[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

Hmmm... 1) I agree that Good CF developers are hard to find, and this means one thing as you said either spend the money and train them or move onto a platform that you can get or have the resources to do the job in. That reality is what is hurting Coldfusion, which is a pity.. 2) You don't like

[cfaussie] Re: CF Report Builder

OK - it turns out I have an old version of commons-digester-1.3.jar http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=96ce62cd On 5/31/07, Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > nope! it is just the designer... > > On 5/31/07, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Do you need to instal

[cfaussie] Re: CF Report Builder

nope! it is just the designer... On 5/31/07, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you need to install the report builder on the cf server to be run the > reports (cfr)? > > > > -- Lucas http://www.thebitbucket.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this

[cfaussie] Re: CF Report Builder

no Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AJ Mercer Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 4:42 PM To: cfaussie@googl

[cfaussie] CF Report Builder

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[cfaussie] Virtual Server Hosting

Hello, We currently run our own servers in a data centre and we are due this year to upgrade a lot of things, such as the servers and ColdFusion 8. So I want to evaluate hosting this else where to weigh up the cost pro's cons. It would need to be 1. In the US or AU 2. Have good u

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

My comments mixed in too :) On May 30, 8:15 pm, "Simon Haddon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes I agree. There are a shortage of CF developers. There are also a > shortage of all developers at the moment. To say CF is dying would indicate > that Adobe don't want to invest in it any more. As fo

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

this is the results of the cfeverywhere project from a couple of years back? I wish it was around 4 years ago. Could it help to get by? on small tasks, yes definitely. But it would have issues with collaborative/team projects, assessment processes, auditing, exposure to the outside world, showcas

[cfaussie] Free CF8 Beta Hosting

HostMySite.com are offering free ColdFusion 8 Beta Hosting. "The free Scorpio Beta trial will be in effect as long as ColdFusion 8 is in beta. Customers will be notified 30 days prior to discontinuation of the Scorpio Beta trial. HostMySite reserves the right to discontinue the free Scorpio Beta

[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

Actually it can make a difference, but only to the CF server. If the mail server is not inside your network, then it will be 1 email. Once it hits the mail server it will be 101 emails. However, if you loop over with my method it will be 101 emails from the coldfusion server. But as far as I am

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

On 5/31/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - > to all who say "The developer edition is free!" > > but, in an educational context, it's bloody useless stuck on public > labs machines or the student's laptop. > > --

[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

It should be similar. Either way the mail server has to send 100 messages. It will however make a difference to Coldfusion, to Coldfusion it's one mail request or 101. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O

[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

Just to verify, to my mind, it would not make any difference in terms of network traffic (number of emails going out) in either method - no? 1 email with 100 CCs Vs 101 separate emails (1 for the TO) On 5/31/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Very bad idea... > > First of all you

[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

Very bad idea... First of all you only have a certain amount that this field can cope with, secondly it can be seen by some antispam software as being spam. The only exception to this rule, is if you have a workflow for keeping people in the loop in intranet applications. But for general mail ou

[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

Thanks all that did the trick :) On May 31, 1:19 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:54:14PM +1000, Dale Fraser wrote: > > Just build a list of email addresses first. > > > Ie > > > > > > > > > > > > >to="#emailTo#" > > or: > > > > Of course this is exposing e

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

CAVAET to bystanders: these points relate back to 2003 - ancient history in IT and business terms. Somewhere around there Macromedia Australia was going through some "restructuring" which in part allowed Rocketboots and other opportunities to come into being with many positive flow-on effects to

[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:54:14PM +1000, Dale Fraser wrote: > Just build a list of email addresses first. > > Ie > > > > > > >to="#emailTo#" > or: Of course this is exposing everyone's mail address to everyone on the list. It'd be better to do: Paul Haddon Technical S

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

Chris, That is the standard response I get. But a lot of companies run their own servers. And it's the mentality of that new developer that Justin is talking about, it's in their mind that this isn't a free product, thus they pick a free one to learn. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogs

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

The dev edition is free, so students could use that. I think it's more a case of it's easy to go from something like, say, java to cf, but going the other way around is not always easy. IMHO it's better to learn something like Java, with all it's intricacies/quirks/capabilities and then pick u

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

The developer edition is free! There are a number of hosting companies that support CF so the deployment costs are low. If fact using a hosting company is the better option for small organisations because there's not need to buy the hardware, software and internet connection and someone to manage

