Re: [cisco-voip] When did tftp go out the door?

[Ryan Ratliff (rratliff) via cisco-voip]

The tftp process has supported that since 4.x days (it was used for the proxy 
tftp feature). Endpoints have been preferring it since the Cius days, when 
phone loads started getting so big traditional TFTP just wouldn’t work.

These days the TFTP process can take requests using tftp on UDP:69, HTTP on 
tcp:6970, and HTTPS on tls:6971 and tls:6972. The HTTPS ports use different 
server certs, Tomcat for Jabber clients and CallManager for phones.

No, you cannot get rid of TFTP option 150 just yet, that’s still how the phones 
learn the IP address to use for configuration files. I would imagine it gets 
replaced by DNS SRV records at some point.

- Ryan

From: cisco-voip  on behalf of Scott Voll 

Date: Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 4:53 PM
To: cisco-voip list 
Subject: [cisco-voip] When did tftp go out the door?

I'm looking at a phone register and I see no tftp traffic.  All http over 6970. 
 when did this happen?

I'm on 12.5

if this is the new norm, then can I get rid of tftp option in dhcp?

Scott

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Re: [cisco-voip] When did tftp go out the door?

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

We got caught by that too. Can’t remember exactly when that happened.

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On Nov 14, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Scott Voll 
mailto:svoll.v...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm looking at a phone register and I see no tftp traffic.  All http over 6970. 
 when did this happen?

I'm on 12.5

if this is the new norm, then can I get rid of tftp option in dhcp?

Scott

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[cisco-voip] When did tftp go out the door?

[Scott Voll]

I'm looking at a phone register and I see no tftp traffic.  All http over
6970.  when did this happen?

I'm on 12.5

if this is the new norm, then can I get rid of tftp option in dhcp?

Scott
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Re: [cisco-voip] Force Logout Jabber

[Brian Meade]

Yea, I was actually looking at some crash bugs to see if that's an easier
route haha.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 4:27 PM Anthony Holloway <
avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting, so you want to change the client behavior, such that you can
> remotely signal the client to return the login screen?
>
> I have never looked into that, but it sounds like a tall order to me.  I'd
> be surprised if that's possible.  But, I'll watch this thread for further
> developments.
>
> BRB, writing a buffer overflow exploit which causes jabber to crash...
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:21 PM Brian Meade  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone found a way to force logout all or some Jabber clients on an
>> IM Cluster?
>>
>> Restarting XCP Router or un-assigning presence service for the user just
>> makes them spin and show it can't connect to IM
>>
>> ForceLogoutTimerDesktop is in the parameter guide but pushing this out
>> via jabber-config with a short timer still doesn't mean the clients are
>> going to get the new jabber-config right away.
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Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Ok. I got feedback on this. It’s a strange scenario.

I’m going to try and replicate and test and provide feedback tomorrow.

Lelio


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From: Brian Meade 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 4:17 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Myron Young ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

Yea, I'm not a huge fan of the Webex Directory Connector.  It could be a lot 
better.  Something like Synergy Sky works much better.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:46 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Just a heads up that the Hybrid calendar parse tool does _not_ work with 
forwarded invites last time I checked. This is a big drag. You can copy/paste 
meeting details into a new meeting I think.

Or did I already say this?


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From: cisco-voip 
mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Brian Meade
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:20 PM
To: Myron Young mailto:mdavid_yo...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

The RoomKit mini can act as a USB device and then they can use a laptop to join 
the meeting.

The other devices right now only support calling in to other meeting services 
via SIP/H.323.  Zoom has Cloud Room Connector licenses you can pay for to 
enable dialing in via SIP/H.323.  With Microsoft Teams, they don't allow native 
SIP/H.323 call-in so you have to use a 3rd party interop service such as 
Pexip/Polycom.  Cisco just announced that they will be building an interop 
service but there's not many details around it yet.

You'll need to register the Webex devices to CUCM or Webex and that may incur 
some additional costs depending upon your licensing/subscription.

For one button to push, the Webex Directory Connector will try to parse SIP 
URI's and add the join button.  Sometimes using a 3rd party directory connector 
may be a better option if you run into any issues.  Zoom has one for Zoom 
meetings for Cisco endpoints.  There's other companies like Synergy Sky that 
have alternatives for Cisco endpoints.

When joining meetings via SIP/H.323, you most likely won't get the full native 
client experience with MS/Zoom such as roster list, being able to mute other 
participants, etc.

Cisco is working on a WebRTC join experience using the web engine on the newer 
endpoints that will allow you to join other meeting services with a more native 
experience.  For the MS Teams WebRTC experience, you'll be limited to single 
screen though.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:24 PM Myron Young 
mailto:mdavid_yo...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

Anyone has any good experience in joining non-Webex meetings from the Cisco 
roomkit devices? Trying to deploy a standard for conference rooms with roomkit 
devices and touch 10 but need to make sure user experience is easy or similar 
when joining Webex meetings vs non-webex meetings such as Zoom, Blue Jeans or 
Microsoft meetings.
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Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

It’s a global change that needs to be done in conjunction with the user setting 
something in their meeting as well.

I went through the slides and realized this and got feedback from a few places.

It’s basically a two step process.

It can be onestep if the admin changes the base template.


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From: Brian Meade 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 4:16 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Pawlowski, Adam ; James Andrewartha 
; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

This is a global change in Control Hub.  You can say to not require host pins 
at all from cloud-registered video endpoints.  No other changes needed.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:33 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

You can. But the way to do this is long and arduous. It requires users to 
create a template in Web interface and then use that template in outlook.

