Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread Mark Mandel
Amazon doesn't lose your data on restart if you use EBS... Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Take a look at Rackspace cloud options. I've been looking at them and chatting with Phil and they are also really good value for money and they don't

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread Andrew Scott
Steve, I have to agree with where you are coming from. When you compare physical to virtual, it does seem very expensive to run. But I also understand the benefits that Virtual gives you as well, and I am with you in that I am not sure that for small and I refer to you as small in the space of it

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread Josh Wines
Don't forget to also look into Amazon's 'Reserved Instance' pricing as that is a much more cost effective solution when running instances, especially 24/7. On 09/08/2011 04:21 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Steve, I have to agree with where you are coming from. When you compare physical to virtual,

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread Paul Kukiel
Sure but its not just simply setup and your database is persistent you need to offload to EBS at intervals or snap shot the instance. Where as rackspace is more like a typical VPS/colo machine just in an elastic environment. I'm just saying this is something to consider when making the move

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread Mark Mandel
Yeah, to replace an entire hosting setup, it may not be cost effective. But for specific applications, it can make a lot of sense when you look at the wider functionality available. If you are looking at massive dips and spikes in traffic - you can't go past being about to expand and collapse in

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread Mark Mandel
Well, you can use RDS or Oracle offerings. But if you have an EBS based AMI, what is the issue there? It's persistent between restarts in my experience (I tend to only host websites on them, not DBs) I rebooted our stage server yesterday, and it came back just fine with everything on it.

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread Paul Kukiel
No Issue its just different. Ie you can just install SQL server, put data in the database, shut down the instance fire it back up again the next day and expect the data to be there. At rackspace it does work like this however. Paul. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Mark Mandel

[cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Chong
I have an ex colleague that work projects uses EC2... how do you arrive at 450-500 per instance excluding data? With my discussions with him and a few others, it is very hard to estimate your actual usage till you get on it. For me the potential lies in - Ability to exist beyond different

[cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Onnis
That's just it though. I own all of my hardware outright, so the only costs at the moment for us is the data centre costs which current is a little over 2k a month and includes 100 Gb of data. I have full control of security, firewalls, the servers, environments and if needed i can walk up to the

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Barry Beattie
Steve: what's the Data Center's/your's disaster recovery plan?** How critical is it for you to deliver, say, 99.5% (or whatever in your SLA) uptime to your customers? no criticism, not having a go, just curious if these are factors to consider (what you've got Vs what EC2 can do for you). me:

[cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Onnis
my disaster plan is an open ended ticket to mexico! :) kidding bi-daily backups etc The thing is even with all those backup plans it just adds more to the costs of running in a cloud. On Sep 8, 12:50 pm, Barry Beattie barry.beat...@gmail.com wrote: Steve: what's the Data Center's/your's

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Blair McKenzie
As far as I can tell there are three main advantages of cloud infrastructure, and others have already mentioned most of them: 1) you don't have to manage your own hardware 2) pay by the hour - good for development, and ties into #3 3) you can bring up new instances effectively instantly - both

[cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Onnis
Yes paying by the hour is great but when you are using them as production instances which need to be up 24/7 then the paying by the hour doesn't really come into it. On Sep 8, 3:35 pm, Blair McKenzie shi...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I can tell there are three main advantages of cloud

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Paul Kukiel
Steve Take a look at Rackspace cloud options. I've been looking at them and chatting with Phil and they are also really good value for money and they don't loose your data like Amazon do upon restart. http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/ Paul. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Steve Onnis