To: CF-Talk
Sent: Mon Jul 31 04:28:07 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
That is not what we are saying! The fact here is that you say there is no
way to tell if an email fails - and we know there is - both at server level
and code.
What more do you need to tell that an email fails? it is all
Yes, that's correct.
Damon
Hi Damon,
Actually my question was upgrading from CFMX 6.1 to 7.02.
Can I just download CFMX 7.02 from the Adobe, upgrade my CFMX 6.1 server and
then buy an upgrade license on line and apply it?
Thanks
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From: Denny Valliant
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Jul 30 03:14:58 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Ditto, Rick! And workarounds are usually the easiest features to
implement!
You
This is detailed in the 7.0.2 FAQ, but since many folks don't read docs
anymore :)
That's correct: download or buy CF7 (online or CD/box) and you'll now get the
7.0.2 full installer. CF 7.0.0 is no longer available for sale or download
(except perhaps in older box copies in stock in
Hi Damon,
Actually my question was upgrading from CFMX 6.1 to 7.02.
Can I just download CFMX 7.02 from the Adobe, upgrade my CFMX 6.1 server and
then buy an upgrade license on line and apply it?
Thanks
On 7/30/06, dcooper @ macromedia. com dcooper @ macromedia. com
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On 7/30/06, Victor Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Damon,
Actually my question was upgrading from CFMX 6.1 to 7.02.
Can I just download CFMX 7.02 from the Adobe, upgrade my CFMX 6.1 server
and
then buy an upgrade license on line and apply it?
I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
That is not what we are saying! The fact here is that you say there is no
way to tell if an email fails - and we know there is - both at server level
and code.
What more do you need to tell that an email fails? it is all their for you.
ColdFusion is 10 years old and this is probably that most
-ps just be sure you download the trail and not the developer
edition, in case that makes a difference.
It doesn't.
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Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
Thanks Jochen; I am not familiar with shared hosting and to be honest I
forgot about spooling!
The only involvement I have with shared hosting is that I run one :) Anything
in the undeliverable folder gets parsed and if the programmer has bothered to
code a
OK then . I give up. There is nothing about any aspect of ColdFusion
that could possibly be improved.
Waste of time suggesting anything. The fact that I spend a
significant amount of my time helping my clients work through CFMAIL
problems is probably only fantasy on my part.
What a bunch of
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From: Mike Kear
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Jul 29 15:33:57 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
OK then . I give up. There is nothing about any aspect of ColdFusion
that could possibly be improved.
Waste of time suggesting anything. The fact that I spend a
significant amount of my time helping my
Mike Kear wrote:
OK then . I give up. There is nothing about any aspect of ColdFusion
that could possibly be improved.
Waste of time suggesting anything. The fact that I spend a
significant amount of my time helping my clients work through CFMAIL
problems is probably only fantasy on my
Yep. SIlly me. I've been coding ColdFusion for only 9 years.
I have more than 40 clients building web sites on my system. I build
sites for other clients on their systems too. In all, over the last 9
years I've worked on self-hosted systems and shared hosting systems.
In fact I think i've
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From: Mike Kear
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Jul 29 17:14:18 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Yep. SIlly me. I've been coding ColdFusion for only 9 years.
I have more than 40 clients building web sites on my system. I build
sites for other clients
to handle it on its own and not with workarounds.
Just some thoughts...
Rick
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From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Yep. SIlly me. I've been coding ColdFusion for only 9 years.
I
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From: Rick Faircloth
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Jul 29 18:07:14 2006
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
From somewhat of an outsider's perspective on this discussion...
Usually the problems for which workarounds have to be developed
become features
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Indeed, and it makes you wonder why that, such a significant problem has
not
been addressed in earlier editions
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From: Josh Nathanson
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Jul 29 19:19:56 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Regards cfmail, I would imagine the lack of error checking has something to
do with the balance between speed and usability
a
significant issue, as Mike is saying, then CF should be enhanced
to handle it on its own and not with workarounds.
Just some thoughts...
Rick
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From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Jul 30 03:14:58 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Ditto, Rick! And workarounds are usually the easiest features to implement!
You KNOW what you want, or expect, or whatnot. No need for votes, etc.