I’m hoping they include this option soon in the options/settings available in 
the outlook plug-in natively.


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From: Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:13 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Pawlowski, Adam mailto:aj...@buffalo.edu>>; James 
Andrewartha mailto:jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au>>; 
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

If the endpoints are cloud-registered, you can disable it asking for a host pin.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

I think you've hit the nail on the head Adam.

The idea of these room systems are great... they really do making joining 
meetings easy (as long as you know to bring your host PIN, argh!).

But I think we are going to be relegated to providing the best fit for all, 
which, in the end, might be a USB enabled room. ☹

Why Cisco didn't (and doesn't intend to) extend the USB-plug-webcam option for 
their larger units is beyond me. Could be technical, who knows. But that would 
surely open up the justification for these room systems.



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From: cisco-voip 
mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Pawlowski, Adam
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:52 AM
To: 'James Andrewartha' 
mailto:jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au>>; 
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

I don't know if that whole mess is necessary to join a Zoom call. If the party 
who sent you the Zoom invite has the connector service for interop, you can 
usually call the meeting by @zoomcrc.com as  
SIP call. If they don't, it prompts you to sign in on an app with your account 
(which is paying for a connector license I guess) and then you can join the 
meeting that way.

In my experience with that, I've yet to come across a Zoom meeting I've been 
invited to where someone has the connector on their account, and we don't pay 
for one. In that case the Room Kit ends up being largely useless. Yes you can 
share in a PC but then making use of the camera is expensive.

And before anyone waves in with "Room Kit Mini", the framing on that is meant 
for some very limited room sizes and is not suitable to the type of space you'd 
be installing a proper codec to anyways.

All of these disparate services work best if you can coax the other 
participant(s) into playing in your house with your services.

We've unfortunately decided not to pursue the Webex systems given this, and 
have instead gone with external cameras and microphones that we can present to 
a PC as a USB device. Not for everyone and doesn't fit all cases.



> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-voip 
> mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>>
>  On Behalf Of
> James 

Re: [cisco-voip] Force Logout Jabber

[Anthony Holloway]

Interesting, so you want to change the client behavior, such that you can
remotely signal the client to return the login screen?

I have never looked into that, but it sounds like a tall order to me.  I'd
be surprised if that's possible.  But, I'll watch this thread for further
developments.

BRB, writing a buffer overflow exploit which causes jabber to crash...

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:21 PM Brian Meade  wrote:

> Has anyone found a way to force logout all or some Jabber clients on an
> IM Cluster?
>
> Restarting XCP Router or un-assigning presence service for the user just
> makes them spin and show it can't connect to IM
>
> ForceLogoutTimerDesktop is in the parameter guide but pushing this out via
> jabber-config with a short timer still doesn't mean the clients are going
> to get the new jabber-config right away.
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[cisco-voip] Force Logout Jabber

[Brian Meade]

Has anyone found a way to force logout all or some Jabber clients on an
IM Cluster?

Restarting XCP Router or un-assigning presence service for the user just
makes them spin and show it can't connect to IM

ForceLogoutTimerDesktop is in the parameter guide but pushing this out via
jabber-config with a short timer still doesn't mean the clients are going
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Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Brian Meade]

Yea, I'm not a huge fan of the Webex Directory Connector.  It could be a
lot better.  Something like Synergy Sky works much better.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:46 PM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

> Just a heads up that the Hybrid calendar parse tool does _*not*_ work
> with forwarded invites last time I checked. This is a big drag. You can
> copy/paste meeting details into a new meeting I think.
>
>
>
> Or did I already say this?
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
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>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip  *On Behalf Of *Brian
> Meade
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:20 PM
> *To:* Myron Young 
> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>
>
>
> The RoomKit mini can act as a USB device and then they can use a laptop to
> join the meeting.
>
>
>
> The other devices right now only support calling in to other meeting
> services via SIP/H.323.  Zoom has Cloud Room Connector licenses you can pay
> for to enable dialing in via SIP/H.323.  With Microsoft Teams, they don't
> allow native SIP/H.323 call-in so you have to use a 3rd party interop
> service such as Pexip/Polycom.  Cisco just announced that they will be
> building an interop service but there's not many details around it yet.
>
>
>
> You'll need to register the Webex devices to CUCM or Webex and that may
> incur some additional costs depending upon your licensing/subscription.
>
>
>
> For one button to push, the Webex Directory Connector will try to parse
> SIP URI's and add the join button.  Sometimes using a 3rd party directory
> connector may be a better option if you run into any issues.  Zoom has one
> for Zoom meetings for Cisco endpoints.  There's other companies like
> Synergy Sky that have alternatives for Cisco endpoints.
>
>
>
> When joining meetings via SIP/H.323, you most likely won't get the full
> native client experience with MS/Zoom such as roster list, being able to
> mute other participants, etc.
>
>
>
> Cisco is working on a WebRTC join experience using the web engine on the
> newer endpoints that will allow you to join other meeting services with a
> more native experience.  For the MS Teams WebRTC experience, you'll be
> limited to single screen though.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:24 PM Myron Young 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Anyone has any good experience in joining non-Webex meetings from the
> Cisco roomkit devices? Trying to deploy a standard for conference rooms
> with roomkit devices and touch 10 but need to make sure user experience is
> easy or similar when joining Webex meetings vs non-webex meetings such as
> Zoom, Blue Jeans or Microsoft meetings.
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Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Brian Meade]

