[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. RegardsDale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve OnnisSent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale FraserSent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. RegardsDale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
Fingers crossed Adobe will make a few Breezos (or whatever they call it now) availble ;) On 16/10/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: No Access to CF Admin
Don't worry worked it out.. Thanks On Oct 16, 3:38 pm, Carl Vanderpal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone received this error before: (it happens when I go to CF Admin) - and Google only shows 1 result for this error and there is no answer to his question. got this on my dev server, and it just happened today..running CF 7.0.2 500 coldfusion.runtime.CFPage.SetEncoding (Ljava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;)V coldfusion.runtime.CFPage.SetEncoding(Ljava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;)V Thanks -- Postal: Po Box 3462 Dural, NSW 2158 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: skype:carlos-amigos?call --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: No Access to CF Admin
I seemed to have lost some connection where .cfm files were getting downloaded instead of getting served, so the Docs say go to 'StartProgramsMacromediaColdFusion MX7WebServer ConfigTool' and you can re-enter the details to reestablish, but the problem was I selected ColdFusion MX7, problem was I had Multiserver running (JRun and not standalone version), so I thought..mmm maybe its this one instead and sure enough it was. :)On 10/16/06, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/16/06, Carlos-Amigos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry worked it out..What was it?Chris--Chris VelevitchManager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095www.flashdev.org.au-- Postal: Po Box 3462 Dural, NSW 2158Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: skype:carlos-amigos?call --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFC Explorer and Application.cfm
OK, thanks for clarifying. I've got some interesting observations. First, I've just tried to confirm how the CFC explorer works with CFINCLUDEd templates that declare new methods, and--without even bothering to test use of application variables--I find that such methods don't show up in the CFC explorer. Here's how I tested it: ** hello.cfc ** CFCOMPONENT cfinclude template=include-cfc-method.cfm CFFUNCTION NAME=GetHello ACCESS=REMOTE RETURNTYPE=string CFRETURN Hello World /CFFUNCTION /CFCOMPONENT *** include-cfc-method.cfm *** cffunction name=test cfreturn hello /cffunction *** test.cfm *** cfinvoke component=hello returnvariable=fromhello method=test cfoutput#fromhello#/cfoutput The test.cfm does show that the test method is found, but exploring test.cfc doesn't show test to be a method in the CFC. But then I figured I'd see if I could at least get the error you do, so I created an application.cfm with the following: cfapplication name=test cfset application.loc = .\ And then changed the hello.cfc include to be: cfinclude template=#application.loc#include-cfc-method.cfm And tried the test.cfm to make sure I had no mistakes, and it worked. Then I used the CFC explorer, and it worked just fine. It *still* didn't show the included method, though. The only way I could get the error you mention was if the application variable name simply was wrong (loc2, for instance). Or in your case, perhaps it's just not firing the application.cfm you'd expect some other reason. But it ran this one, when it was in the same directory as the CFC. Maybe you've got a still different setup? /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:06 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFC Explorer and Application.cfm On 10/16/06, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair enough. How about being more explicit regarding where you're using the application variables, such that the CFC explorer fails? It's beddy-bye time I'm doing cfincludes and I'm using the application variables to define the location of these templates. The cfincludes are used to added common functions and constants. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
The trends by Google seem to be based on search patterns, my conclusion and its a guess that more Coldfusion developers dont need to search fro coldfusion problems because of the support network. 1) Coldfusion is still successful, and is getting into more large scale sites the problem is that CF is being used more for intranets that will not be picked up google or any search engine. With people developing the likes of Coldspring (Java spring in CF) then you get the idea that it is moving in huge bounds, or even with ORMs like Reactor, CFHibernate and Mark Mandels Transfer gives CF even more power. 2) It hasnt fallen behind, so I am not sure where you get these figures from. If you listen to the likes of Sean Corfield it is moving ahead in leaps and bounds. 3) Every scripting language has made significant leaps and bounds, CFMX7 offered more buck for your money with gateways etc, which ASP.Net has but you need to write your own code to do this. The introduction of reports in cf to name a few of the leaps CF has made. 4) Yes there are very few good developers, because with people like your boss who cant see the good it is no wonder fewer developers are left. Now these are my opinions, and although I agree that CF has dropped a little. Its support is strong, and the technology is just getting stronger. We are mainly a java house here, but we still do CF and my Boss has come from the CF world and if Adobe where to adopt the same technique with CF as they did with flex2 then he will not hesitate to use CF more. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone:+613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Lu Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 9:13 AM To: CFAussie Mailing List Subject: [cfaussie] ColdFusion trend? My boss asked me to get on ASP.NET. I asked him why. He's given mefollowing reasons: - One indication of popularity is the trend of searches that are made on google: http://www.google.com/trends?q=ColdFusionctab=0geo=alldate=all http://www.google.com/trends?q=ASP.NETctab=0geo=alldate=all In short the following * Was a very successful language with large-scale sites in the early days * Has fallen behind in recent years * Other technologies like ASP.NET have made significant strides in recent years * Very few good programmers available -- What do you think? George --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
