Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-02-08 Thread Christian Meutes
There isn't much you can do afaik: STP on ACs (CE-only, and consistent port configurations / prone PVSTP), waiting for MST-AG or even MC LAG, keep away from loop-capable ACs per L2 site. I'am really missing here s/w support for H-VPLS based setups. Currently I see no way other then running

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-02-08 Thread Waris Sagheer (waris)
Team, MST AG is in roadmap to solve this problem. Best Regards, Waris Sagheer Technical Marketing Manager Service Provider Access Group wa...@cisco.com Phone: +1 408 853 6682 Mobile: +1 408 835 1389 CCIE - 19901 http://www.cisco.com/ Think before you print. This email may contain

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-29 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 28/01/2013 23:05, Benny Amorsen wrote: Does that actually help? Does a 3560 merge multiple VLANs into a single topology if they happen to use the same ports everywhere? Different varieties of spanning tree do different things: 802.1d / 802.1w RSTP: single topology for all vlans PVSTP /

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-28 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:04:28PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 25/01/2013 19:45, Gert Doering wrote: Which is not god-given but a design decision by certain BUs that *should* be able to get a faster CPU than a Z80 these days... but where do you want to stop? 128 vlans means 128

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-28 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 28/01/2013 08:53, Gert Doering wrote: The pure number of VLANs is not the real deciding factor either - having 1000 VLANs on a single port each is less burden than 100 VLANs, but all of them on 50 trunk ports. (I could see a router vendor having a limit there, like your number of active

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-28 Thread Benny Amorsen
Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org writes: there's no 128 vlan limit - it's a spanning tree topology limit of 128 instances for pvrst. If you need more than 128 different topologies in a your network, your network would probably benefit from a redesign. And if you want to use all 4094 vlans on

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-27 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/01/2013 19:45, Gert Doering wrote: Which is not god-given but a design decision by certain BUs that *should* be able to get a faster CPU than a Z80 these days... but where do you want to stop? 128 vlans means 128 customers with a single vlan each. What happens when you want 2000

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-25 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
Hi Aaron, Wouldn't the tunneling of STP and letting CE switches to block out the redundant paths an option? adam ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-25 Thread Christian Meutes
On 24.01.2013, at 23:44, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: This isn't surprising. An me3600 can handle up to 4000 bridge domains (http://goo.gl/0gz4n), each with their own topology, but only supports 128 rstp instances (http://goo.gl/RLQ05). While rstp has more flexibility than mst, it

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/01/2013 15:54, Christian Meutes wrote: Which flexibility do you mean here? Shouldn't RSTP be a subset of MSTP? with rstp you can have a different topology per vlan, but you max out at 128 vlans. With MST you're stuck with 16 topologies per area, but you can use all 4094 vlans. Nick

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-25 Thread Christian Meutes
On Jan 25, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: with rstp you can have a different topology per vlan, but you max out at 128 vlans. With MST you're stuck with 16 topologies per area, but you can use all 4094 vlans. I believe you mean PVRST and not RSTP.

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-25 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 25/01/2013 16:31, Christian Meutes wrote: I believe you mean PVRST and not RSTP. yep, correct - that should have been clear from the context. I don't use vanilla rstp anywhere because single topologies just don't work with nontrivial L2 configurations. Nick

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-25 Thread Aaron
This is an option. Thanks Adam, and it works with efp (si) command l2protocol tunnel stpi tested it out good. However, here's another challenge I'm up against... the fact that I have Occam Networks DSLAMS (now Calixincluding Ross as he deals with this gear and perhaps has suggestions)

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-25 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 03:57:04PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 25/01/2013 15:54, Christian Meutes wrote: Which flexibility do you mean here? Shouldn't RSTP be a subset of MSTP? with rstp you can have a different topology per vlan, but you max out at 128 vlans. Which is not

[c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Aaron
Need to run stp on me3600 on efp and peer out that interface with older cisco 4500. Here's what I did.. ME3600 #sh run in g0/22 interface GigabitEthernet0/22 switchport trunk allowed vlan none switchport mode trunk service instance 675 ethernet encapsulation dot1q 675 rewrite

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Pshem Kowalczyk
Hi, On 25 January 2013 06:17, Aaron aar...@gvtc.com wrote: Need to run stp on me3600 on efp and peer out that interface with older cisco 4500. Here's what I did.. {cut} And if anyone has any suggestions about designing loop prevention via me3600's when I'm connecting legacy vlans over

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Aaron
Ugh, I asked this question like a month ago! I knew it seemed familiar :) thanks folks for putting up with me :) Hey! Did y'all know that efp's only support MSTP !! lol http://www.mail-archive.com/cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net/msg48863.html Aaron

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Aaron
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/metro/me3600x_3800x/software/release/15.3_1_S/configuration/guide/swevc.html#wp1002521 I think this is what I was looking for efp's only support mstp. Thanks Pshem Aaron -Original Message- From: Aaron [mailto:aar...@gvtc.com] Sent: Thursday,

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Reuben Farrelly
On 25/01/2013 7:25 AM, Aaron wrote: Why does l2protocol peer stp show up as an option if it's not supported? Is that one of those things with ios that commands are there but don't work type of thing? ...anyway, is MST (802.1s) supported on efp's? Aaron sv-b-ME3600-test#

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Christian Meutes
On 24.01.2013, at 21:40, Aaron aar...@gvtc.com wrote: Ugh, I asked this question like a month ago! I knew it seemed familiar :) thanks folks for putting up with me :) Hey! Did y'all know that efp's only support MSTP !! lol Which translates at least to 802.1d, 802.1w and 802.1s,

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Christian Meutes
And if anyone has any suggestions about designing loop prevention via me3600's when I'm connecting legacy vlans over vpls via my mpls cloud then fire away. There isn't much you can do afaik: STP on ACs (CE-only, and consistent port configurations / prone PVSTP), waiting for MST-AG or even MC

Re: [c-nsp] stp on me3600 on efp's with locally connected older switch

2013-01-24 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 24/01/2013 21:05, Reuben Farrelly wrote: Aside from that, the restriction about only being able to peer with MSTP across EFP's is a pretty horrendous one, I was really surprised to find that even Cisco's Rapid PVST isn't supported and it's not on the roadmap :-( This isn't surprising. An