This is a global change in Control Hub.  You can say to not require host
pins at all from cloud-registered video endpoints.  No other changes needed.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:33 PM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

>
>
> You can. But the way to do this is long and arduous. It requires users to
> create a template in Web interface and then use that template in outlook.
>
>
>
> I’m hoping they include this option soon in the options/settings available
> in the outlook plug-in natively.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
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>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Meade 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:13 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi 
> *Cc:* Pawlowski, Adam ; James Andrewartha <
> jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au>; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>
>
>
> If the endpoints are cloud-registered, you can disable it asking for a
> host pin.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
>
> I think you've hit the nail on the head Adam.
>
> The idea of these room systems are great... they really do making joining
> meetings easy (as long as you know to bring your host PIN, argh!).
>
> But I think we are going to be relegated to providing the best fit for
> all, which, in the end, might be a USB enabled room. ☹
>
> Why Cisco didn't (and doesn't intend to) extend the USB-plug-webcam option
> for their larger units is beyond me. Could be technical, who knows. But
> that would surely open up the justification for these room systems.
>
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of
> Pawlowski, Adam
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:52 AM
> To: 'James Andrewartha' ;
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>
> I don't know if that whole mess is necessary to join a Zoom call. If the
> party who sent you the Zoom invite has the connector service for interop,
> you can usually call the meeting by @zoomcrc.com as  SIP
> call. If they don't, it prompts you to sign in on an app with your account
> (which is paying for a connector license I guess) and then you can join the
> meeting that way.
>
> In my experience with that, I've yet to come across a Zoom meeting I've
> been invited to where someone has the connector on their account, and we
> don't pay for one. In that case the Room Kit ends up being largely useless.
> Yes you can share in a PC but then making use of the camera is expensive.
>
> And before anyone waves in with "Room Kit Mini", the framing on that is
> meant for some very limited room sizes and is not suitable to the type of
> space you'd be installing a proper codec to anyways.
>
> All of these disparate services work best if you can coax the other
> participant(s) into playing in your house with your services.
>
> We've unfortunately decided not to pursue the Webex systems given this,
> and have instead gone with external cameras and microphones that we can
> present to a PC as a USB device. Not for everyone and doesn't fit all cases.
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of
> > James Andrewartha
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:43 PM
> > To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> >
> > Zoom do sell a connector for Cisco room systems, but I don't know how
> > well it works for joining third-party zoom meetings. The setup
> > instructions are quite involved
> > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003126346-Zoom-
> > Connector-for-Cisco
> >
> > I've just put in a Logitech Tap Microsoft Teams Room system and the
> > announced compatibility with Webex and Zoom makes me happy we went
> > with them. Someone noted there's been no public agreement between
> > Webex and Zoom, only between them and MS Teams.
> >
> > --
> > James Andrewartha
> > Network & Projects Engineer
> > Christ Church Grammar School
> > Claremont, Western Australia
> > Ph. (08) 9442 1757
> > Mob. 0424 160 877
> >
> > On 14/11/19 7:13 am, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
> > >
> > > The question is whether or not the Zoom devices can dial other systems.
> > >
> > > If you're getting Zoom across the board, that's fine. But if you
> > > can't
> > participate with other systems, then you've further pigeon hole'd
> yourself.
> > >
> > > 

Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Just a heads up that the Hybrid calendar parse tool does _not_ work with 
forwarded invites last time I checked. This is a big drag. You can copy/paste 
meeting details into a new meeting I think.

Or did I already say this?


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From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of Brian Meade
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:20 PM
To: Myron Young 
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

The RoomKit mini can act as a USB device and then they can use a laptop to join 
the meeting.

The other devices right now only support calling in to other meeting services 
via SIP/H.323.  Zoom has Cloud Room Connector licenses you can pay for to 
enable dialing in via SIP/H.323.  With Microsoft Teams, they don't allow native 
SIP/H.323 call-in so you have to use a 3rd party interop service such as 
Pexip/Polycom.  Cisco just announced that they will be building an interop 
service but there's not many details around it yet.

You'll need to register the Webex devices to CUCM or Webex and that may incur 
some additional costs depending upon your licensing/subscription.

For one button to push, the Webex Directory Connector will try to parse SIP 
URI's and add the join button.  Sometimes using a 3rd party directory connector 
may be a better option if you run into any issues.  Zoom has one for Zoom 
meetings for Cisco endpoints.  There's other companies like Synergy Sky that 
have alternatives for Cisco endpoints.

When joining meetings via SIP/H.323, you most likely won't get the full native 
client experience with MS/Zoom such as roster list, being able to mute other 
participants, etc.

Cisco is working on a WebRTC join experience using the web engine on the newer 
endpoints that will allow you to join other meeting services with a more native 
experience.  For the MS Teams WebRTC experience, you'll be limited to single 
screen though.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:24 PM Myron Young 
mailto:mdavid_yo...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

Anyone has any good experience in joining non-Webex meetings from the Cisco 
roomkit devices? Trying to deploy a standard for conference rooms with roomkit 
devices and touch 10 but need to make sure user experience is easy or similar 
when joining Webex meetings vs non-webex meetings such as Zoom, Blue Jeans or 
Microsoft meetings.
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Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

You can. But the way to do this is long and arduous. It requires users to 
create a template in Web interface and then use that template in outlook.

I’m hoping they include this option soon in the options/settings available in 
the outlook plug-in natively.