* Very few good programmers available on this point, ASP.NET does not a good programmer make. in fact I'd argue that some parts of ASP.NET actually support bad habits, if you compare against Java best practices. lots of CF good programmers are good programmers origionally from other languages - who seem to have no trouble picking CF up and doing well, esp if they come with some Java background. I know of at least one place that has Managers have a habit of pideon-holeing people. he's a CF programmer she's a Java programmer instead of he's a CF programmer she's a Java programmer needing a bit of CF experiance to get up to speed but will bring a new perspective to development practices. can anyone suggest a free poll? I wouldn't mind doing a quick Vox Poll on some questions: - how many languages did you seriously use before comming to ColdFusion (Pascal doesn't count unless it was object Pascal/Delphi, HTML or SQL doesn't count but Javascript does) (1) ColdFusion was my first main language (2) I learnt another programming language first (not Pascal) (3) I learnt two other languages before comming to ColdFusion (4) I learnt 3-5 other languages before comming to ColdFusion but I'm not old enough to be classified as reverent status as indicated in Answer 5 (5) I have the experiance of many programming languages under my belt over many years and ColdFusion is only one of them On 10/17/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My boss asked me to get on ASP.NET. I asked him why. He's given me following reasons: - One indication of popularity is the trend of searches that are made on google: http://www.google.com/trends?q=ColdFusionctab=0geo=alldate=all http://www.google.com/trends?q=ASP.NETctab=0geo=alldate=all In short the following * Was a very successful language with large-scale sites in the early days * Has fallen behind in recent years * Other technologies like ASP.NET have made significant strides in recent years * Very few good programmers available -- What do you think? George --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Where is the 6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions (and then I'm going to pick number 4) Mark On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
ho ho ho yeah, well, it was just a quick'n'dirty idea to try and make the point that there's a large number of ColdFusion programmers who weren't born that way in fact you could do a lot worse than hiring a Java or VB programmer and re-training them in CF... new blood as it were. Bottom line: I don't buy the Can't find good CF programmers - there's lots of good CF'ers wrapped up in other skins waiting to break out... ...like butterflies... (PS: don't use snappoll.com - it's crap. I broke it with a spare apostrophie... any better suggestions?) On 10/17/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the 6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions (and then I'm going to pick number 4) Mark On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
OR option (7) I'm still learning ColdFusion but my boss wants me to learn .NET I'll choose option (1) thank you very much. Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: MySQL and CF
Thanks guys, Yeah I worked that out a few days ago. This question didn't go up for DAYSmust have been a google thang. Thanks anyway. Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
I agree. I came to my CF job out of uni with no experience with it and found it to be the easiest language I'd ever seen (cfquery - sweet). A couple of weeks later I was, not an expert, but competent enough to be developing a new website solo. The learning curve in CF is so smooth that anyone with programming experience can pick it up easily. BlairOn 10/17/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ho ho hoyeah, well, it was just a quick'n'dirty idea to try and make the pointthat there's a large number of ColdFusion programmers who weren't bornthat wayin fact you could do a lot worse than hiring a Java or VB programmer and re-training them in CF... new blood as it were.Bottom line: I don't buy the Can't find good CF programmers-there's lots of good CF'ers wrapped up in other skins waiting to break out..like butterflies...(PS: don't use snappoll.com - it's crap. I broke it with a spareapostrophie... any better suggestions?)On 10/17/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the 6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions (and then I'm going to pick number 4) Mark On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5.Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +6138676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
As I said the graphs are rubbish. Based on the graph asp.net existed before Coldfusion. Regards Dale Fraser From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of grant Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 11:05 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? we are small fry http://www.google.com/trends?q=PHP%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+javactab=1geo=AUdate=all put me down for (5) (6) On 10/17/06, Blair McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I came to my CF job out of uni with no experience with it and found it to be the easiest language I'd ever seen (cfquery - sweet). A couple of weeks later I was, not an expert, but competent enough to be developing a new website solo. The learning curve in CF is so smooth that anyone with programming experience can pick it up easily. Blair On 10/17/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ho ho ho yeah, well, it was just a quick'n'dirty idea to try and make the point that there's a large number of ColdFusion programmers who weren't born that way in fact you could do a lot worse than hiring a Java or VB programmer and re-training them in CF... new blood as it were. Bottom line: I don't buy the Can't find good CF programmers- there's lots of good CF'ers wrapped up in other skins waiting to break out... ...like butterflies... (PS: don't use snappoll.com - it's crap. I broke it with a spare apostrophie... any better suggestions?) On 10/17/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the 6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions (and then I'm going to pick number 4) Mark On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +6138676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+javactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead. Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1geo=AUdate=all Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
