Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-06-01 Thread Pshem Kowalczyk
Hi, On 1 June 2011 06:31, vince anton mvan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all {cut} it surprises me that some people seem to be ok with passing transit traffic over a peering link. I dont understand why you would want to do this, as to me this seems abuse or misconfiguration (possibly not

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-06-01 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:17:11PM +0200, Vitkovsky, Adam wrote: I believe the new customer questionnaire should query customers as to who they use as transit -and if one of the customer upstream ISPs happens to be your peer than you should not advertise prefixes of the particular

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-06-01 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 12:31:42AM +0200, Peter Rathlev wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 20:31 +0200, vince anton wrote: it surprises me that some people seem to be ok with passing transit traffic over a peering link. I dont understand why you would want to do this, as to me this seems

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-06-01 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 09:18 +0200, Gert Doering wrote: If the customer is really creative, they announce the more specifics via the peering link *only* (but not to the world). So all the traffic is attracted by the aggregate from your upstreams into your AS, and there the packets get

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-06-01 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:37:59AM +0200, Peter Rathlev wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 09:18 +0200, Gert Doering wrote: If the customer is really creative, they announce the more specifics via the peering link *only* (but not to the world). So all the traffic is attracted by the

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-06-01 Thread Vitkovsky, Adam
-Original Message- From: Gert Doering [mailto:g...@greenie.muc.de] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:14 AM To: Vitkovsky, Adam Cc: vince anton; cisco-nsp Subject: Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes Hi, On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:17:11PM +0200, Vitkovsky, Adam wrote: I believe the new customer

[c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread vince anton
Hello everyone, need some insight from the list as how to best approach a bgp routing/policy issue, and whats generally done and considered good practise and good policy. I operate a transit AS (say AS10), and I have a customer (AS 5) who buys transit from me. I also peer with AS11 - no

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Keegan Holley
2011/5/31 vince anton mvan...@gmail.com Hello everyone, need some insight from the list as how to best approach a bgp routing/policy issue, and whats generally done and considered good practise and good policy. Not to be rude but this might actually be the least specific question I've

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Vitkovsky, Adam
filter with your customer prefixes/ASNs but in reality... adam -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of vince anton Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:57 PM To: cisco-nsp Subject: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes Hello

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Loch
vince anton wrote: So what happens now is that for this more specific customer prefix, I have a specific route saying some AS5 nets are preferable via the peering link than via the direct customer link, and if I want to deliver transit traffic to my customer, my router would choose the peering

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 31 May 2011, vince anton wrote: I operate a transit AS (say AS10), and I have a customer (AS 5) who buys transit from me. I also peer with AS11 - no transit either way on this, just peering, ie sending my networks to AS11, and receiving AS11's networks Now AS5 also becomes a transit

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Pete Templin
On 5/31/2011 5:57 AM, vince anton wrote: So what happens now is that for this more specific customer prefix, I have a specific route saying some AS5 nets are preferable via the peering link than via the direct customer link, and if I want to deliver transit traffic to my customer, my router

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Troy Beisigl
-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of vince anton Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:57 PM To: cisco-nsp Subject: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes Hello everyone, need some insight from the list as how to best approach a bgp routing/policy issue, and whats generally done and considered good

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 09:46:45 PM Kevin Loch wrote: Instead of trying to figure out how to break your customer's routing policy, you might ask them why they prefer the other transit provider. Is it because of cost? Capacity issues? Do they send you some more specific and others to AS11?.

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Tim Franklin
My standard practice has always been to apply a high local preference on customer-announced routes, medium local pref on peer-announced routes, and low (but still higher than the system default of 100) local pref on upstream-announced routes. The logic behind this is: I'd rather get paid for

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Andrew Miehs
I am not quite sure I understand exactly which problem it is you are trying to solve. Let us assume you (AS10) have been assigned 10/8 from RIPE. You assign your customer (AS5) a 10.0.0.0/22. As stated, you peer with AS11. Many providers will not route provider assigned (PA) addresses from

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Scott Granados
You missed filing appropriate route objects. If you can file the correct objects it may mitigate upstream filter issues if the upstreams build their data from filed objects. On May 31, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Miehs wrote: I am not quite sure I understand exactly which problem it is you are

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread vince anton
Hi all thanks for feedback. seems like different people are going around this in different ways, some allow transit through peering links, and some outright block this from day0 it surprises me that some people seem to be ok with passing transit traffic over a peering link. I dont understand why

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, June 01, 2011 02:31:45 AM vince anton wrote: it surprises me that some people seem to be ok with passing transit traffic over a peering link. I dont understand why you would want to do this, as to me this seems abuse or misconfiguration (possibly not intentional), and

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Pete Templin
On 5/31/2011 1:31 PM, vince anton wrote: thanks for feedback. seems like different people are going around this in different ways, some allow transit through peering links, and some outright block this from day0 it surprises me that some people seem to be ok with passing transit traffic over a

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Loch
vince anton wrote: it surprises me that some people seem to be ok with passing transit traffic over a peering link. I dont understand why you would want to do this, as to me this seems abuse or misconfiguration (possibly not intentional), and potentially very expensive, or loss of revenue.

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 20:31 +0200, vince anton wrote: it surprises me that some people seem to be ok with passing transit traffic over a peering link. I dont understand why you would want to do this, as to me this seems abuse or misconfiguration (possibly not intentional), and potentially very

Re: [c-nsp] BGP peer/customer routes

2011-05-31 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, June 01, 2011 06:31:42 AM Peter Rathlev wrote: I'm seeing this from a customer perspective: Why on earth should you not respect the more specific routes via the peering link? What if I have a primary connection from AS11 and buy a backup connection (much lower bandwidth) from