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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
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519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

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Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: Brian Meade 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:13 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Pawlowski, Adam ; James Andrewartha 
; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

If the endpoints are cloud-registered, you can disable it asking for a host pin.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

I think you've hit the nail on the head Adam.

The idea of these room systems are great... they really do making joining 
meetings easy (as long as you know to bring your host PIN, argh!).

But I think we are going to be relegated to providing the best fit for all, 
which, in the end, might be a USB enabled room. ☹

Why Cisco didn't (and doesn't intend to) extend the USB-plug-webcam option for 
their larger units is beyond me. Could be technical, who knows. But that would 
surely open up the justification for these room systems.



---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook



-Original Message-
From: cisco-voip 
mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Pawlowski, Adam
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:52 AM
To: 'James Andrewartha' 
mailto:jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au>>; 
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

I don't know if that whole mess is necessary to join a Zoom call. If the party 
who sent you the Zoom invite has the connector service for interop, you can 
usually call the meeting by @zoomcrc.com as  
SIP call. If they don't, it prompts you to sign in on an app with your account 
(which is paying for a connector license I guess) and then you can join the 
meeting that way.

In my experience with that, I've yet to come across a Zoom meeting I've been 
invited to where someone has the connector on their account, and we don't pay 
for one. In that case the Room Kit ends up being largely useless. Yes you can 
share in a PC but then making use of the camera is expensive.

And before anyone waves in with "Room Kit Mini", the framing on that is meant 
for some very limited room sizes and is not suitable to the type of space you'd 
be installing a proper codec to anyways.

All of these disparate services work best if you can coax the other 
participant(s) into playing in your house with your services.

We've unfortunately decided not to pursue the Webex systems given this, and 
have instead gone with external cameras and microphones that we can present to 
a PC as a USB device. Not for everyone and doesn't fit all cases.



> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-voip 
> mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>>
>  On Behalf Of
> James Andrewartha
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:43 PM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>
> Zoom do sell a connector for Cisco room systems, but I don't know how
> well it works for joining third-party zoom meetings. The setup
> instructions are quite involved
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003126346-Zoom-
> Connector-for-Cisco
>
> I've just put in a Logitech Tap Microsoft Teams Room system and the
> announced compatibility with Webex and Zoom makes me happy we went
> with them. Someone noted there's been no public agreement between
> Webex and Zoom, only between them and MS Teams.
>
> --
> James Andrewartha
> Network & Projects Engineer
> Christ Church Grammar School
> Claremont, Western Australia
> Ph. (08) 9442 1757
> Mob. 0424 160 877
>
> On 14/11/19 7:13 am, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
> >
> > The question is whether or not the Zoom devices can dial other systems.
> >
> > If you're getting Zoom across the board, that's fine. But if you
> > can't
> participate with other systems, then you've further pigeon hole'd yourself.
> >
> > If that makes sense.
> >
> > The fact that Webex/Microsoft signed a deal is even more weight for
> > Webex
> devices.
> >
> > But I hear what 

Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Brian Meade]

The RoomKit mini can act as a USB device and then they can use a laptop to
join the meeting.

The other devices right now only support calling in to other meeting
services via SIP/H.323.  Zoom has Cloud Room Connector licenses you can pay
for to enable dialing in via SIP/H.323.  With Microsoft Teams, they don't
allow native SIP/H.323 call-in so you have to use a 3rd party interop
service such as Pexip/Polycom.  Cisco just announced that they will be
building an interop service but there's not many details around it yet.

You'll need to register the Webex devices to CUCM or Webex and that may
incur some additional costs depending upon your licensing/subscription.

For one button to push, the Webex Directory Connector will try to parse SIP
URI's and add the join button.  Sometimes using a 3rd party directory
connector may be a better option if you run into any issues.  Zoom has one
for Zoom meetings for Cisco endpoints.  There's other companies like
Synergy Sky that have alternatives for Cisco endpoints.

When joining meetings via SIP/H.323, you most likely won't get the full
native client experience with MS/Zoom such as roster list, being able to
mute other participants, etc.

Cisco is working on a WebRTC join experience using the web engine on the
newer endpoints that will allow you to join other meeting services with a
more native experience.  For the MS Teams WebRTC experience, you'll be
limited to single screen though.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:24 PM Myron Young 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Anyone has any good experience in joining non-Webex meetings from the
> Cisco roomkit devices? Trying to deploy a standard for conference rooms
> with roomkit devices and touch 10 but need to make sure user experience is
> easy or similar when joining Webex meetings vs non-webex meetings such as
> Zoom, Blue Jeans or Microsoft meetings.
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Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Brian Meade]

If the endpoints are cloud-registered, you can disable it asking for a host
pin.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 9:56 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

