I agree in part on this conversation on the perceived value matter...
However, there is ample money to be made in customer service and support...
Why cant people understand that and create a sustainable model around it..
maybe offsite call support...
Additionally, an end of life product has some
Unless I miss wrote the e/m I did not say that there should be a multi-user
license version of the product.
What I wrote or MEANT to write (I will check later) was that there should be
a
training or learning version of Cold Fusion which could only be used to
learn the
program. It could not be
>Yes, it is true that Macromedia tends to be more cautious with details of
>future products than the old Allaire was. But in all fairness, there is
>information out there, and as soon as Neo is in beta they'll be a lot more.
FWIW, MM and Allaire were targets of investor law suits, many lawsuits,
>There's also a "Developer Edition", ie: a fully functioning version of
>ColdFusion 5 Enterprise with a strict single IP address access. I can't find
>where to download it though.
No actually there is not as far as I know. You can only get the developer
edition with the CFStudio. That has the 1
At 10:31 PM 12/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>so now 4.0 could be free or at least deeply discounted...
>creates new sales for dead products as well...
FWIW, that is something that a lot of software companies tried these many
years ago. It turns out to be a really bad call for the most part. It
can
>>One thing that I think Macromedia should do is to make a version for
learning that is either given away or sold for $99. This should be a
version that will have restrictions on the ability to do create web
applications that could be used on the internet. Such a program would only
be usabl
Thomas,
I'd listen to Andrew as he is completely correct.. Are you saying that you'd
like a multi-user
license version of a product that is only meant to run on a localhost?
Because realistically
that's all they can really do to stop people from placing a full-featured
application server
on a w
There is a lot more to life than to be such a complainer.
Maybe you are inhaling too much smoke from the raging
fires.
Anyway, have a good 2002.
At 12/31/2001, Andrew Scott wrote:
>Well then maybe you should see what happens after the trial then,
>because it becomes a single user license that w
Well then maybe you should see what happens after the trial then,
because it becomes a single user license that will do exactly as you
want it to do. Good for developing, playing, experimenting. If you have
not read this on the website then that is your bad luck!
Don't make a complaint about some
I know that it has a 30 day trail. This is not the same as
having a no limited time and functionality version for learning.
The software could be so designed so that it could not be
used for production.
My idea is that the more affordable the learning of CF the
more users and more future sales.
> what remains to be seen is whether Neo will offer any
> real advantages to the average developer
> doing Windows or Linux CF web sites or intranets.
How about the speed increase? From the public demos I've seen, that alone
will be worth it to *every* developer large or small.
Ken
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There are real advantages and I can't talk about them. REAL Advantages.
> I don't want to downplay the significance of code portability, but I th
ink
> that 95% of the _current_ customer base could probably care less. For
most
> folks running CF on a Windows platform, if you tell them they can n
I don't want to downplay the significance of code portability, but I think
that 95% of the _current_ customer base could probably care less. For most
folks running CF on a Windows platform, if you tell them they can now take
their code and run it on the platform of their choice, they're going to
I've dedicated the last 6.5 years of my life to CF and I'm not leaving an
y
time soon. Do I think CF is dead? No. Do I see it with a bright future? Y
es.
Have I listened to what has been said and shown about Neo? Yes and so sho
uld
you. The very fact that you'll be able to write cheap and fast CF
Doesn't CF become a single user version after 30 days if you don't license
it?
Not a bad way to teach oneself the fine art of cold fusion programming.
-- jon
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From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Su
Out of curiousity, what's the rush for NEO?
Does everything always have to be NEW AND IMPROVED?
(see Perl, for instance, which seems to evolve very slowly)
-- jon
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:29 PM
To: CF
Aha, that's because I'm using the Fusebox methodology...
http://www.fusebox.org. Attributes scope is used a lot, so that you can
call applications as custom tags in other applications.
"Kevin Raleigh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:<002d01c1919d$1c87f650$59d6fea9@krr>...
> Following yo
Perhaps a full version limited to 1 or 2 concurrent connections and
including it with all of the Macromedia discs would be nice too. Just
like Macromedia does now with all of their other offerings. If you buy
the Flash 5 CD, you get all of the demo's for DW, Fireworks and so on.
On the Neo page
Bud, we're promising compatibility, and things look good now. We do know
that they'll likely be some gotchas, and if this happens we'll provide a
utility that will analyze your code and point out any trouble spots before
you upgrade.
We're not kidding ourselves, we know that compatibility is an a
We discuss this all the time, and I will forward this thread as needed. We
started down this road a bit with CF Express (yes, I know what its
limitations were, etc.).
No, I am not making any commitments at all, but you should at least know
that this is being debated and discussed heavily.
