Dear Rob et al.,
By rose brass I assume you mean the brass made by Malcolm Rose. I'm
not sure which one you mean, as he appears to have two types: Red brass
(a 90/10 mix of copper and something else, probably mostly zinc) and
English brass (a 70/30 mix of ditto).
I do not carry
Hi all,
Rob MacKillop just sent me a message to repost to this list. As an
owner of the original CD, I highly recommend this music. It is very
generous of him to make the mp3s and score freely available! (The
compositions are about half way down the page.)
AMH
As the record company who
Dear all,
I am proud to announce that I heard from John H. Robinson today that he
has arranged for the Houghton Library at Harvard to make a digital copy
of the complete Otley Cittern Book [US-CAh Mus.181] and for them to
post it on-line on their website for all to see.
The
I'm wondering if anyone knows if there are any depictions of English
guittars -- either woodcuts or engravings -- from contemporary
treatises or music books? I can't recall ever having seen any, but it
doesn't mean they don't exist
I'm looking specifically for line-art -- something that is
nobody can play a music which is almost 300 years
old. In France, at this age, music is public with no more rights.
I am probably wrong, but I don't see well the problem.
Damien
- Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh
s.wa...@ntlworld.com
To: Andrew Hartig cittern2
Dear all,
Some time back Andy Rutherford had told us about a manuscript book
(BMB4) in the Moravian Archives of Bethlehem, PA (USA) for 6-course
cittern, tuned GCEgbe. Andy managed to get over there to take some
photos, and after quite a few emails with the folks at the Moravian
Archives, I
Doc posted this link some time ago:
http://www.guitarraportuguesa.org/
Maybe a place to start?
-Andrew
At 12:25 PM 4/25/2008, Damien Delgrossi wrote:
Hi all,
I'd like to know where can we find portuguese guitars. I don't find
any website of makers, I don't understand. If someone can send
At 02:42 AM 4/8/2008, Kevin Lawton wrote:
[...]However, if the musical notation
has been written well then I feel that a purely
'mechanical' rendering of all the information which
has been written is still a valid performance.
This, I think, is quite different from improvisation
(or
Hi all,
One thing I forgot to add in my previous message is that the other
thing I have tried to do of late is to play music away from the page
as much as possible. Since I have two small children running around
the house now (one is 3 years old, the other just turned 1), I don't
have a lot
Hi all,
A listing of all modern and facsimile editions
(known to me) is available on my site:
http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/editions/ .
Please let me know if there's something I've missed!
To my knowledge there is no modern edition of
Paolo Virchi's work. There is some information
Hi all,
I was looking through the description of microfilms available from
the LSA after reading through Nordstrom's book The Bandora: Its
Music and Sources and found a source not listed by Nordstrom:
[0065] Add. Ms. 3056. The Cosens Lutebook. French tab
for 7 course lute and
Hi all,
For those who are interested, the seller has offered for anyone to
come and take a look at the instrument. In response to some of my
inquiries, he has stated:
I do not think there is anything modern about this but it depends
what your definition of 'modern' is. You are welcome to
At 02:00 PM 3/7/2008, Stuart Walsh wrote:
The seller doesn't seem to know much about the instrument. It's
listed in the mandolin category of Ebay.
I contacted the seller today and pointed him to the Ren. Cittern Site
(which he had not seen). I also mentioned RCM Campi and suggested
that he
Doc hasn't mentioned it, but he has a great set of pictures outlining
the building stages his diatonic cittern by Malcolm Prior, including
the final results. Check it out on his site:
http://www.cetrapublishing.com/citterncafe/?cat=14
Andrew
To get on or off this list see list information
-type instruments which the fellow who has the 'cypher' site has
documented (and refers to as vihuela/guitars) as existing in France,
Germany, Sweden as well as the South in the early 16th c.?
Andrew Hartig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/09/08 10:54 AM
And another, from Reconstructing the consort
lessons
And another, from Reconstructing the consort
lessons of Richard Reade, by Matthew Spring, Lute News 55, June 2000, p.8:
The goods of Robert Mallet, Manciple of St.
Edmund Hall were inventoried on 2 July 1612. In
his 'workhouse' (workshop) was some some
furniture, and '4 orpharions, 5
At 11:58 PM 2/7/2008, Gregory Doc Rossi wrote:
Do we know anything about what a cittern might cost in the 16th, 17th
and 18th centuries?
One indication can be found in Louis Peter Grijp's article, The
Cittern of Sweelinck and Vermeer: Contextual information for the
excavated Zuyderzee citterns,
it to be an elizabethan cittern, but
it is most likely a restoration gittern. With four double courses and only 8
pegs it misses the triple third course that you would expect of an
Elizabethan instrument.