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

Justin, You are 100% right, been trying to get that point across, not sure it's working. A Free version of Coldfusion will fix this issue, and the rest of us will still pay for better versions. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@google

[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion hurts ASP & Java

Ray, I agree 100%, I do read the articles, research and play with lots of technologies and look at the good and bad with them all. My point was related to the comments on the CF8 release, I don't bother however taking the time or effort to comment and bag the other products. For anyone intereste

[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion hurts ASP & Java

Nope, The pure bliss of cfc's I know there are good ones out there, but which one to use, will it be supported long term. Who writes it, will it work under CF8 etc. Too many questions, I know 100% that our application will run perfectly on CF8 and not require support from anyone other than Adob

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

On May 31, 10:10 am, Robin Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you mean (a) giving some educational licenses to QANTM for it's > own use, or (b) giving away commercial licenses to each student? > > In the case of (b) you would be asking for almost $200,000 worth of > software. > > So the

[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion hurts ASP & Java

On 5/30/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is evident to me that while Adobe need to better market ColdFusion than > was done by Macromedia, Java and ASP people are quick to jump in with the > it's crap, I thought it was dead type of comments. Funny that these people > are even bother

[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion hurts ASP & Java

Dale - You don't use a framework? nothing at all? Mark On 5/31/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While ASP & Java might get more press and dollars thrown at them. ColdFusion > is really hurting these technologies, how so you might say. It hurts them in > terms of productivity. Java

[cfaussie] Re: CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

Just build a list of email addresses first. Ie http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of blueyoda Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2007 12:46 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] CFMAIL sending to multiple add

[cfaussie] ColdFusion hurts ASP & Java

While ASP & Java might get more press and dollars thrown at them. ColdFusion is really hurting these technologies, how so you might say. It hurts them in terms of productivity. Java, ASP & even PHP are just hard work, so hard in fact that you need to either spend a lot of time or employ a framewor

[cfaussie] CFMAIL sending to multiple addresses through the query

Does anyone know how to send 1 email through cfmail with multiple addresses in the cc field. I have a query named USERS and need to cc all the users from this table but I'm getting 1 email to each CCed user and multiple emails to the To address. help --~--~-~--~~~-

[cfaussie] Re: how to alter senders buddy when sending IM via XMPP gateway

Hi Duncan, You should be able to change it in line 7 of the config file: WEB-INF/cfusion/gateway/config/xmpp.cfg Robin __ Robin Hilliard Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au For schedule/availability

[cfaussie] OT: About Spring

On 31/05/2007, at 11:19 AM, Haikal Saadh wrote: > And yes, this is how Spring does it. Lots of mention of Spring on the list over the last few days, thought I'd draw your attention to an excerpt from Rod Johnson's (creator of Spring) J2EE book - this book is about Java, but this chapter talks

[cfaussie] Web on the Piste Agenda

Hi All, A quick update on the Web on the Piste conference. We've put up the draft agenda (link below) and sessions for those of you looking to come along. It's still in "draft" as we still finalizing who is speaking on what and which speakers sponsors are sending etc. We have some great speakers

[cfaussie] Re: cfc - cfargument best practice

I'd take the Validator one step further and have it identify which specific fields are missing. That will have the added side effect of making it easier to report errors to the view layer. (And yes, this is how Spring does it. Check out the Validator interface in the javadocs. I'd link, but ou

[cfaussie] Re: CF Argument issues

Hi All, Coming in late, but though I might be able to help. Rony, from your post I guess we're talking about a function that is shared across all your sites. You want the function to be able to take a "Test" class from any of the sites as an argument, but you can't dynamically change the

[cfaussie] Re: cfc - cfargument best practice

Hi Adam, I'd go with the bean or structure option - Dale has a valid point about argument checking but the problem is that every time your database columns change you're also going to have to modify the signature of your function (and any other functions handling this data) to match. Pas

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

On 31/05/2007, at 12:26 AM, Gary Menzel wrote: > However, in variance to Robin's statement, we have LOTS of new > development. I could have expressed myself better there Gary :-) Robin Hilliard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are su

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

On 30/05/2007, at 11:42 PM, Barry Beattie wrote: > Incorrect Robin > > I (with support from Sarah Barry who still works there) was teaching > 120+ students Coldfusion as part of the CertIV of IT at QANTM College, > Brisbane. ICAITB070A was the unit. Plus projects. For nearly 10 > months. I didn't

[cfaussie] Re: how to alter senders buddy when sending IM via XMPP gateway

ah just read your initial use case for the first time properly! ;) same concept applies though just swap "webpage" for "external users" and make the example message: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] says: do you sell Sinclair ZX Spectrum?" On May 31, 9:06 am, dsirr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Duncan, be

[cfaussie] Re: Release Candidate? Where's the Public Beta?

