Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-25 Thread Softaddicts
A 12 billions market has been created just to address the need for bookkeeping historic data, it's called business intelligence (BI). Never heard of data warehouses and OLAP tools ? Many businesses use these if they can pay for them These things are cumbersome to implement, you have to

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-24 Thread Rostislav Svoboda
I just enjoy the speeches better by standing back a little bit. Actually I'm quite annoyed that Rich doesn't say anything about how important is to be able to forget facts, irreversibly filter things out and reinvent the wheel again. Imagine a huge database full of facts you're simply not

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-24 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Rostislav Svoboda rostislav.svob...@gmail.com writes: I just enjoy the speeches better by standing back a little bit. Actually I'm quite annoyed that Rich doesn't say anything about how important is to be able to forget facts, irreversibly filter things out and reinvent the wheel again.

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-23 Thread vemv
There are few -if any- concepts attached to REST; it is just a low-level, ideologically-neutral technique. There is more than one way to do it, hence you really can't talk 'against' it any more than you can talk against hashmaps, for instance. That said, getting RESTful design right is pretty

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-23 Thread Stuart Halloway
Rich was promoting functional programming. I can see functional programming has its benefits, but you will need mutable states eventually somewhere to do useful things. Functional programming just tell you to constraint yourself when using mutable states. It's not like mutable states are to

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-15 Thread László Török
Hi, in my understanding, RESTful system design (as described in Roy Fielding's dissertation) does not advocate hiding any state behind a bunch of methods. :) In REST, application state is carried by the representation that is passed back and forth between the server and the client. It seems to

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-15 Thread Raoul Duke
i think per HTATEOAS, the methods are baked into the representations that are transferred, as URLs. i mean, you gotta have methods *somewhere* *somehow* that can *do stuff*, in an application-context-sensitive manner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-15 Thread Warren Lynn
Rich was promoting functional programming. I can see functional programming has its benefits, but you will need mutable states eventually somewhere to do useful things. Functional programming just tell you to constraint yourself when using mutable states. It's not like mutable states are to be

Re: Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-15 Thread Timothy Baldridge
It seems to me that a truly RESTful system design is very much in line of what Rich was talking about. This is completely correct. Let's take the common method GET for instance. According to REST philosophy, GETs should be 100% cache-able (and therefore they are actual values). We can disable

Rich's The Value of Values and REST

2012-08-14 Thread Conrad
Hi Everyone... Quick question about Rich's latest talk: In it he eloquently argues that you don't want to systems to communicate with each other by calling each other's methods. Instead it is better to just move values between systems that can also be queued. It occurs to me that RESTful web