All the best
Mark
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Andrew Hartig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet
Doc,
Out of curiosity, what did you find difficult to get used to?
-A:
At 08:28 AM 2/4/2008, Gregory Doc Rossi wrote:
I like Malcolm Rose iron and brass wire for the upper 4 courses. I've
tried several things for basses, including twisted brass, silk-core
and Savarez Argentines. I think the
Sorry -- I didn't notice since both my browser and anti-virus
programs block pop-ups...
-A:
At 01:22 PM 1/16/2008, you wrote:
Andreew:
Too many pop-ups from that site!
Brad
Andrew Hartig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I just came across a few citterns for sale/sold, including one South
from that page and make the link to Peter's drawing public
(with Peter's permission - ok Peter?) after I've updated the page.
Best,
Andrew
At 09:13 AM 12/1/2007, Peter Forrester wrote:
Dear All,
Andrew Hartig has kindly offered to have a copy of the drawing available on
his website.
Peter
Hi all,
There is a medium-large image of Grammatica's painting on artnet at:
http://www.artnet.com/artwork/425274667/424237643/antiveduto-grammatica-allegory-of-music.html
The painting is also discussed by Joël Dugot and
Florence Gétreau, in their article, Citterns in
French Public
Hi all,
There is a medium-large image of Grammatica's painting on artnet at:
http://www.artnet.com/artwork/425274667/424237643/antiveduto-grammatica-allegory-of-music.html
The painting is also discussed by Joël Dugot and
Florence Gétreau, in their article, Citterns in
French Public
and 3rd frets. I assume
it is some kind of meantone. Am I right? If so, to what temperament do the
frets approximate?
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
PS Sorry my message was accidentally sent to the Lute Net.
- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hartig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: cittern
Italian to verify what particular word was used
(I think it was cetra or cetera).
Any help?
Thanks,
Andrew
From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Andrew Hartig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Timeline,citola,cittern/citara
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:42:34 -0400
Hi Andrew::
I am trying to set up a time
Dear citternphiles,
I am forwarding this message from Juan Sotomayor who is the web
master for the Cuatro Project (http://www.cuatro-pr.org). He is
searching for connections between the Puerto Rican Cuatro and the
cittern-family of instruments.
Please read his request for help below. As he
Dear all,
I thought I would share with you my page recently created about the
Palmer orpharion: http://cittern.theaterofmusic.com/old/palmer.html
In addition, I thought you might be excited to learn that Darryl
Martin has recently completed his technical report and drawings of
the Palmer
I'm mostly certain that it is the Girolamo Virchi=20
instrument in the Kunsthistorisches Museum.=20
http://cittern.theaterofmusic.com/old/ferd.html
The Strad I believe is almost certainly also=20
originally by Virchi. For detailed information,=20
see the article by Jo=EBl Dugot and Florence=20
Does anyone know of lute or consort setting (or other setting?) of a
Green's Almain?
Yesterday I came across this mysterious piece of cittern tablature in
my music stack. I noticed it was in Fronimo format, so I searched my
computer and also found that I had the file! Either I entered it in
Hi all,
I thought I'd let you all know about some significant updates to the
Renaissance Cittern site (there are others, as well, but these are
the big ones).
The first (and possibly most exciting) is a major reworking of the
page on the recently auctioned Christie's cittern (now owned by
To clarify discussion: What I really meant was heated discussion
bordering on argument at times, but I was trying to avoid having to
put it in those exact terms (like I just did), though I suppose
that's about as kosher as any discussion gets...
Sorry for trying to dance lightly,
-Andrew
At
I have not, but I believe it is a Torban? See the site by Roman
Turovsky: http://www.polyhymnion.org/torban/. The same image as the
one in klassiskgitar.net can be found among other images on elsewhere
on Roman's site: http://www.polyhymnion.org/torban/mamai4.html
-Andrew
At 11:01 PM
This whole discussion reminds me just how *old* that section of the
web site is -- probably one of the first pages I made.
I really have to do some updating!
-Andrew
At 03:41 AM 3/7/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote:
here you go ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR1u17K-vx0
plink-plonk -
Hi Paul,
Welcome! There are a few light pieces available on the Renaissance
Cittern Pages at http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/musicfiles/index.html.
While not strictly Elizabethan, Playford's cittern books contain
very easy arrangements (not all of the highest quality!).
