Wow, that sounds amazingly like how I interpret and use the Fusebox method.
Maybe it has changed since you last looked or maybe your just a closet
Fuseboxer who didn't even know it. :)
Ken
> Before I respond to that perhaps I should revisit fusebox.org and refresh
> myself on who's behind it.
I'm developing an application similar to this. It's basically fusebox,
except each folder implicitly defines one fuseaction. URLs pass needed
parameters a la:
/HL/LL/index.cfm/AL.#REQUEST.alpha#/HD.#REQUEST.hdg_id#
Thus, /HL/LL/index.cfm defines the fuseaction, AL & HD are parameters, and
#R
> >Actually it turns me off for specifically because it does use this
> >old
> > > outmoded monolithic view of the things. I prefer a more
> > encapsulated object-based way of coding.
>
> I'd be quite interested to hear how you are doing this. If you had
> time to post a few, even nonworking samp
> A question I've had about Fusebox and security/stability. In
> some enterprise sites I've dealt with I've found it a good
> practice not to pass variables along the URL if possible. It
> becomes very easy for someone to "break" the app by altering
> URLs - something they actually have access
I don't believe this is the WHOLE point of
fusebox. It isn't even the PRIMARY reason
I use Fusebox.
best, paul
At 04:05 AM 9/20/00 -0700, you wrote:
>You know the whole point of fusebox is to reuse code right? If you are
>duplicating code, you are not implementing fusebox correctly.
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> > that you post (e.g.., "If you can afford SQL Server, you can
> > afford its own box").
Can you even believe that I am still harping on this?
> In all honesty - today. This morning. I was reviewing a Fusebox
application,
> to fix some problems within that application. I'm familiar with the ba
ped me in my development career.
Sean Renet
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> Sean
>
I don't believe Fusebox to be the methodology to use for all application
development. What I have found though, is that Fusebox is good within large
teams (where you may be using contractors) where long-term maintenance of
code is required when you may not be able to refer back to a developer. It
at is
Fusebox)
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> read read read :o)
Is there *anyon
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>Fusebox is a decent methodology. CFObjects and
Generation
>www.eagletgi.com
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Sean
You do have a point, I have not used the Fusebox technique in a
while... I imagine there new techniques.
At 12:34 PM -0700 9/19/00, Sean Renet wrote:
>Dick, I think you need to spend a bit of time looking at new techniques that
>are being used in fusebox. I have similar logic solutions in
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call on thee (was: What is Fusebox)
-- Reply to Dave Watts.
>From Dave Watts' message:
> a) using Fusebox
> 1. index.cfm?fuseaction=left_nav
> 2. index.cfm?fuseaction=main
> 3. index.cfm?fuseaction=cmd_frame
> 4. index.cfm?fuseaction=data_frame
> 5. index.cfm?fuseactio
meron Childress
ElliptIQ Inc.
p.770.460.7277.232
f.770.460.0963
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>From Dave Watts' message:
> a) using Fusebox
> 1. index.cfm?fuseaction=left_nav
> 2. index.cfm?fuseaction=main
> 3. index.cfm?fuseaction=cmd_frame
> 4. index.cfm?fuseaction=data_frame
> 5. index.cfm?fuseaction=socket_frame
A question I've had about Fusebox and security/stability. In some
enterp
First:
Naughty naughty!!!
I encountered the exact same scenario my main frameset had
a frame to display people in a 'chat room' the left nav,
the main frame is the main data display frame
the command frame is where you type in stuff to send to
the room, the 'socket frame' is the one that act
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>I would have crippled as a
> > programmer when I moved from a Fusebox to a non-Fusebox
> environment. Never mind, I probably wouldn't have gotten the
> "non-Fusebox" job to begin with because my programming skills would
> have reflected the
> result
#x27;t see replacing it for anything.
Duane
eMPower Project Manager
Ektron, Inc
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> Subj
Warning! This is a very long and verbose response. If you're not interested
in the topic, ignore this message. Remember, I warned you!
