jim Biard
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Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-06 Thread John Graybeal
what about area_fraction_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle ? That seems consistent with the other uses of defined_by, all of the sort ocean_mixed_layer_thckness_defined_by_Y. I prefer this to 'as a function of', for reasons Jim stated. It {stated bounds} should be implied by saying there is a

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-03 Thread Randy Horne
Jonathan: Thanks for taking the time to reply. Some of the algorithms that generate our level 2 products using hyper spectral observation data are sensitive to the solar zenith angle. For these products, variables capturing the percentage of the product image in day, night, and twilight

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-03 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Randy a single standard name of area_fraction_of_solar_zenith_angle is fine. This form could be useful for area fractions of other angles, such as platform zenith angle. Yes, true. If you're happy with it, then fine. As far as a definition goes, how about: fraction of horizontal

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-03 Thread Randy Horne
Dear Jonathan: RE: The first sentence is not clear to me. Does it mean, The fraction of the horizontal area where the solar zenith angle is within a specified range? Yes, that is what it means. Incorporating this more clear statement yields the following: area_fraction_of_solar_zenith_angle

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: day, night, and day/night terminator area_fractions

2014-01-03 Thread Karl Taylor
Hi all, I don't find area_fraction_of_solar_zenith_angle to be understandable and I'm not sure the phrase makes sense. I don't see how you can have an area of a solar zenith angle (or an area_fraction of an angle). One could also be misled into thinking this was somehow related to the