There are some
At 12:38 AM 12/4/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He plays a Ceterone by Ugo Casalonga. I have just had a look at his page
and there is no mention of him making what we might call a ceterone. From the
mp3's I could hear on the net, it sounds as through the cittern does
have more
than 4 courses,
At 10:37 AM 12/3/2006, Roger E. Blumberg wrote:
No-one seems to have mentioned Ceterone yet, a theorboed-cittern, twelve
or fourteen courses, pretty well documented since the early 1600's according
to the article at Wikipedia, one tuning is given below
It may not have been mentioned because it
Hi all,
I thought you might want to know that I just posted the latest update
to the Renaissance Cittern Pages. In addition to the usual minor
maintenance, I've made some major updates as well. I have added a new
Audio section to the pages which includes MP3 files and have added
several new
Hi all,
I am trying to update the Links section of my Renaissance Cittern
pages. I would like to include pages of those who play cittern --
Renaissance or otherwise.
If you have a page (or know of one), please drop me a line. I also
need to change the category of Other cittern players to
At 03:56 PM 10/27/2006, you wrote:
Looking at Andrew's table (based on Dolata) and looking at the cents for
the frets given for these three instruments is utterly baffling. Partly
I'm stuck because Andrew's table concerns a 'g' top course and the top
course of a cistre is 'e'. The first fret of a
At 01:49 AM 10/16/2006, you wrote:
Could it be a very high treble cittern?
Probably not. Keep in mind that is a 1/12 scale model. I did some rough
guesstimates based on that size comparasion matchstick in one of the
pictures and the model seems to be based on a fairly standard size
Sorry. Abbreviation for manuscript. (MSS = manuscripts [plural])
-A:
At 12:42 PM 10/16/2006, KEVIN LAWTON wrote:
MS ? ? ?
HWat is 'MS' ?
--- Andrew Hartig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There are actually a few (tentative) references
to the cittern in Iberia on my site, though they may
have
Technology! Since there are two lists (and some of us are members of
both), it appears that a question from the Dartmouth cittern list was
responded to on the cittern builder's list. I have forwarded Peter's
comments
-A:
Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User-Agent:
Hi all,
A listing of wire string suppliers can be found at the bottom of the
page at http://cittern.theaterofmusic.com/makers/
Surely there must be more out there? Let me know if there are some I
missed and I will add them BTW, I don't think the Instrument
Workshop sells twisted
Hi all,
A few years ago someone sent me some photos of a cittern for
inclusion on the Renaissance Cittern site. Unfortunately, due to a
computer crash and other unforeseen circumstances, I lost the
original email in which the maker and/or owner was identified, though
the photos remained with
Hi Chris, et al.,
A list of makers specializing in cittern (many of whom also make
orpharions) can be found on the Renaissance Cittern Site:
http://cittern.theaterofmusic.com/makers/
This page does not include recommendations, however...
Please let me know if you discover any other makers
Hi all,
I mentioned in my other email about the majordomo-based updates list
for the site. I thought I'd send a message to you all in case you are
interested in joining.
The updates list is to notify those who are interested every time the
page gets a major update. I have decided to use it
Hi all,
(I'm afraid that there may be a little bit of duplication for those
who are signed up on the new majordomo-based updates list I now have
for the site. However, since that list is relatively new, I thought
I'd send this out to the cittern list as well, this time only. In the
future, I
Hi all,
I was reminded by one of the members on this list that the links page
on the cittern site is horribly out of date and in need of revision.
So... If you play cittern (or bandora/orpharion), make citterns,
have a web page (ensemble, personal, academic, etc.), have written
articles, or
The page cites Sixt Kargel -- they are orig. 16th c.
The 6 course works would be from Kargel's Toppel Cythar. The 4
course works are probably from Phalese's Hortulus Cytharae, 1570.
Madonna mia pieta shows up twice in that work: once for French
tuning (part I), once for Italian tuning (part
Hi all,
Discussion has been slow, so I thought I'd toss out a question for you all:
Do we have any historical evidence for the type of plectra *actually* used
in the Renaissance? Would quill plectra be used with metal strings (it
seems that they would potentially break, but the fact that they
Hi all:
I have begun once again overhauling and updating the Renaissance Cittern
Page. I have finally finished the first of a few major edits, including
revising the Recordings page. Please come take a look at the newly updated
site if you haven't recently. The url is
The closest match might be from the Neder-Landtsche Gedenck-Clanck by
Adrian Valerius, 1626 (published in Haerlem). The music is for 4c. diatonic
cittern. If memory serves though, many (most?) of the parts are corrupt
(chords built up from the bass notes of the songs, whether or not that bass
Rob (et al):
OMG - I can't believe that Rob's recordings aren't listed! For public
record, Rob HAS been a long time visitor and supporter. I KNOW those
recordings were listed -- I must have lost a page update when my laptop died.
Anyhow, Rob's recordings are great [no, I'm not getting paid to
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