If you look at the number references you will realise that the words are NOT programming specific. So when searching for flash, lots of this will be flash memory and flash camera related. Java also is a Country and benefits from this one. http://www.google.com/trends?q=jsp%2C+asp%2C+coldfusion%2C+phpctab=1geo=AU date=all Overall all interest in web programming is dying and we should all seriously consider our futures. I think I'd like to open a Pizza shop. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:22 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead. Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1 geo=AUdate=all Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too. Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still cool though) I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I next need to convince someone of. As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing. Darren Tracey --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Become a politician. Here are some good books for the politically minded ;-) http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-1876436-2467216?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=how+to+lie+with+statisticsGo.x=7Go.y=11Go=Go Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
>From the graph, you can see ASP.NET is very popular or more search in India... On 17/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at the number references you will realise that the words are NOTprogramming specific. So when searching for flash, lots of this will be flash memory and flashcamera related.Java also is a Country and benefits from this one. http://www.google.com/trends?q=jsp%2C+asp%2C+coldfusion%2C+phpctab=1geo=AUdate=allOverall all interest in web programming is dying and we should all seriouslyconsider our futures. I think I'd like to open a Pizza shop. RegardsDale Fraser-Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com ] On BehalfOf Chris VelevitchSent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:22 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead.Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1geo=AUdate=allChris--Chris VelevitchManager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Groupm: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Well.. actually.. you are right.. http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outsourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all Mark On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too. Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still cool though) I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I next need to convince someone of. As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing. Darren Tracey -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
This is fun I could do this all day. This one made me cancel the Pizza shop, seems that Coldfusion is set for a much larger customer base just based on being in the Adobe product suite. http://www.google.com/trends?q=allaire%2C+macromedia%2C+adobectab=0geo=all date=all Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Well.. actually.. you are right.. http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all Mark On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too. Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still cool though) I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I next need to convince someone of. As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing. Darren Tracey -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
Acrobat Connectos :P Yo Steve, Can we postpone till Dale gets back. I would love to hear what the man has to say about his Las Vegas journey. Hey Dale, Are you taking a cam with you, bring back some goodies for the group :) Bjorn -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Tilbrook Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 5:07 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Fingers crossed Adobe will make a few Breezos (or whatever they call it now) availble ;) On 16/10/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we? Those trend graphs are wack! You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results. But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:22 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead. Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1 geo=AUdate=all Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=ford%2Choldenctab=0geo=alldate=all looks like ford is the winner in Australia, only just though -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:06 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we? Those trend graphs are wack! You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results. But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:22 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead. Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1 geo=AUdate=all Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
WHOO HOO http://www.google.com/trends?q=mac%2Cpcctab=1geo=alldate=all And PC wins! -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:06 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we? Those trend graphs are wack! You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results. But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:22 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead. Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1 geo=AUdate=all Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
I am Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:08 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Ok people who would be coming to the CFUG meeting. We happy to postpone it till first week in November? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:03 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Acrobat Connectos :P Yo Steve, Can we postpone till Dale gets back. I would love to hear what the man has to say about his Las Vegas journey. Hey Dale, Are you taking a cam with you, bring back some goodies for the group :) Bjorn -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Tilbrook Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 5:07 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Fingers crossed Adobe will make a few Breezos (or whatever they call it now) availble ;) On 16/10/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
