[c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
All, Does anyone know which knob controls the only send 1 ICMP redirect / sec on an HSRP-enabled SVI on 6500/sup720 (SXJ IOS)? Is there a show command for the defaults / current setting? Note: I am not talking about the redirect MLS rate-limiter here; that's disabled. I'm seeing constant

[c-nsp] Migrating small distribution network to support IPv6

2013-02-11 Thread Bill Jones
I'm responsible for maintaining a small network for a building association who provides internet services to it's campus of tenants, and we're looking at implementing dual-stack. It's a straightforward setup: two 7204s (NPE-G2) connected to two gigabit upstreams, with a collection of several

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: All, Does anyone know which knob controls the only send 1 ICMP redirect / sec on an HSRP-enabled SVI on 6500/sup720 (SXJ IOS)? Is there a show command for the defaults / current setting? Note: I am not talking

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/02/13 14:30, Jared Mauch wrote: On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: All, Does anyone know which knob controls the only send 1 ICMP redirect / sec on an HSRP-enabled SVI on 6500/sup720 (SXJ IOS)? Is there a show command for the defaults / current

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Phil Mayers wrote: It's another one of those no ip proxy-arp commands - sup720 is slow enough that yet more commands in the NVGEN is something I'd like to avoid. Oh for a globals/templating. Router(config)#ip arp proxy ? disable Disable proxy ARP

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/02/13 14:54, Jared Mauch wrote: On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Phil Mayers wrote: It's another one of those no ip proxy-arp commands - sup720 is slow enough that yet more commands in the NVGEN is something I'd like to avoid. Oh for a globals/templating. Router(config)#ip arp proxy

Re: [c-nsp] Migrating small distribution network to support IPv6

2013-02-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013, Bill Jones wrote: It's a straightforward setup: two 7204s (NPE-G2) connected to two gigabit upstreams, with a collection of several 3550s doing a combination of layer 2 and 3 with a lot of tenants and ethernet customers having their upload speeds rate-limited depending on

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
show standby redirect should provide some info. Since these redirects are controlled by HSRP (which changes the internal IPs), maybe there is no way to change their interval. There is a command to disable them though. -- Tassos Phil Mayers wrote on 11/02/2013 16:17: All, Does anyone know

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/02/13 15:18, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: show standby redirect should provide some info. Not that I can see: InterfaceRedirects Unknown Adv Holddown VlXXXenabled enabled 30 180 Active Hits Interface Group Virtual IPVirtual MAC local

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Andy Ellsworth
Brain fart...it's early. Disregard. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Andy Ellsworth a...@dar.net wrote: I believe it's simply ip icmp rate-limit unreachable. Default interval appears to be 500ms.

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/02/13 15:45, Calin Chiorean wrote: Hello, Maybe this can help a little bit? Not really I'm afraid. I know how HSRP redirects co-exist. What I can't see is any explanation of the (maybe platform-specific) forward-but-punt-once-a-second behaviour I'm seeing.

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Calin Chiorean
Hello, Maybe this can help a little bit? http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/12_1t/12_1t3/feature/guide/dt_hsrpi.html#wp1027154 Cheers, Calin On 02/11/2013 05:22 PM, Phil Mayers wrote: On 11/02/13 15:18, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: show standby redirect should provide some info. Not

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Andy Ellsworth
I believe it's simply ip icmp rate-limit unreachable. Default interval appears to be 500ms. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios-xml/ios/ipapp/command/iap-i1.html#GUID-8369086B-6343-4BE3-8330-6754D14BCB5D On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.ukwrote: All, Does

[c-nsp] multicast group count in a vrf, value in snmp?

2013-02-11 Thread Sean Watkins
Hi Sure someone else has had todo this -- I've got groups in a VRF - want to monitor how many are there to start with - ie: SomeBox#show ip mroute vrf SomeVRF count IP Multicast Statistics 74 routes using 31344 bytes of memory *36 *groups, 1.05 average sources per group Forwarding

Re: [c-nsp] Cisco 6509 LACP

2013-02-11 Thread Mike Glass
Here are the results 6509 #sh spanning-tree int port-channel 1--- Vlan Role Sts Cost Prio.Nbr Type --- - VLAN0002 Desg FWD 3 128.1665 P2p

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Tóth András
Hi Phil, As I understand you have disabled the MLS rate-limiter for redirects, so that should not cause throttling, but you can check with sh ibc to see the rate at which packets arrive to the CPU. With mls rate-limit redirect disabled, packets will be still subject to CoPP because they require

