Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Richter
On 30 June 2010 06:33, cageface milese...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 29, 12:54 pm, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: Indeed, there are many nontrivial personas that actively wish for a smaller (or at least not maximally large), more exclusive community. Only a fool would actively wish

Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Richter
On 30 June 2010 11:04, cageface milese...@gmail.com wrote: A language advocate is a salesman. A good salesman knows his product and his audience. A good salesman also doesn't come across as smugly self-satisfied and projecting a sense of superiority. Maybe you need a job in sales for a

Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Richter
On 30 June 2010 11:15, cageface milese...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 29, 6:25 pm, Michael Richter ttmrich...@gmail.com wrote: Are you *trying* to evoke the Smug Lisp Weenie vibe, cageface, or is this just a natural byproduct of being a burgeoning Smug Clojure Weenie? How many times do I

Re: Clojure's n00b attraction problem

2010-06-28 Thread Michael Richter
On 29 June 2010 02:26, cageface milese...@gmail.com wrote: Stuart's book is a big help here but I'm afraid that Clojure is simply over the heads of a lot of noobs anyway. Ah. The Clojure community has already started down the road to Common Lisp-style, smugness-generated obscurity and

Re: The end goal

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Richter
On 23 March 2010 22:43, Joel Martin nos...@martintribe.org wrote: I'll know that this problem is solved when the Setup and Getting Started sections of the main Getting Started page resemble this: - For debian and Ubuntu users: apt-get install clojure For Fedora and CentOS users:

Re: The end goal

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Richter
On 25 March 2010 00:05, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan vu3...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter ttmrich...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know the process, but I'm willing to endure the tedium of packaging clojure for Ubuntu (and by extension Debian

Re: The end goal

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Richter
On 25 March 2010 09:20, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan vu3...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Michael Richter ttmrich...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 March 2010 00:05, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan vu3...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter ttmrich

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Richter
On 23 March 2010 00:13, Luc Préfontaine lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca wrote: I looked at these videos and they are a very good starting point. Then do we have a communication problem getting these things known ? Are these videos listed on the Getting started page ? Let's see if I can get this

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Richter
On 23 March 2010 23:11, Brian Hurt bhur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, cageface milese...@gmail.com wrote: So perhaps it would be worthwhile to create, like jruby, a single zip/ tgz file containing clojure, clojure-contrib, and a reasonable bin/clj file that will find

Re: Why I have chosen not to employ clojure

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Richter
To add the perspective of a true newbie to this dogpile, I'm going to have to say that the OP was just plain wrong. He made a major mistake -- wanting to compile clojure for himself on a platform that's not exactly friendly to Java development in the first place (Slackware, not Linux in general)

Re: Simple functional programming lexicon?

2010-03-19 Thread Michael Richter
Also the Learn you a Haskell for Great Good tutorial is a pretty nice and light-hearted introduction to FP with Haskell which might also help you to understand some of the concepts better: http://learnyouahaskell.com/ If you don't mind taking a detour into the Haskell world, the book Real