> You know, I think you guys at Figleaf set the standard for what
> client interface should be and your applications are certainly
> the goal of programmers eve
Fusebox is a decent methodology. CFObjects and SmartObjects are pretty
cool too. However, since we're talking about structure, let's discuss
learning/teaching a language. I feel that it's extremely important to
separate language from methodology.
If teaching [insert your favorite methodology
Sean, your last response to Dave Watts ... Is there a chance could
forward that to me. I wanted to print it out and read it more closely,
however, I accidently deleted it.
Thanks.
/mdeane
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>Jeremy Allen
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Jeremy you are wrong, see my reply to Dave regarding dynamic frames.
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> > methodology only serves one camp, while the rest of us would be
> only annoyed by having to try and use the examples in our own
> devlopment implementation. Seems better to write books on how CF
> works a
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Jeremy you are wrong, see my reply to Dave regarding dynamic frames.
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> At 10:39 AM -0400 9/19/00, Dave Watts wrote:
> >
> >At Fig Leaf, our goals are
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Dave,
You know, I think you guys at Figleaf set the standard for what client
interface should be and your applications are certainly the goal of
programmers everywhere. I also like the thought process behind what you
guys do. And I can't imagine there is anyone that does not appreciate all
the
> And by the way - I can code a site in the Fusebox style
> faster than you can code it straight any day of the week.
> And I know the other Fusebox coders would say the same.
There are two problems with your proposition.
1. Faster != better.
You may be able to code something faster, but that
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>Actually it turns me off for specifically because it does use this
>old
> > outmoded monolithic view of the things. I prefer a more
> encapsulated object-based way of coding.
I'd be quite interested to hear how you are doing this. If you had
time to
Monoliths will be all the rage next year :-)
Howie
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I don't think it would change the way CF was viewed, or revolutionize
CF or anything. But it sure would make maintaining other people's
code easier :) And in my experience it forces people to develop in a
little more structured and thought-out of a ma
> There are many things about the Fusebox "standard"
> that I don't like, and don't use. However, the idea of channeling every
> page request through ONE handler file (index.cfm) is a fantastic idea
> which has made my life easier not only in Cold Fusion but in Perl CGI
> programming as well. It m
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>At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build
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I'm sorry, but since when was Front Page or any other WYSIWYG editor
considered a "high-level" development tool?
And by the way -
vice or wire malfunctions, the
fuse cuts the power.)
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> I personally think it has major advantages when there is more than one of
> you working on a site. It's also extremely good when Client
> requirements are
&
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>At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build CF-centric applications, but n-tier
>applications. We partition application logic between the application server
>(CF), the database, the client, and potentially object tiers between the
>application server and
> Is there *anyone* who doesn't like Fusebox!? Certainly seems
> that way..
Sure there is. Personally, I don't use Fusebox, and I'm unlikely to use it
for future projects. I don't know that I'd say I don't "like" it, but it
certainly doesn't fit within my development process, nor that of Fig Le
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No disrespect to Ben, but there are at least two books on fusebox coming out
and I'
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Yes, I believe there are people who
orta, I call on thee (was: What is
> Fusebox)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 2:26 AM
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> Fu
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> fusebox.org
> read read read :o)
Is there *anyone* wh
fusebox.org
read read read :o)
-Mark
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> I want to learn Fusebox from the be
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I want to learn Fusebox from the beginning. Where to start??
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Ben, my challenge to thou art
No disrespect to Ben, but there are at least two books on fusebox coming out
and I'm quite sure at least one of them will cover what you want. This has
been talked about more on the Fusebox list.
> Ben, my challenge to thou art:
>
> Develop a book in ColdFusion (either 4.5 or the upcoming 5 relea
Ben, my challenge to thou art:
Develop a book in ColdFusion (either 4.5 or the upcoming 5 release) that is entirely
re-written using fusebox examples (or at least a similair technique). Let's start off
the beginners as the awesome developers that they have the potential to be!
Imagine what
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