Re: [c-nsp] Cisco 6509 LACP

2013-02-11 Thread Tóth András
Hi Mike, You can configure one unassigned IP address to each switch's interface Vlan x, and check if they can ping each other when using a port-channel. This should not cause any harm if you use an unassigned IP. The configured IP then can be used for testing between the force10 and vmware, by

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/02/13 17:42, Tóth András wrote: Hi Phil, As I understand you have disabled the MLS rate-limiter for redirects, so that should not cause throttling, but you can check with sh ibc to see the rate at which packets arrive to the CPU. For clarity, I haven't disabled it; it's disabled by

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 11/02/13 18:07, Phil Mayers wrote: As you say, I *assume* the punts are subject to CoPP, but who knows? In fact, a bit of fiddling with the CoPP config suggests not; I wrote a specific acl/class-pol/polmap entry to match the packets generating the redirects, and the matched HW counters

[c-nsp] Can ASA 5550 do BGP

2013-02-11 Thread pamela pomary
Hello Folks, Quick one. I have just read from Cisco's support community that generally ASA's dont do BGP. I want to verify if that is the case or there is tweak to get it to do BGP :) . We have ASA 5550 software version 8.2(3) which we possibly want to use as a border/edge router with our ISP.

[c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Eric A Louie
I just put in this command on my upstream interfaces to help my mpls network pass traffic - that is, my effort to eliminate fragmentation in my backbone. Is anyone else using this method of mtu control? I need some support - my CEO is asking why I have to do this, and who else does it, and is

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Tóth András
I don't see in RFC 1122 that the original packet should/must be dropped when a redirect condition is triggered and an icmp redirect message is sent. So I think it's normal that the supervisor forwards all packets, RFC 792 seems to confirm this. If you want to avoid packets to be punted, no ip

Re: [c-nsp] Can ASA 5550 do BGP

2013-02-11 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 18:58 +, pamela pomary wrote: Quick one. I have just read from Cisco's support community that generally ASA's dont do BGP. I want to verify if that is the case or there is tweak to get it to do BGP :) . We have ASA 5550 software version 8.2(3) which we possibly want

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread ML
On 2/11/2013 2:56 PM, Eric A Louie wrote: I just put in this command on my upstream interfaces to help my mpls network pass traffic - that is, my effort to eliminate fragmentation in my backbone. Is anyone else using this method of mtu control? I need some support - my CEO is asking why I have

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 02/11/2013 07:56 PM, Eric A Louie wrote: I just put in this command on my upstream interfaces to help my mpls network pass traffic - that is, my effort to eliminate fragmentation in my backbone. Is anyone else using this method of mtu control? I need some support - my CEO is asking why I

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-02-11 11:56 -0800), Eric A Louie wrote: Is anyone else using this method of mtu control? I need some support - my CEO is asking why I have to do this, and who else does it, and is it a common practice, etc, so I'm looking for evidence, more than just The Cisco TAC told me to

Re: [c-nsp] Can ASA 5550 do BGP

2013-02-11 Thread Ryan West
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 13:21:46, Peter Rathlev wrote: Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Can ASA 5550 do BGP On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 18:58 +, pamela pomary wrote: Quick one. I have just read from Cisco's support community that generally ASA's dont do BGP. I want to

Re: [c-nsp] sup720 ICMP redirects once per second

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Mayers
On 02/11/2013 08:07 PM, Tóth András wrote: I don't see in RFC 1122 that the original packet should/must be dropped Sure; never suggested it did/should. I'm trying to understand what IOS feature/command/whatever distinguishes between the the packets that are just forwarded, and those that

Re: [c-nsp] Cisco 6509 LACP

2013-02-11 Thread Mike Glass
Ok , I had ip address on my vlans on the 6509, I put the corresponding ip addresses on the force10 and can ping everything in those vlans fine, and can ping the addresses from the 6509. So wonder if it is a configuration on the vmware side or the force10 side, dell set it up to work as planned

Re: [c-nsp] Can ASA 5550 do BGP

2013-02-11 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 11/02/2013 18:58, pamela pomary wrote: Quick one. I have just read from Cisco's support community that generally ASA's dont do BGP. I want to verify if that is the case or there is tweak to get it to do BGP :) . We have ASA 5550 software version 8.2(3) which we possibly want to use as a

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 11:56 -0800, Eric A Louie wrote: I just put in this command on my upstream interfaces to help my mpls network pass traffic - that is, my effort to eliminate fragmentation in my backbone. Is anyone else using this method of mtu control? I need some support - my CEO is

