On 4/20/06, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Remember our class that provides this looks like this
class Order ActiveRecord::Base
end
I could also do this
Order.find_by_state(Virginia)
Note that I'm not adding that method to the code. It just gets figured
out. I can
Thanks John,
Yer on my hit list for when I can find some time to play with it more...I'll
have loads of questionsfor now it's back to paying work ;-)
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
: Ruby (on Rails) vs Coldfusion
On 4/19/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't want to use the command prompt. It's clunky, outdated and a pain
to
get around. I'm enough of a visual person that it makes FAR more sense (to
ME) to use a visual interface to do things.
Then use RadRails
Subject: Re: Ruby (on Rails) vs Coldfusion
On 4/19/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow...
What a great conversation!
Here's what I want to accomplish in my testing of RoR. I want to be able
to
view the parsed files in my local dev setup, currently using XAMPP.
Not sure what you
Remember our class that provides this looks like this
class Order ActiveRecord::Base
end
I could also do this
Order.find_by_state(Virginia)
Note that I'm not adding that method to the code. It just gets figured
out. I can do this too
Order.find_by_state_and_firstname(Virginia,Bob)
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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ruby (on Rails) vs Coldfusion
Remember our class that provides this looks like this
class Order ActiveRecord::Base
end
I could also do this
Order.find_by_state(Virginia)
Note that I'm not adding that method
I love Coldfusion and don't plan on moving away from it. But I'd like to see
what all the fuss is about Ruby, and specifically Ruby on Rails.
Does anyone have a good comparison of the two? I don't currently use any
named frameworks, but I have developed a way of coding that seems to work
for me.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:49 PM
Does anyone have a good comparison of the two?
Not really. I was looking forward to Mr Corfield's insights after he
mentioned he was taking a look at it, but he's presumably
Basically with Ruby it comes down to this (in my short investigation of itI
stopped because it is NOT the Holy Grail)
It does lots of stuff for you...right up until it needs to something different
then the default...then you are right back writing custom code to make your
something
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
Basically with Ruby it comes down to this (in my short investigation of
itI
stopped because it is NOT the Holy Grail)
It does lots of stuff for you...right up until it needs to something
different
then the default...then you are right back writing custom
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:19 PM
It does lots of stuff for you...right up until it needs to something
different then the default...then you are right back writing custom
code to make your something
I thought that same way until I really got into creating some applications
with it. To me it's unbelievable how much stuff is available in that
framework. I think where most people get hung up is on comparing Rails to
CF. Rails is a framework that provides a lot of functionality for you.
Ruby,
You mean if the scaffolds don't do what you need? Or are you talking
about its various classes? Of course you're going to have to hand-code
something, this isn't Visual Basic ;-)
Speaking in very general terms Damien.
Simple examplewant to check that the start date is before the end
Hey Bryan, not to pick on your or anything :)
On 4/19/06, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Basically with Ruby it comes down to this (in my short investigation of
itI
stopped because it is NOT the Holy Grail)
So just because it's not the Holy Grail it isn't useful? Does
On 4/19/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyway, if anyone has input on this topic, I'd love to hear it. I tried
getting RoR running on my local dev machine and was immediately turned off
by the fact that you have to do so much work using the command prompt.
Have
the RoR developers
That's it you blaspheming frood, you're off to the Frogstar and into the
Total Perspective Vortex!
You know, I tried to get into an evaluation of RoR, but from the initial
setup to building a couple of apps, it just felt off somehow. It may be
great, but it's one of those things, similar to
Don't make me read Vogon poetry to you!
I can totally understand. At first I was like where in the hell are my
application variables? and I realized later that the structure of
programming is way different. And as for feeling off.that's kinda the
way I feel about ASP.net 2.0. It looks
On 4/19/06, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Basically with Ruby it comes down to this (in my short investigation of
itI
stopped because it is NOT the Holy Grail)
It does lots of stuff for you...right up until it needs to something different
then the default...then you are
I tried getting RoR running on my local dev machine and was
immediately turned off by the fact that you have to do so much
work using the command prompt. Have the RoR developers never
heard of a web browser?
Why would you *develop* in a web browser? I assume that you realize
Rails *only*
Wow...
What a great conversation!
Here's what I want to accomplish in my testing of RoR. I want to be able to
view the parsed files in my local dev setup, currently using XAMPP. I really
would prefer NOT having to start the Ruby server, just a preference there I
guess. The whole point of me
So just because it's not the Holy Grail it isn't useful? Does that infer CF
is the Holy Grail :)
No...just saying RoR ain't all it's being hyped up to beit may be useful to
youbut so far...not to me.
Or you could just extend those base classes to do the kinds of things you
want it
Subject: Re: Ruby (on Rails) vs Coldfusion
I tried getting RoR running on my local dev machine and was
immediately turned off by the fact that you have to do so much
work using the command prompt. Have the RoR developers never
heard of a web browser?
Why would you *develop* in a web browser
don't like plural table names?
ActiveRecord::base.pluralize_table_names=false in environment.rb
want to override a table name?
class someTable ActiveRecord::Base
set_table_name some_crazy_table_name
end
Now that I'm finished blowing Coke out my nose
Are you seriously saying those
On 4/19/06, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
don't like plural table names?
ActiveRecord::base.pluralize_table_names=false in environment.rb
want to override a table name?
class someTable ActiveRecord::Base
set_table_name some_crazy_table_name
end
Now that I'm finished
it's not amazing, but in the model you would add
def validate
errors.add(:start_date,should be earlier than end_date) unless
start_date.nil? || start_date end_date
end
Exactlyright back to custom coding.
So although that is a hair less code than the equivalent in CFit's not so
And one big plus -- CF works on Windows *far* better than Rails. Rails
is a *pain* to configure with stability and performance on Windows.
Well, considering that windows servers are a nightmare (/servers/, not
desktops), Rails is on the right track. Sorry, I had to say it. ;)
jake heads back
Are you saying that Ruby (and hence RoR) is a strictly typed language?
That's enough to turn me off right there...
-Original Message-
From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM
I thought that same way until I really got into creating
yeah, it is custom coding, but isn't all your business logic going to be
custom code? What if you are required to have a start date, but your end
date could be open ended. There's really not an easy way to automate that
kind of logic.
Rails can make that kind of code easier I believe. Say you
not at all, it's dynamically typed, this would be valid
x=hello
x=1
y=x
y.to_s = 1
On 4/19/06, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying that Ruby (and hence RoR) is a strictly typed language?
That's enough to turn me off right there...
-Original Message-
From:
With the exception of the adding a new field in the DB and it's avaialable
evrywhere bit, the other examples are easily handles by CFCsone method to
update...another to insert...they do different things...just like your example:
def validate_on_update
#stuff
end
or
def
On 4/19/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't want to use the command prompt. It's clunky, outdated and a pain to
get around. I'm enough of a visual person that it makes FAR more sense (to
ME) to use a visual interface to do things.
Then use RadRails in Eclipse and click the
On 4/19/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow...
What a great conversation!
Here's what I want to accomplish in my testing of RoR. I want to be able to
view the parsed files in my local dev setup, currently using XAMPP.
Not sure what you mean by parsed files. Ruby is
On 4/19/06, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
don't like plural table names?
ActiveRecord::base.pluralize_table_names=false in environment.rb
want to override a table name?
class someTable ActiveRecord::Base
set_table_name some_crazy_table_name
end
Now that I'm finished
On 4/19/06, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the exception of the adding a new field in the DB and it's avaialable
evrywhere bit, the other examples are easily handles by CFCsone method to
update...another to insert...they do different things...just like your
example:
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