>
> I think you've hit the nail on the head Adam.
>
> The idea of these room systems are great... they really do making joining
> meetings easy (as long as you know to bring your host PIN, argh!).
>
> But I think we are going to be relegated to providing the best fit for
> all, which, in the end, might be a USB enabled room. ☹
>
> Why Cisco didn't (and doesn't intend to) extend the USB-plug-webcam option
> for their larger units is beyond me. Could be technical, who knows. But
> that would surely open up the justification for these room systems.
>
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of
> Pawlowski, Adam
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:52 AM
> To: 'James Andrewartha' ;
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>
> I don't know if that whole mess is necessary to join a Zoom call. If the
> party who sent you the Zoom invite has the connector service for interop,
> you can usually call the meeting by @zoomcrc.com as  SIP
> call. If they don't, it prompts you to sign in on an app with your account
> (which is paying for a connector license I guess) and then you can join the
> meeting that way.
>
> In my experience with that, I've yet to come across a Zoom meeting I've
> been invited to where someone has the connector on their account, and we
> don't pay for one. In that case the Room Kit ends up being largely useless.
> Yes you can share in a PC but then making use of the camera is expensive.
>
> And before anyone waves in with "Room Kit Mini", the framing on that is
> meant for some very limited room sizes and is not suitable to the type of
> space you'd be installing a proper codec to anyways.
>
> All of these disparate services work best if you can coax the other
> participant(s) into playing in your house with your services.
>
> We've unfortunately decided not to pursue the Webex systems given this,
> and have instead gone with external cameras and microphones that we can
> present to a PC as a USB device. Not for everyone and doesn't fit all cases.
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of
> > James Andrewartha
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:43 PM
> > To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> >
> > Zoom do sell a connector for Cisco room systems, but I don't know how
> > well it works for joining third-party zoom meetings. The setup
> > instructions are quite involved
> > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003126346-Zoom-
> > Connector-for-Cisco
> >
> > I've just put in a Logitech Tap Microsoft Teams Room system and the
> > announced compatibility with Webex and Zoom makes me happy we went
> > with them. Someone noted there's been no public agreement between
> > Webex and Zoom, only between them and MS Teams.
> >
> > --
> > James Andrewartha
> > Network & Projects Engineer
> > Christ Church Grammar School
> > Claremont, Western Australia
> > Ph. (08) 9442 1757
> > Mob. 0424 160 877
> >
> > On 14/11/19 7:13 am, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
> > >
> > > The question is whether or not the Zoom devices can dial other systems.
> > >
> > > If you're getting Zoom across the board, that's fine. But if you
> > > can't
> > participate with other systems, then you've further pigeon hole'd
> yourself.
> > >
> > > If that makes sense.
> > >
> > > The fact that Webex/Microsoft signed a deal is even more weight for
> > > Webex
> > devices.
> > >
> > > But I hear what you're saying. If your zoom, hard to say buy webex.
> > > ☹
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst Computing and Communications
> > > Services | University of Guelph Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition
> > > Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
> > > 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
> > >
> > > www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Myron Young 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:52 PM
> > > To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
> > > Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
> > > Subject: Re: Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> > >
> > > Thanks for the insight. I will try with the cloud device to test
> > > this out and see if
> > i can convince the powers that be. Otherwise we may be going full Zoom
> > which I’m not adverse to, but would be very unfamiliar territories.
> > >
> > >> On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I've not had any production experience, only 

Re: [cisco-voip] UCCX Callback Script

[Anthony Holloway]

Tanner, I ran a test and actually, anything inside the Do step will block
events.

As a test, I used this Do step:

Do {
int i = 0;
do {
i++;
} while (i <= 1);
}

And then hang up the a call during the do step, and see that nothing
happens; no interrupt.  However, the label we ask the script to goto on CIE
is then the label which is executed next.  This seems obvious when you
consider that there isn't a toggle-able option for interrupt handling on
the Do step.

But back to your method of handling callbacks, because I find it so
interesting.

I found that if in script 2, if the Agent just hangs up, you cannot
re-queue the call, because CL2 is now dead.  And in order to generate a new
active Contact Leg, you'd need to re-do the place call step, which means
you would need to signal something back to script 1.

Signaling between two running scripts is non-trivial and requires polling,
since Cisco hasn't implemented promises yet.  ;)

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Anthony Holloway <
avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tanner, That was tongue in cheek my man.  I was really looking forward to
> having more of a conversation with you about the thread locking solution,
> and balancing the pros and the cons with it.
>
> Also, I'm still confused how you are doing your solution, pertaining
> specifically to keeping script 1 alive, as I have found that it needs to
> remain alive, else you lose Leg 1's Contact (likely due to it being Garbage
> Collected).
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:43 AM Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:18 PM Anthony Holloway <
>> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To your last point about CIE: it doesn't work for me anyway, and I'm not
>>> trying to have the script do anything else, so threadlocking doesn't sound
>>> all that bad.  Unless of course you're trying to tell me that it's not just
>>> the thread my script is running within, but the entire CCX Engine as a
>>> thread, then yeah, that's pretty terrible.  Though, I just did a test,
>>> where I thread slept for 100 seconds in script A, and during that time,
>>> called into script B, and made sure everything worked fine while the
>>> threadlocking should have been taking place.  So, I would say it's not the
>>> CCX Engine as a whole, and likely each script is executed in its own
>>> thread.  This should be acceptable in this one use case.
>>>
>>> It's still a mystery to me how you're handling script 1.
>>>
>>> It kind of sounds like you are doing a 999s delay loop, but are you
>>> checking for the contact to be active still with the Get Contact Info
>>> step?  So, essentially the same thing I was doing, but with script steps
>>> instead (and less frequently)?  If so, then your script 1 stays active for
>>> ~15 minutes, worst case scenario, after the callback has been completed,
>>> correct?
>>>
>>> E.g.,
>>>
>>> CL1 = Place Call ()
>>> Successful
>>> LABEL0:
>>> Delay 999s
>>> is_active = Get Contact Info (CL1)
>>> If (is_active)
>>> True
>>> Goto LABEL0
>>> End
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 5:55 PM Tanner Ezell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I place an exception handler for contact inactive, checking for the
 callback contact via get Contact Info step to make sure the caller hanging
 up didn't catch the exception.