The jury is out on this one http://www.google.com/trends?q=internet+explorer%2C+firefoxctab=1geo=alld ate=all -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:06 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we? Those trend graphs are wack! You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results. But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:22 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead. Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1 geo=AUdate=all Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
Bjorn, I'm taking a camera, what did you have in mind, I'm not sure I'd want to or they would let me video the sessions. But will get some photos for sure. I'm going to lots of Flex 2 sessions so there will be plenty to update on. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:03 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Acrobat Connectos :P Yo Steve, Can we postpone till Dale gets back. I would love to hear what the man has to say about his Las Vegas journey. Hey Dale, Are you taking a cam with you, bring back some goodies for the group :) Bjorn -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Tilbrook Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 5:07 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Fingers crossed Adobe will make a few Breezos (or whatever they call it now) availble ;) On 16/10/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Disclaimer::: Mac book pro chews any pc based notebook :) -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:15 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? WHOO HOO http://www.google.com/trends?q=mac%2Cpcctab=1geo=alldate=all And PC wins! -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:06 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we? Those trend graphs are wack! You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results. But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:22 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead. Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-) http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1 geo=AUdate=all Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Man what is this world coming to: Kittens thrown in frying pan in NY Kittens Mailed To Vermont With Brush Trimmer Kittens Survive Two-Day Journey In Box Australian Business man makes millions from kitten export business... hehe -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Well.. actually.. you are right.. http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all Mark On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too. Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still cool though) I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I next need to convince someone of. As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing. Darren Tracey -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
I want pictures of Ted Patrick and Mike Chambers in Las Vegas strip clubs.. We'll make millions from extortion dollars Just kidding ;[ *wink *wink Man there will be so many things released there i'm sure you'll be snapping happily, but mostly i would like to see snapshot of Apollo and Blaze. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:25 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Bjorn, I'm taking a camera, what did you have in mind, I'm not sure I'd want to or they would let me video the sessions. But will get some photos for sure. I'm going to lots of Flex 2 sessions so there will be plenty to update on. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:03 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Acrobat Connectos :P Yo Steve, Can we postpone till Dale gets back. I would love to hear what the man has to say about his Las Vegas journey. Hey Dale, Are you taking a cam with you, bring back some goodies for the group :) Bjorn -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Tilbrook Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 5:07 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Fingers crossed Adobe will make a few Breezos (or whatever they call it now) availble ;) On 16/10/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Well.. actually.. you are right.. http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all Mark On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too. Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still cool though) I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I next need to convince someone of. As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing. Darren Tracey -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
Sounds good for me. On 17/10/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok people who would be coming to the CFUG meeting. We happy to postpone ittill first week in November? -Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:03 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UGAcrobat Connectos :PYo Steve,Can we postpone till Dale gets back. I would love to hear what the man has to say about his Las Vegas journey.Hey Dale,Are you taking a cam with you, bring back some goodies for the group :)Bjorn-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Peter TilbrookSent: Monday, 16 October 2006 5:07 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UGFingers crossed Adobe will make a few Breezos (or whatever they callit now) availble ;) On 16/10/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on. I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on Steve From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuffand was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting. So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --Peter TilbrookColdGen Internet SolutionsManager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users GroupPO Box 2247Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/http://www.actcfug.com/Tel: +61-2-6284-2727Mob: +61-0432-897-437Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:45 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? I enjoy pussies :-) Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:23 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
No leave all pussies here, find something else to export. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
I enjoy pussies :-) Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:23 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
