What I've found interesting about this discussion, is that I consider
ColdFusion Studio to be a specialized text editor.
Yes it does have wizards and buttons to make things 'easier' for those that
are still in the learning stage, but it inserts CODE. that you then have to
be able to understand
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What I've found interesting about this discussion, is that I consider
ColdFusion Studio to be a specialized text editor.
Yes it does have wizards and buttons to make things 'easier' for those
that
are still in the learning stage, b
want and who... that's
the damnable misery of it." Tombstone
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That is not the case. In version 3 it has
that all may benefit from my
lack of wisdom!
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Yes DreamWrecker is still the best WYSIWYG out there but it destroys
code no matter how
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At 04:32 PM 04/12/2000 Lon Lentz wrote:
However, I use cfstudio for its ability to help me better utilize my
time.
I disable design view.
But the shortcuts are great. The access and control it giv
At 08:07 PM 4/12/2000 -0400, you wrote:
Maybe I'm missing what you are wishing for here but I drag and drop table
and column names all the time. It would be nice to be able to drag and drop
all column names in a table at once however.
Ken
You can do that too. Just click on the first name,
At 12:39 PM 4/13/2000 -, you wrote:
I certainly consider myself a senior ColdFusion programmer, having used it
since version 1.0 beta. However, I NEVER use the query builder, primarily
because I have found it be kludgy. I generally white-board my database
design and queries. Sometimes I
You can do that too. Just click on the first name, then the last and drag
them all down. Or selectively click using your mouse and control key.
That works for me in the Query Builder which I rarely use but not in the
database tab area where I want it.
Ken
Also, I'm paying these people a nice little chunk of money, and it is more
than a little irritating to watch them spend 30 minutes hand typing all the
field name for a long query that they could create in the builder in 30
seconds.
That's sort of an amusing statement really. What you are
A lot of senior cold fusion programmers know SQL and don't need to use the
query builder (which is honestly, pretty limited). I, for one, appreciated
it when I was learning CF and SQL, but now I find it quicker and more
efficient to write my own code.
Sharon
At 06:00 PM 4/12/00 -0400, you
Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to
quick in and out...
I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3,
Benthic's Golden32
I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more
than I really need.
When
(Plus
its by Macromedia who makes awesome products).
-Will
(I won't go into MS vs. Unix because its a totally fruitless debate)
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MusicMatch and Spinner. These are required tools (along with a nice
set of Sony Studio headphones.) I love them for their simplicity as well.
Hrmp. ;-)
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Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to
quick in and out...
I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3,
Benthic'
I like to get my cf coding done FASTER by dragging and dropping cfml code
snips all over the place and then. I actually enter the outside world once
in a while (ya know... sunlight) grab the horse from out in th meadow,
hook ol bessie up to the carriage and take a buggy ride to the farmers
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I've been using UltraEdit 32 for a few
Obviously you've never received 80-90 marked up pages done by professional
designers in Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver most certainly does produce "messy"
code. If you'd like, I'll be happy to send you a sample
And I'm sure you could get messy HTML produced with notepad. Are you
criticizing
I didn't mention that I type faster when I listen to music no matter what
kind of music it is.
Byron
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I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code,
because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and gui
generation
But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (out dated) or
non-conformist...
Just out of curiousity how many of you
Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs
cf studio and
the like?
Up until Homesite, I wrote all my code in Notepad and loved it.
With Homesite, and later CFStudio, I made the switch and have been very
happy with the results. I don't use all the bells and whistles (and I
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Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio and
the like?
Harlan Ellison says he uses an old manual typwriter. I do not believe that
that makes him a
better writer than someone who
il 12, 2000 11:18 AM
Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors
I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code,
because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and
gui
generation
But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (out dated
At 04:32 PM 04/12/2000 Lon Lentz wrote:
However, I use cfstudio for its ability to help me better utilize my time.
I disable design view.
But the shortcuts are great. The access and control it gives to your
databases is handy. The query
designer (with an ability to build and test a query
I was coding CF for over a year before I discovered homesite, (this was a
year or so prior to allaire buying homesite.) In that time, I was using
everything from notepad to hotdog to code my CF.
At 06:00 PM 4/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
I cannot imagine trying to code Cold Fusion apps using
What amazes me is the number of people who consider themselves senior cold
fusion programmers, and have never used the query builder, or even know
about it. Apparently the little build button in the query tag edit has
completely escaped their attention.
I would "NOT" call myself and
At 03:30 PM 04/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
One problem with the query builder is that not all of us *can* use it.
Maybe so, but at least you know it exists.
Judith C.
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Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the
window on the
left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html code on the right window
pane... then we'd have a productive db tool. (Hint Hint Hint)
Maybe I'm missing what you are wishing for here but I drag and drop table
and
What amazes me is the number of people who consider
themselves senior cold fusion programmers, and have never
used the query builder, or even know about it. Apparently
the little build button in the query tag edit has completely
escaped their attention.
They're the ones most likely never to
Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the
window on the left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html
code on the right window pane... then we'd have a productive
db tool. (Hint Hint Hint)
You can do that now.
Yeah, but it's not very RAD.
For example: Suppose you
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Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the
window on the
left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html code on the right window
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