 From there I have programmed in resiliency for the callback to be hung
 up by the agent, but beyond that there is a Delay 999s loop. You'll never
 hit the limit as you've discovered.

 Would not recommend Thread.sleep inside your code as it will thread
 lock the task and may interfere; for example, it may prevent the CIE to be
 caught properly in that script. Use Delay step, it's thread safe and is
 built in a way that allows exceptions to be handled.

 On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:46 PM Anthony Holloway <
 avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, so I solved the looping thing by...well...looping.  :/
>
> So, loops themselves are not the problem, rather it's the finite
> script steps we can execute which are the problem...err...challenge.
>
> Since the CIE doesn't get thrown in script 1 properly (bug?), I used a
> Do step in the success branch of the Place Call step to wait for the 
> active
> state of CL1 to change.  Like so:
>
> Do {
> do {
> java.lang.Thread.sleep(1000);
> } while (contact_leg_1.isActive());
> }
>
> CL1 only becomes inactive once the Agent acknowledges the callback and
> the call redirect is successful.  Therefore, I get all the benefits of
> Tanner's solution, plus I can keep the max steps at 1,000, and technically
> queue for 12 hours (the CallManager default max call timer).
>
> I think this should work just fine, though, more rigorous testing will
> be 

Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Hunter Fuller]

yes it would. We struggle with this too. Really it's two problems:

 - By the time we went to roll out these units, everyone already knew
and loved Zoom.
 - With Zoom, you can play with it in your office before the meeting.

99% of our users probably use these things 1-2 times a year, but when
they do, it absolutely has to work. It's a big ask for them to switch
from something they already like using, to an unknown (to them)
product, one they don't have in their office or on their laptop.

--
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+1 256 824 5331

Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Network Engineering

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:56 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
>
> I think you've hit the nail on the head Adam.
>
> The idea of these room systems are great... they really do making joining 
> meetings easy (as long as you know to bring your host PIN, argh!).
>
> But I think we are going to be relegated to providing the best fit for all, 
> which, in the end, might be a USB enabled room. ☹
>
> Why Cisco didn't (and doesn't intend to) extend the USB-plug-webcam option 
> for their larger units is beyond me. Could be technical, who knows. But that 
> would surely open up the justification for these room systems.
>
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
> 2W1
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of Pawlowski, 
> Adam
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:52 AM
> To: 'James Andrewartha' ; 
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>
> I don't know if that whole mess is necessary to join a Zoom call. If the 
> party who sent you the Zoom invite has the connector service for interop, you 
> can usually call the meeting by @zoomcrc.com as  SIP call. If 
> they don't, it prompts you to sign in on an app with your account (which is 
> paying for a connector license I guess) and then you can join the meeting 
> that way.
>
> In my experience with that, I've yet to come across a Zoom meeting I've been 
> invited to where someone has the connector on their account, and we don't pay 
> for one. In that case the Room Kit ends up being largely useless. Yes you can 
> share in a PC but then making use of the camera is expensive.
>
> And before anyone waves in with "Room Kit Mini", the framing on that is meant 
> for some very limited room sizes and is not suitable to the type of space 
> you'd be installing a proper codec to anyways.
>
> All of these disparate services work best if you can coax the other 
> participant(s) into playing in your house with your services.
>
> We've unfortunately decided not to pursue the Webex systems given this, and 
> have instead gone with external cameras and microphones that we can present 
> to a PC as a USB device. Not for everyone and doesn't fit all cases.
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of
> > James Andrewartha
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:43 PM
> > To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> >
> > Zoom do sell a connector for Cisco room systems, but I don't know how
> > well it works for joining third-party zoom meetings. The setup
> > instructions are quite involved
> > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003126346-Zoom-
> > Connector-for-Cisco
> >
> > I've just put in a Logitech Tap Microsoft Teams Room system and the
> > announced compatibility with Webex and Zoom makes me happy we went
> > with them. Someone noted there's been no public agreement between
> > Webex and Zoom, only between them and MS Teams.
> >
> > --
> > James Andrewartha
> > Network & Projects Engineer
> > Christ Church Grammar School
> > Claremont, Western Australia
> > Ph. (08) 9442 1757
> > Mob. 0424 160 877
> >
> > On 14/11/19 7:13 am, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
> > >
> > > The question is whether or not the Zoom devices can dial other systems.
> > >
> > > If you're getting Zoom across the board, that's fine. But if you
> > > can't
> > participate with other systems, then you've further pigeon hole'd yourself.
> > >
> > > If that makes sense.
> > >
> > > The fact that Webex/Microsoft signed a deal is even more weight for
> > > Webex
> > devices.
> > >
> > > But I hear what you're saying. If your zoom, hard to say buy webex.
> > > ☹
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst Computing and Communications
> > > Services | University of Guelph Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition
> > > Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
> > > 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
> > >
> > > www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original 

Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

I think you've hit the nail on the head Adam. 

The idea of these room systems are great... they really do making joining 
meetings easy (as long as you know to bring your host PIN, argh!).

But I think we are going to be relegated to providing the best fit for all, 
which, in the end, might be a USB enabled room. ☹

Why Cisco didn't (and doesn't intend to) extend the USB-plug-webcam option for 
their larger units is beyond me. Could be technical, who knows. But that would 
surely open up the justification for these room systems.