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Eric A Louie
the good news is, I'm the provider network and it's my backbone. the bad news is, I have a mixed environment, Foundry/Brocade and Cisco. Much appreciated, Eric From: Mack McBride mack.mcbr...@viawest.com To: Eric A Louie elo...@yahoo.com; Cisco NSP

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Paul Stewart
We used to use ip tcp adjust-mss a lot for applications where PPPOE was required. ie Cisco 877 router at customer premise connecting via PPPOE back to us. Never seen it in MPLS core functions though if that's where it's being used.. Paul -Original Message- From:

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Mack McBride
I wouldn't say it is good news. Lots of people smoke and drink too, it doesn't make it healthy. Long term you want to stop fragmenting. LR Mack McBride Network Architect From: Eric A Louie [mailto:elo...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:00 PM To: Mack McBride; Cisco NSP Subject: Re:

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Mack McBride
This is very common practice and practically everyone does it. Usually if you have your own backbone you enlarge the backbone packet size though. Sometimes that isn't an option due to provider switches in the path. LR Mack McBride Network Architect -Original Message- From:

Re: [c-nsp] Can ASA 5550 do BGP

2013-02-11 Thread Juergen Marenda
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 09:21:46PM +0100, Peter Rathlev wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 18:58 +, pamela pomary wrote: Quick one. I have just read from Cisco's support community that generally ASA's dont do BGP. I want to verify if that is the case or there is tweak to get it to do BGP :) .

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Eric A Louie
Ok, maybe I'm missing the obvious, but within my backbone, I can't just increase the MTU across the Ethernet links. router (config-if)#ip mtu ? 68-1500 MTU (bytes) Unless this is the mtu you refer to router (config-if)#mtu ? 1500-9800 MTU size in bytes Much appreciated, Eric

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Aaron
At the interface level. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Eric A Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok, maybe I'm missing the obvious, but within my backbone, I can't just increase the MTU across the Ethernet links. router (config-if)#ip mtu ? 68-1500 MTU (bytes) Unless this is the mtu you

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-02-11 12:58 -0800), Eric A Louie wrote: Ok, maybe I'm missing the obvious, but within my backbone, I can't just increase the MTU across the Ethernet links. 1500-9800 MTU size in bytes Much appreciated, Eric This. Standardize your core to somewhere well above 9k, so you can

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Mack McBride
It is common practice because people do not control all of the MTU sizes on all of the links in their network. If you control all of the links you raise the MTU. Sometimes that isn't an option due to providers or legacy equipment (sometimes equals more often than not). I never said it was good,

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Mack McBride
mtu = Ethernet MTU ip mtu = MTU used for IP packets originating on the box. mpls mtu = maximum MTU for MPLS encapsulated packets Some boxes also have other MTU commands. LR Mack McBride Network Architect -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Aaron
Disagree, it is not a common practice. You should make your MTU large enough. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Mack McBride mack.mcbr...@viawest.comwrote: This is very common practice and practically everyone does it. Usually if you have your own backbone you enlarge the backbone packet size

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 11/02/2013 21:44, Aaron wrote: Disagree, it is not a common practice. You should make your MTU large enough. practically everyone who has the option and a modicum of common sense does this. There's no reason to make your core MTU small and constrain yourself packet overhead limitations when

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Alex Pressé
There are a few options set. Try system mtu ? On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Eric A Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok, maybe I'm missing the obvious, but within my backbone, I can't just increase the MTU across the Ethernet links. router (config-if)#ip mtu ? 68-1500 MTU (bytes)

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Ge Moua
This comes in handy when one jams a bunch of headers together but then constraints payload size which would result in frag/defrag and may lead to decreased throughput/performance. ex: use case I think of would be user facing before encaps into maybe something like gnarly like gre inside ipsec

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Ge Moua
For UDP, one would have to do something like touch the end-hosts and adjust mtu size on the ip_stack itself. Not very scalable and may require too much touch-points (also would be somewhat permanent). Some client vpn shims do this to end-hosts after installations of said software. --

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Mack McBride
The key wording is 'everyone who has the option'. A large number of people are dealing with legacy circuits and gear. To be fair most of those legacy circuits are on legacy gear. Most companies would rather do hacks than spend a lot of money. And providers that have you locked to a long term

Re: [c-nsp] ip tcp adjust-mss

2013-02-11 Thread Mack McBride
Most UDP should not hit the MTU limitation. The common ones that come to mind are streaming audio/video and DNS. LR Mack McBride Network Architect -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ge Moua Sent: Monday,