CFMAIL has had issues for ages, it constantly killed my server, with
CF 5
06:10:11 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
I would like to see some better email debugging. At the moment
there's none. You fill out a form, click submit, then wait .. and
wait .. and wait .. and eventually conclude that your email isnt going
to arrive.
Then with nothing to go on except
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Sent: Fri Jul 28 02:45:33 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Yes, the feature being asked for is automatic CFC introspection within
CFEclipse.
On 7/27/06, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
I thought ColdFusion introspects now
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From: Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Fri Jul 28 00:42:26 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
I thought ColdFusion introspects now? According to the CFC Explorer it
does..
The IDE doesn't
The ability to store CFMAIL messages in the application that actually generated
them. A boon when on a shared server they keep changing email settings for.
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From: Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Fri Jul 28 08:12:59 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
The ability to store CFMAIL messages in the application that actually
generated them. A boon when on a shared server they keep changing
And yes, Mark Drew and company are working on this feature...
Cutter
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Brian Kotek wrote:
Yes, the feature being asked for is automatic CFC introspection within
CFEclipse.
On 7/27/06, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
On Friday 28 July 2006 14:53, Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
And yes, Mark Drew and company are working on this feature...
\o/
Introspection and refactoring support are about all I miss in CFEclipse and
CFML over Idea and Java.
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From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
I would like to see some better email
Ryan, Terrence wrote:
Can't this particular issue be resolved if you use the existing failto
attribute of CFMAIL?
No, failto only works if the email is accepted by the local SMTP server.
If the mail doesn't get accepted by the SMTP server, it just goes into
coldfusion's undelivr folder.
Yeah, peeps forget that Adobe/MM are not Microsoft and their
resources are a
piss in the ocean compared to larger software/corporate houses
I read recently that Adobe is now the world's 3rd largest software
company, after buying Macromedia. So they have a lot more resources
than you
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From: Munson, Jacob
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Fri Jul 28 17:25:17 2006
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
Yeah, peeps forget that Adobe/MM are not Microsoft and their
resources
Really? Largest as in employees or in revenue? I think with
Microsoft is
that they literally throw money at resources - they know what they are
doing. It may be the 3rd largest in it's sector I suppose.
Well, I tried to find where I read that, but couldn't find it. Anyway,
usually when I
If you have not yet seen this, check it out. Not that this is an official Adobe
survey, but if there's a huge developer call for some specific features, then
it may have an effect. It has in the past:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=354942405396
Michael Dinowitz
President: House of Fusion
That a pretty good survey even though I don't know what some of the items are.
I am sure over at Sean Corfield's blog there was a lot of other
abilities mentioned (when will we finally get a cfimage tag?!)
I wonder if the CF team will read those...
And yes.. I am working on CFC refactoring and
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
If you have not yet seen this, check it out. Not that this is an official
Adobe survey, but if there's a huge developer call for some specific
features, then it may have an effect. It has in the past:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=354942405396
I filled it out.
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To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thu Jul 27 19:53:14 2006
Subject: CF 8 feature survey
If you have not yet seen this, check it out. Not that this is an official
Adobe survey, but if there's a huge developer call for some specific
features, then it may have an effect. It has in the past:
http
Hey Adobe, how about integrating updater one and updater 2?
Thanks
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From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
If you have not yet seen this, check it out
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From: Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thu Jul 27 20:03:35 2006
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
That a pretty good survey even though I don't know what some of the items
are.
I am sure over at Sean Corfield's blog there was a lot of other
abilities
I think you were supposed to type that in the little text box at the
bottom of the survey. :
~Brad
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From: loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
Hey Adobe, how about integrating updater one
Already done, and on the download page for the updater.
Just making sure it gets out there.
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From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
I think you were supposed to type
Isn't that what CF 7.0.2 does?
On 7/27/06, loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Adobe, how about integrating updater one and updater 2?
Thanks
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
Isn't that what CF 7.0.2 does?
On 7/27/06, loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Adobe, how about integrating updater one and updater
Nope.
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From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
Yep
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:27 PM
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From: loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
Nope.
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From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
Nope.
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From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
Yep
Yep :P
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From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
To be a little more... verbose.
You have to install 7.0.1 before you install 7.0.2 or you get an
annoying error about
On Jul 27, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Mark Drew wrote:
That a pretty good survey even though I don't know what some of the
items are.
FYI the Mustang support option I'm guessing is related to Java 1.6
subbed Mustang. I *hope* this would also include full support for
Java 1.5?