--- Be
Hi Mike,
>I am embarking on a sub-project to allow suitably authorised users to input
>events to my web site, to be displayed a month before the event happens, and
>automatically deleted after the event is over. I want the users to be able
>to put in an event as being held on a specific date, w
Jochem,
Yes, it is true that Macromedia tends to be more cautious with details of
future products than the old Allaire was. But in all fairness, there is
information out there, and as soon as Neo is in beta they'll be a lot more.
Between the DevCon presentation (which is online in its entirety),
Following your thread More regexp madness...
I wasn't able to ascertain why the attributes notation was needed.
Could you enlighten?
>>
>>
>>>ugly,"","ALL")>
any insight would be appreciated
Thank You
Kevin
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:17:44 -0700
From: Andre Turrettini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj
Mike I am not sure I understand it, but wouldn't it be easier to store
the creation date, then the type of event (weekly, monthly etc) then do
a routine check on the DB to see if the date has passed and not pull it
out.
CF has many date functions that will allow the ability to get the day of
the
I am embarking on a sub-project to allow suitably authorised users to input
events to my web site, to be displayed a month before the event happens, and
automatically deleted after the event is over. I want the users to be able
to put in an event as being held on a specific date, weekly, every t
With CF 5, you have to have CF Studio installed to 'legally' use the dev ve
rsion. This sucks because you have to buy a $500 dollar editor to get it.
Also, CF Express is a joke. You can learn the very basics of CF but that is
it.
CT
-- Original Message
30 days is not enough to truly learn something.
I can install PHP,ASP,or JSP for free and truly learn them.
I can install the trial and only get to use it for 30days and most likely m
ost people would not get to use it for all 30 days.
Don't get me wrong, I love CF and that is what I use the
There's also a "Developer Edition", ie: a fully functioning version of
ColdFusion 5 Enterprise with a strict single IP address access. I can't find
where to download it though.
ColdFusion Express is also still available at:
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From: Marius Milosav
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 12/30/01 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: JRun Connector Proxy requ
The problem was fixed by re installing CF
Pretty strange. It's working now so it's OK
Marius Milosav
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www.scorpiosoft.com/vicodemo/login.cfm
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From: "Marius Milosa
Thomas, CF already has a 30 day trial!!
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From: Thomas Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 31 December 2001 9:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Long Live Cold Fusion and...
Long live Cold Fusion.
One thing that I think Macromedia should do is to make a version for
On 12/30/01, Ben Forta penned:
>Oh, and just to make it perfectly clear, in Neo you'll write CF as you do
>now. You'll have other features and technologies available to you too, but
>if you want to write CF as you do in CF5 (and earlier) you'll be able to.
>The ease of use, the minimal learning cu
price is just one portion of the argument.
It is hard to say where a companies needs fit... I find often that a company
might require a feature of the Professional or Enterprise type versions, but
not need to utilize the rest.
I suppose one thing Macromedia might do is better situate the offerin
I figured that might be the case. However, I frequently hear $4500 price
referenced as though that were the cheapest option. When pushed on the
point, those quoting it rarely come up with a reason that they actually need
the Enterprise version rather than the Pro version.
Can I ask what specific
> How many of those 10,000 people actually *need* the $4500 Enterprise
> version?
Well how many would purchase it whether they needed it or not if it was 1
500
for ent version + studio??
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From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sen
Well I was speaking of enterprise, which is what I use.
You would obviously adjust the price accordingly dependant upon which
version was being sold.
Doug
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From: "Ken Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:07
> If they reduce the cost of CF server and bundle in
> studio for lets say $1500.00
A quick check over at CDW shows:
Macromedia ColdFusion Server 5 Professional = $1,157.67
Macromedia ColdFusion Studio 5 = $439.38
Total Package Price = $1,597.05
>What makes more sense, make $4500 from 1000
Long live Cold Fusion.
One thing that I think Macromedia should do is to make a version for
learning
that is either given away or sold for $99. This should be a version that
will have
restrictions on the ability to do create web applications that could be used
on the internet. Such a program
Howie Hamlin wrote:
> Neo information is here:
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/resources/neo/
And what is there that wasn't there a month ago? Or two months?
Jochem
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>Oh, and just to make it perfectly clear, in Neo you'll write CF as you do
>now. You'll have other features and technologies available to you too, but
>if you want to write CF as you do in CF5 (and earlier) you'll be able to.
>The ease of use, the minimal learning curve, the rapid development - no
Neo information is here:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/resources/neo/
Regards,
Howie
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From: "Jochem van Dieten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: death of coldfusion
> Ben For
Spend some time in the GoldMine developers newsgroups. They make a few
cross platform objects now that help you keep the data in their complicated
db schema "synched" if accessing the data thru the "FrontRange/GoldMine"
supplied server objects.
That way if you munge your or your clients data - t
Ben Forta wrote:
>
> I also think that part of the frustration expressed on the Forums is
> frustration at the current economic situation in general.