find something else to export. how about off-topic (and off colour posts)? there seems to be no shortage of them... On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No leave all pussies here, find something else to export. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
LOL Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:53 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? find something else to export. how about off-topic (and off colour posts)? there seems to be no shortage of them... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
So George... does this help? that your boss should stop worrying about platforms, ColdFusion or whatever and get into smuggling wildlife out of the country? I'm glad we can all gang together and come up with such a worthwhile solution for you. Enjoy! On 10/17/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Well.. actually.. you are right.. http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all Mark On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too. Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still cool though) I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I next need to convince someone of. As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing. Darren Tracey -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Yeah good point! Funny thread.. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:50 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? No leave all pussies here, find something else to export. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Thank so much Barry and all other people in this thread. It does very help. Now I'm confident with CF. I've already passed your answers and this thread to my boss. On 17/10/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So George... does this help?that your boss should stop worrying about platforms, ColdFusion or whatever and get into smuggling wildlife out of the country?I'm glad we can all gang together and come up with such a worthwhilesolution for you.Enjoy!On 10/17/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Well.. actually.. you are right.. http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all Mark On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too. Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still cool though) I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I next need to convince someone of. As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing. Darren Tracey -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VIC UG
Sounds like a good decision to me too!
On 10/17/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds good for me.
On 17/10/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ok people who would be coming to the CFUG meeting. We happy to postpone ittill first week in November?
-Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:
cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 1:03 PMTo:
cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UGAcrobat Connectos :PYo Steve,Can we postpone till Dale gets back. I would love to hear what the man has to say about his Las Vegas journey.
Hey Dale,Are you taking a cam with you, bring back some goodies for the group :)Bjorn-Original Message-From:
cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Peter TilbrookSent: Monday, 16 October 2006 5:07 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UGFingers crossed Adobe will make a few Breezos (or whatever they call
it now) availble ;)On 16/10/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe Dale - when you come back - do a MAX conference roundup for us? That'd be cool! Mark On 10/16/06, George Lu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll be good if we can get Max update at the meeting :) On 16/10/06, Dale Fraser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh Dam, At Max next week, but the show must go on.
I'm happy to give a Max update if it was the week after. Thanks Steve.
Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au
From:
cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 15:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VIC UG Next week Just finalizing presentations and stuff
Will be an email going out this week when all the details are confirmed with the new venue and so on
Steve From:
cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser
Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] VIC UG Might seem like I complain a bit, But what's happening with the VIC UG, I really loved the Flex 2 stuff
and was looking forward to the next talk to CF bits. We have a new venue, a topic and people waiting.
So I really don't see what the hold-up is. Regards Dale Fraser
http://dale.fraser.id.au lang=EN-US
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http://www.coldgen.com/http://www.actcfug.com/Tel: +61-2-6284-2727Mob: +61-0432-897-437
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
Barry, I don't think kittens class as wildlife. I think the Australian environment would greatly benefit from vast quantities of kittens being shipped out of Australia. I have visions of vast herds of Aussie school children combing alleys, backyards and bushland for any unguarded kittens and earning pocket money (and valuable export dollars) by shipping them to, according to this page: http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittensctab=1geo=alldate=all New Zealand, or even the UK. Google does make the world a happier place! George, I'm hoping you can provide your Boss with a shortened version of this thread pointing out just how unreliable the Google Trends tool is for basing such an important business decision. He needs to realise that these results do not indicate pages written in these languages. It seems to be just the number of times those specific words (and they can be way out of context too) are used in pages that Google has indexed. Darren Tracey --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?
George Of course, if he is still hell bent on following the .net path based on what was in Google Trends, then show him the kitten thing and say goodbye to your days as a web developer. If you are going to be handling kittens in bulk, I would suggest invesing in some of those stainless steel link chain mesh gloves that butchers use, possible even a full length arm version. Other shipping ideas are available here: www.bonsaikitten.com Darren Tracey --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