---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook



-Original Message-
From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of Pawlowski, 
Adam
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:52 AM
To: 'James Andrewartha' ; 
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

I don't know if that whole mess is necessary to join a Zoom call. If the party 
who sent you the Zoom invite has the connector service for interop, you can 
usually call the meeting by @zoomcrc.com as  SIP call. If they 
don't, it prompts you to sign in on an app with your account (which is paying 
for a connector license I guess) and then you can join the meeting that way. 

In my experience with that, I've yet to come across a Zoom meeting I've been 
invited to where someone has the connector on their account, and we don't pay 
for one. In that case the Room Kit ends up being largely useless. Yes you can 
share in a PC but then making use of the camera is expensive.

And before anyone waves in with "Room Kit Mini", the framing on that is meant 
for some very limited room sizes and is not suitable to the type of space you'd 
be installing a proper codec to anyways. 

All of these disparate services work best if you can coax the other 
participant(s) into playing in your house with your services. 

We've unfortunately decided not to pursue the Webex systems given this, and 
have instead gone with external cameras and microphones that we can present to 
a PC as a USB device. Not for everyone and doesn't fit all cases.



> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of 
> James Andrewartha
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:43 PM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> 
> Zoom do sell a connector for Cisco room systems, but I don't know how 
> well it works for joining third-party zoom meetings. The setup 
> instructions are quite involved 
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003126346-Zoom-
> Connector-for-Cisco
> 
> I've just put in a Logitech Tap Microsoft Teams Room system and the 
> announced compatibility with Webex and Zoom makes me happy we went 
> with them. Someone noted there's been no public agreement between 
> Webex and Zoom, only between them and MS Teams.
> 
> --
> James Andrewartha
> Network & Projects Engineer
> Christ Church Grammar School
> Claremont, Western Australia
> Ph. (08) 9442 1757
> Mob. 0424 160 877
> 
> On 14/11/19 7:13 am, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
> >
> > The question is whether or not the Zoom devices can dial other systems.
> >
> > If you're getting Zoom across the board, that's fine. But if you 
> > can't
> participate with other systems, then you've further pigeon hole'd yourself.
> >
> > If that makes sense.
> >
> > The fact that Webex/Microsoft signed a deal is even more weight for 
> > Webex
> devices.
> >
> > But I hear what you're saying. If your zoom, hard to say buy webex. 
> > ☹
> >
> > ---
> > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst Computing and Communications 
> > Services | University of Guelph Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition 
> > Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
> > 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
> >
> > www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Myron Young 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:52 PM
> > To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
> > Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
> > Subject: Re: Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> >
> > Thanks for the insight. I will try with the cloud device to test 
> > this out and see if
> i can convince the powers that be. Otherwise we may be going full Zoom 
> which I’m not adverse to, but would be very unfamiliar territories.
> >
> >> On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> I've not had any production experience, only testing.
> >>
> >> From a cloud registered endpoint perspective, you'll likely be 
> >> using the
> "Call" button and have to enter the video address of the meeting. You 
> shouldn't have any issues.
> >>
> >> What I don't like is the fact that forwarded meeting invites do not 
> >> appear on
> the screen and/or show up with a join button.
> 

Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Pawlowski, Adam]

I don't know if that whole mess is necessary to join a Zoom call. If the party 
who sent you the Zoom invite has the connector service for interop, you can 
usually call the meeting by @zoomcrc.com as  SIP call. If they 
don't, it prompts you to sign in on an app with your account (which is paying 
for a connector license I guess) and then you can join the meeting that way. 

In my experience with that, I've yet to come across a Zoom meeting I've been 
invited to where someone has the connector on their account, and we don't pay 
for one. In that case the Room Kit ends up being largely useless. Yes you can 
share in a PC but then making use of the camera is expensive.

And before anyone waves in with "Room Kit Mini", the framing on that is meant 
for some very limited room sizes and is not suitable to the type of space you'd 
be installing a proper codec to anyways. 

All of these disparate services work best if you can coax the other 
participant(s) into playing in your house with your services. 

We've unfortunately decided not to pursue the Webex systems given this, and 
have instead gone with external cameras and microphones that we can present to 
a PC as a USB device. Not for everyone and doesn't fit all cases.



> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of James
> Andrewartha
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:43 PM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> 
> Zoom do sell a connector for Cisco room systems, but I don't know how well it
> works for joining third-party zoom meetings. The setup instructions are quite
> involved https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003126346-Zoom-
> Connector-for-Cisco
> 
> I've just put in a Logitech Tap Microsoft Teams Room system and the
> announced compatibility with Webex and Zoom makes me happy we went with
> them. Someone noted there's been no public agreement between Webex and
> Zoom, only between them and MS Teams.
> 
> --
> James Andrewartha
> Network & Projects Engineer
> Christ Church Grammar School
> Claremont, Western Australia
> Ph. (08) 9442 1757
> Mob. 0424 160 877
> 
> On 14/11/19 7:13 am, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
> >
> > The question is whether or not the Zoom devices can dial other systems.
> >
> > If you're getting Zoom across the board, that's fine. But if you can't
> participate with other systems, then you've further pigeon hole'd yourself.
> >
> > If that makes sense.
> >
> > The fact that Webex/Microsoft signed a deal is even more weight for Webex
> devices.
> >
> > But I hear what you're saying. If your zoom, hard to say buy webex. ☹
> >
> > ---
> > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> > Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph Room 037
> > Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
> > 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
> >
> > www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Myron Young 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:52 PM
> > To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
> > Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
> > Subject: Re: Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
> >
> > Thanks for the insight. I will try with the cloud device to test this out 
> > and see if
> i can convince the powers that be. Otherwise we may be going full Zoom which
> I’m not adverse to, but would be very unfamiliar territories.
> >
> >> On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> I've not had any production experience, only testing.
> >>
> >> From a cloud registered endpoint perspective, you'll likely be using the
> "Call" button and have to enter the video address of the meeting. You 
> shouldn't
> have any issues.
> >>
> >> What I don't like is the fact that forwarded meeting invites do not appear 
> >> on
> the screen and/or show up with a join button.
> >>
> >> Scenario: Your org is exclusively Webex, but your vendor sends you a Zoom
> invite. They can't book your room. You need to book it yourself. The easiest 
> way
> is to setup your O365 to allow rooms to auto-accept forwarded invites (and
> include all meeting notes). However, the meeting information never shows up
> on the device. I have tried replicating the meeting information via copy and
> paste and I believe that works (now I can't remember). My beef was that even
> forwarded Webex invites don't work!
> >>
> >> I'm hoping they resolve that soon.
> >>
> >> You could also consider writing an applet/macro for the device for Zoom,
> etc that asks for a meeting number and tags the domain.
> >>
> >> The other thing is, if the far end supports video endpoints, they typically
> support call back as well.
> >>
> >> The other other thing is, if you download the far end's mobile app, you
> should be able to click on the meeting in your mobile calendar, it launch the
> mobile app, and that should have a "call my video device" option.
> >>
> >> All things worth trying...
> >>
> >> Let us know 

Re: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings

[Myron Young]

Yea I saw the zoom connector too. My initial preference is to deploy the Webex 
devices since most of our employees use Webex meetings, but come up with a 
standard plan that allows them to join Zoom, GoToMeeting and other 3rd party 
meetings in a user friendly way that is similar to joining Webex meetings. 

The announcement of partnership between Cisco and Microsoft is encouraging and 
fact there is already a connector between Zoom for Cisco is good too. 

I’ll pilot it out with the Webex cloud registered roomkit and see how much I 
can get from that experience.  

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 10:44 PM, James Andrewartha  
> wrote:
> 
> Zoom do sell a connector for Cisco room systems, but I don't know how
> well it works for joining third-party zoom meetings. The setup
> instructions are quite involved
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003126346-Zoom-Connector-for-Cisco
> 
> I've just put in a Logitech Tap Microsoft Teams Room system and the
> announced compatibility with Webex and Zoom makes me happy we went with
> them. Someone noted there's been no public agreement between Webex and
> Zoom, only between them and MS Teams.
> 
> -- 
> James Andrewartha
> Network & Projects Engineer
> Christ Church Grammar School
> Claremont, Western Australia
> Ph. (08) 9442 1757
> Mob. 0424 160 877
> 
>> On 14/11/19 7:13 am, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
>> 
>> The question is whether or not the Zoom devices can dial other systems.
>> 
>> If you're getting Zoom across the board, that's fine. But if you can't 
>> participate with other systems, then you've further pigeon hole'd yourself. 
>> 
>> If that makes sense.
>> 
>> The fact that Webex/Microsoft signed a deal is even more weight for Webex 
>> devices.
>> 
>> But I hear what you're saying. If your zoom, hard to say buy webex. ☹
>> 
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
>> 2W1
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>> 
>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Myron Young  
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:52 PM
>> To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
>> Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
>> Subject: Re: Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>> 
>> Thanks for the insight. I will try with the cloud device to test this out 
>> and see if i can convince the powers that be. Otherwise we may be going full 
>> Zoom which I’m not adverse to, but would be very unfamiliar territories. 
>> 
 On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've not had any production experience, only testing.
>>> 
>>> From a cloud registered endpoint perspective, you'll likely be using the 
>>> "Call" button and have to enter the video address of the meeting. You 
>>> shouldn't have any issues.
>>> 
>>> What I don't like is the fact that forwarded meeting invites do not appear 
>>> on the screen and/or show up with a join button.
>>> 
>>> Scenario: Your org is exclusively Webex, but your vendor sends you a Zoom 
>>> invite. They can't book your room. You need to book it yourself. The 
>>> easiest way is to setup your O365 to allow rooms to auto-accept forwarded 
>>> invites (and include all meeting notes). However, the meeting information 
>>> never shows up on the device. I have tried replicating the meeting 
>>> information via copy and paste and I believe that works (now I can't 
>>> remember). My beef was that even forwarded Webex invites don't work!
>>> 
>>> I'm hoping they resolve that soon.
>>> 
>>> You could also consider writing an applet/macro for the device for Zoom, 
>>> etc that asks for a meeting number and tags the domain. 
>>> 
>>> The other thing is, if the far end supports video endpoints, they typically 
>>> support call back as well.
>>> 
>>> The other other thing is, if you download the far end's mobile app, you 
>>> should be able to click on the meeting in your mobile calendar, it launch 
>>> the mobile app, and that should have a "call my video device" option. 
>>> 
>>> All things worth trying...
>>> 
>>> Let us know how you make out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph Room 037 
>>> Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
>>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>>> 
>>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of 
>>> Myron Young
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 4:24 PM
>>> To: cisco-voip voyp list 
>>> Subject: [cisco-voip] Webex room devices with 3rd party meetings
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Anyone has any good experience in joining non-Webex meetings from the Cisco 
>>> roomkit devices? Trying to deploy a standard for conference rooms with 
>>> roomkit devices and touch 10 but need to