And frustration with Macromedia in partcular :)
Why is there no information on Neo? Sure there was something presented
at the DevCon, but crea
Agreed. I believe that with the merger of Allaire and Macromedia, that CF
will become alot more mainstream than what it currently is. Macromedia ha
s a
huge markershare of products for web development and more people are goi
ng
to be introduced to it through Macromedia than what it would have bee
Mark,
They may be part of it. Or not. Either way it needs to be taken in context -
there are far more questions from absolute beginners looking for initial
help on the Forums then there are posting from doomsayers - that definitely
says that folks are not just still using CF, they are also first
create a batch file like this...
net stop "Cold Fusion RDS"
net stop "Cold Fusion Executive"
net stop "Cold Fusion Application Server"
net start "Cold Fusion Application Server"
net start "Cold Fusion Executive"
net start "Cold Fusion RDS"
exit
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Davids
Paris,
You'll be seeing and hearing lots of this as Neo is closer to shipping -
stay tuned.
Oh, and just to make it perfectly clear, in Neo you'll write CF as you do
now. You'll have other features and technologies available to you too, but
if you want to write CF as you do in CF5 (and earlier)
We get this message on one particular server, when we tried to display
pages with graphs.
The only difference that I can see between this server and others where
cfgraph works fine is the OS.
Windows 2000 (dosn't work) WindowsNT 4 works
Both with CF 5.0 Enterprise
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Ma
It would seem that Macromedia especially (along with some good people at
former Allaire) have leaned quite a bit towards Java... Especially with the
Jrun acquisition and similar peaked interests, a lot of non-Java programmers
explainably have got the willies :)
I am in Pittsburgh and Cold Fusion
On 12/29/01 4:30 PM Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote:
> yes it's possible. You can use DBase drivers (not good) or you can upgra
> de
> goldmine to SQL and do it that way. If you can figure out Goldmines rath
> er
> difficult Primary key schema you can make it happen. There are a lot of
> folks doin
Wow.
Matt Brown wrote:
>ColdFusion is NOT dying in the least. It is doing quite well and now has
>the largest team assigned to it ever in the history of Macromedia.
>
>Even more than the DW/UD teams combined.
>
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Does anyone know of a Tag or a program done in Cold Fusion that helps
set up an link exchange system.
Thanks
HB
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Yes as a matter of fact,
look up the tag.
-chris.alvarado
[application developer]
4|Guys Interactive, Inc
>From: "Bill Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Stopping/Starting/Restarting services.
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:04
It's just the microsoft lovers trying to stir things up, this happens like
once every 6 months. Be reasonable and ask yourself would you really kill a
language that is growing this fast in popularity that is more effective than
the other languages out there? (thats my opinion, I think cf is much b
Matt Brown wrote:
> ColdFusion is NOT dying in the least. It is doing quite well and now has
> the largest team assigned to it ever in the history of Macromedia.
>
> Even more than the DW/UD teams combined.
>
> CF is a superb solution and hits a slightly different segment of the market
> from
I know about the net commands, but is there a way to call a .bat from CF?
Probably something small I've missed as I've never needed it before.
-Bill
www.brainbox.tv
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From: "David Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 30,
ColdFusion is NOT dying in the least. It is doing quite well and now has
the largest team assigned to it ever in the history of Macromedia.
Even more than the DW/UD teams combined.
CF is a superb solution and hits a slightly different segment of the market
from ASP and JSP and PHP. Consequentl
create a batch file that uses the net stop and net start commands for each
cf service.
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:54 AM
Subject: Stopping/Starting/Restarting services.
> Anyone have
No I was disturbed by the amount of people saying they lost or couldn't find
coldfusion jobs because companies weren't using them.
My impression was that .NET was going to be free, just not the development
tools AKA visual studio.
-Craig
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From: "Jochem van Dieten" <[
We have a tag on our downloads page (cfx_servicecontrol). It's freeware:
http://www.coolfusion.com/Downloads.cfm
HTH,
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On-Line Data Solutions, Inc. - www.CoolFusion.com - 631-737-4668 x101
inFusion Mail Server (iMS) - The Intelligent Mail Server
<<< V
Anyone have an easy way to have CF stop/start/restart NT services? I saw
one CFX tag in the Allaire tag gallery, but it isn't available for download.
Thanks.
-Bill
www.brainbox.tv
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Cameron and Ron,
Thanks for the replies. I was afraid of that. I was thinking about the
hotmail
way, just put the locations of the uploaded files into a list and track this
list through a session variable or something. I think that is possible and
than loop through the list and make a cfparam fo
Fregas wrote:
> I'm sure this has been discussed before on here but its appearance on
> allaire forums has me disturbed.
Why?
Frankly, I would be much more disturbed if it was censored there.
Jochem
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