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On Jul 27, 2006, at 4:41 PM, loathe wrote:
If you do a clean CF 7 install (my disk is just 7 no updates) you
have to
download and install both the updaters. It would be a lot easier
if I could
download the one updater and install it and get the benefits of both.
It *really* irks me when
connections.
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From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
On Jul 27, 2006, at 4:41 PM, loathe wrote:
If you do a clean CF 7 install (my disk is just 7 no updates) you
have
Problem is, of course, that you can't use them in shared environments where
createObject() is disabled of course, but still. Something like that would
seem to be really low priority for Adobe.
Maybe that should be the focus. Someway that these types of features could be
accessed with
It *really* irks me when *any* software is like that. When
you do a fresh download it should be bundled with all of the
updates publicly available to that point, there's no excuse
other than corporate laziness to do otherwise.
s/corporate laziness/limited QA resources
I would much rather
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
It *really* irks me when *any* software is like that. When
you do a fresh download it should be bundled with all of the
updates publicly available to that point, there's no excuse
other
If you do a clean CF 7 install (my disk is just 7 no updates)
you have to download and install both the updaters. It would
be a lot easier if I could download the one updater and
install it and get the benefits of both.
They do provide a 7.0.2 installer, for people who haven't installed 7
+1
Something like Windows Update or the Adobe Software Updaters would be
awesome.
M!ke
-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF 8 feature survey
On Jul 27, 2006, at 4:41 PM, loathe wrote
I can't use it with most of my clients, just the approved disk.
Also, who wants to DL 300+ megs of crap when you only need 100+ megs of
crap?
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature
Also, who wants to DL 300+ megs of crap when you only need 100+ megs of
crap?
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From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thu Jul 27 22:17:18 2006
Subject: RE: CF 8 feature survey
It *really* irks me when *any* software is like that. When
you do a fresh download
So, if I upgrade a server from CFMX 6.1 I will be safe applying only 7.02 ?
Thanks
Victor
On 7/27/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you do a clean CF 7 install (my disk is just 7 no updates)
you have to download and install both the updaters. It would
be a lot easier if I could
So, if I upgrade a server from CFMX 6.1 I will be safe
applying only 7.02 ?
If you have the full 7.0.2 installer, as opposed to the updater, I guess so.
Honestly, I really don't know for sure, since almost all the installations I
work with use the multi-server version, which isn't upgradeable
I can't use it with most of my clients, just the approved disk.
But you can install the updater? That just doesn't make sense to me, but
then again I'm not a government security guy. Couldn't you just call it an
updater, and install it anyway in that case?
Also, who wants to DL 300+ megs of
Thanks Dave,
I think I will take the safe path and install, 7 then 7.01 and then 7.02
/r
Victor
On 7/27/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, if I upgrade a server from CFMX 6.1 I will be safe
applying only 7.02 ?
If you have the full 7.0.2 installer, as opposed to the updater, I
Or enhance the sandbox security to let the CFAdministrator allow only
certain classes, by the full class names you'd use in the createObject
call (e.g., allow com.companyname.class1, org.apache.xerces, etc).
On 7/27/06, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Problem is, of course, that you can't
That's what I thought too...
Raymond Camden wrote:
Isn't that what CF 7.0.2 does?
On 7/27/06, loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Adobe, how about integrating updater one and updater 2?
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Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
I thought ColdFusion introspects now? According to the CFC Explorer it
does..
The IDE doesn't.
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You mean you have to install Updater 2 *AFTER* Updater 1.
I thought you meant integrating updater 1 and 2 into the base CF
install, which they have done. When you do a clean install, it includes
updaters 1 and 2.
Rick
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On 7/27/06, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
I thought ColdFusion introspects now? According to the CFC Explorer it
does..
The IDE doesn't.
Ugh. I _HATE_ Adobe's software updaters.
I'm learning PHP in preparation for the day that Adobe drives me over the
edge. Ah, how I yearn for the Allaire days...
On 7/27/06, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1
Something like Windows Update or the Adobe Software Updaters would be
I would like to see some better email debugging. At the moment
there's none. You fill out a form, click submit, then wait .. and
wait .. and wait .. and eventually conclude that your email isnt going
to arrive.
Then with nothing to go on except the assumption that your email didnt
work, you
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