I still havent worked out where the docs are. Its only cf7 docs in the big download. Lots of blank pages for new features in the downloadable docs. Maybe I have to get the code hints working in cfEclipse to try the new stuff? >From: Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: cfaussie@googlegroups.

[cfaussie] Re: how to alter senders buddy when sending IM via XMPP gateway

Hi Duncan, be interested to hear how you go with smack, but i think i've thought of a possible cf solution, based on all you want is seperate chat windows for 1..n concurrent sessions where n is a predefined limit: create a IM router bot on an eventgateway that is the only thing that interacts wi

[cfaussie] Re: Release Candidate? Where's the Public Beta?

It certainly is out in public beta - http://digg.com/programming/Adobe_releases_public_release_candidate_of_ColdFusion_8_AKA_Scorpio On 5/30/07, Chris Velevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unless something changed since you last looked, going to Labs and > downloading the public beta is worki

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

(I'm not Gary, but I've been recently introduced to Spring, so I think I'll chime in.) You can't put down Eclipse lightly, though. Eclipse's java development tools are light years ahead of any of the CF tools (imho). It has knowledge of the language and it's classes, does the autocomplety th

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

Yep - see my additional post to Robins reply. And I could go on about the realities (for us) against TCO (emphasis on TOTAL). Stand by my statement. Regards, Gary On 5/31/07, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " The TCO (total cost of ownership) is much less than CFMX (most of it is > fr

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

I realise that Barry has asked me to respond to a "different" question (and I was having trouble starting a reply realising that it is really for a different thread - and possibly even a different list). But I can definitely respond on topic to Robin's reply. Firstly, I will clarify that I don't

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

" The TCO (total cost of ownership) is much less than CFMX (most of it is free" from a TCO point of view, TCO is more then just the cost of a server. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group.

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

Incorrect Robin I (with support from Sarah Barry who still works there) was teaching 120+ students Coldfusion as part of the CertIV of IT at QANTM College, Brisbane. ICAITB070A was the unit. Plus projects. For nearly 10 months. from simple CFLOOP thru to MVC archetecture with CFC's. of that, 2

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

On 30/05/2007, at 10:15 PM, Simon Haddon wrote: > Portability speaks for itself... many (all?) hosting companies have > IIS or PHP servers, but the number of them that support CF is > dwindling. The number of companies supporting or developing in CF is > also dwindling. If our customers want to tak

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

SIDE NOTE: to emphesise Gary's credentials... he, his co-workers and the company he works for have supported the CF community and CFUG here in Brisbane for a long, long while. In the past he has been willing to lead by example, to back his committment and support with action. IMHO, his comments

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

Can't help myself now. Firstly I would like to express my absolute content with Coldfusion, its capabilities and its functionality and having been fortunate to work with other languages I much prefer CF over the others despite the additional overhead in software expenses. Now.

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

It has been some time since I have written to the CFAUSSIE list. As many on this list will know, ABN AMRO Morgans has been using CF (and CFMX - with CFC's quite heavily) for some time now (well over 5 years). I have personally been using Coldfusion since V3 (mid 1999). Prior to that I was a

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

My comments are intermixed below On 30/05/07, schlub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I know it's dangerous to say this in this forum, but I would have to > agree that CF is a dying (though not dead) language based on my own > experiences with the CF industry. The fact is that teaching > institu

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

I had noticed that also. I'm sure they just forgot to send the domain to the right address. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M@ Bourke Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2007 8:25 PM To: cfaussie@googlegro

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me

lately when I try www.coldfusion.com it doesn't seem to work. it used to a few months back. when ever a non cf person asks me "whats the site for coldfusion" I say www.coldfusion.com I'm not going to say "go to the adobe site and hunt around" lol I hope it's only temp down when ever I seem to loo