@nchubrich
It did go on too long. I hope when someone \does read it, they will
see I am not being wholly unreasonable.
i liked to read through it anyway ...
I was drawn to Clojure because I felt it was another
evolutionary step in programming. I hope I am not wrong.
i feel and hope
Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!
Remove the question mark... or whatever this is...

and you'll be fine.
Whatever WHAT is? There's nothing in your post there but three blank
lines.
Sure there is! ;-)
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I think we need to nail the intro / setup experience and I'm nailing
my colors to Leiningen. I think that needs to be adopted as the
default, standard way to get up and running on Clojure and all the
official tutorials need to be updated to reflect that.
I think getting an experienced
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org wrote:
Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!
Remove the question mark... or whatever this is...

and you'll be fine.
Whatever WHAT is? There's nothing in your post there but three blank
lines.
Sure there is! ;-)
Hi
I am new to both vagrant and ruby. I followed the steps in the readme up to
step 3 .. but after running vagrant up I get
/var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/vagrant-0.7.6/bin/vagrant:2:in `require': no such
file to load -- vagrant (LoadError)
from /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/vagrant-0.7.6/bin/vagrant:2
can
Thanks, the command you wrote indeed works, but I cant get it to work
for just 'some' function I defined in the repl.
Here's my repl transcript, let me know what I'm doing wrong
user= (def f (let [a 5] (fn [x] (+ x a
#'user/f
user= (f 6)
11
user= (read-string (with-out-str (source f)))
Source
Oded,
If you look at the source of source .. you will notice that the source is
not stored in the meta information but it just picks up the filename and
line-number form the meta info of the function and reads the corresponding
files to obtain the source..
This would not be possible if you
On 7 July 2011 09:10, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org wrote:
Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!
Remove the question mark... or whatever this is...

and you'll be fine.
Whatever WHAT is? There's nothing in
I'm interested too. Just sent in my CA from Australia, so hopefully
shouldn't be too long.
I think I looked through the essays briefly when this was first posted,
I coincidentally
am working through the The Art of the Metaobject Protocol right now.
+1 on an update please :)
Ambrose
On Thu, Jul
Antonio,
The only way I've found to scroll back in screen is to enter copy mode: ^A[
and then use vi-ish keystrokes to scroll up and down.
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From: Antonio Recio amdx6...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
To: clojure@googlegroups.com
Our codebase is 6.8k kloc of production code, 4k of test code. We use
emacs, slime+swank to develop.
The editor is great, REPL is great. But lacking debuging and
refactoring support is a pain.
On Jul 3, 9:26 am, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote:
Ideally, I was hoping to start a
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:42 AM, nchubrich nchubr...@gmail.com wrote:
* Since Lisp is highly extensible, in the long run being
'prescriptive' is a losing battle. It is better to eventually add
standard 'bad' features to the language than to tempt third parties to
do it in even worse and
It may be that I am really talking about the website (clojure.org, not
any of the auxiliary ones, which are a bit of a mess in themselves)
more than the language itself. If people receive the \right
instructions, setting up Emacs/Leiningen/Web servers etc. is actually
not so hard. The
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:42 AM, nchubrich nchubr...@gmail.com wrote:
...
* It also can do a better job of attracting and retaining core
contributors. I cited an example of someone who posted a patch to
make refs persistent. She ended up being ignored, and left for
Erlang. But Clojure
I've been busy optimizing core.logic so I haven't been actively working on
this. However I did get some basic bits working here:
https://github.com/swannodette/match/blob/master/src/match/core.clj
You can see that columns are selected by necessity. It's promising though
there's quite a bit more
On Jul 7, 6:42 am, nchubrich nchubr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll try :) It was really a polemical post for a polemical thread,
but my main points can be extracted here. Feel free to read as many
or as few of them as you are inclined
nchubrich, I've read your original post in its entirely, so
On Jul 7, 8:09 am, nchubrich nchubr...@gmail.com wrote
(As for Steve Yeggeis he reading all this?if he's totally
wrong, then of course people should feel free to disagree with him,
and forget about the consequences. But if he happens to be \right,
and I do think he mostly is, then
For instance, a little while ago I was corresponding with someone who
had released a patch to Clojure. (This was Alyssa Kwan, in case you
want to look up the thread.) Her patch made refs persistent to
disksomething that seemed very much in the spirit of Clojure.
Dealing with disk
On Jul 6, 2011, at 10:06 PM, nchubrich wrote:
And as to improving
documentation, how is one to go about doing it? This would be an
excellent area to have some community effort on, especially from
relative beginners, and that is an itch I would not mind scratching.
Stuart Halloway
This gives me a reason to try Heroku!
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Setting up PuTTY and the vagrant.ppk file (according to the page you
mentioned) helps. PuTTY successfully gives me a vagrant@natty session
*but* vagrant ssh doesn't behave any differently -- so I can't tell
if this is fine or if I'm missing something.
Also, if I type emacs at the prompt, I get
emacs24 should be installed. My suggestion would be to delete the vm
and restart. Perhaps not having putty broke the initial install? If it
breaks, please send the full output of the console with what is
broken.
-justin
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:30 AM, nil ache...@gmail.com wrote:
Setting up
I think Yegge clarified in a follow-up post that what he really meant
to say was say yes to USERS, not say yes to FEATURES, but in his
typical off-the-cuff ranty writing style, he had accidentally
conflated the two.
As far as saying yes to every feature, I think that is obviously not a
great
Thank you, Logan, you put it very well. You're absolutely right there
can be an inherent instinct against user-friendliness in open-source
software, as well as a kind of hierarchyand you've identified the
source and nature of it, I think. The response to this is not to try
to become
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Stuart Halloway
stuart.hallo...@gmail.com wrote:
(1) Edit and improve the official
docs: http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Getting+Started
I think one sticking point here is that there are (so far) seven
IDEs/editors listed and five build tools. For a n00b,
On Jul 7, 8:03 pm, logan duskli...@gmail.com wrote:
This poisonous attitude is perfectly exemplified in this thread by
James Keats.
I completely disagree with your mis-characterization and invite you to
read again what I had maintained:
- I had implored that technical arguments alone should
Stu---
Thanks for the links. I took a look at clojure dev and signed up. I
don't see any way to editdoes that happen after I mail in the
Contributor agreement? It does seem a little medieval to have to mail
it in.
Clojure dev though doesn't seem like such a direct way of improving
This code
(defn ret-odd
[seq-val]
(if (not (nil? seq-val))
(if (odd? seq-val)
seq-val)))
(def my-seq '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9))
(map ret-odd my-seq)
finds the odd numbers, but also returns nil. How do I find just the
odd numbers?
Thanks.
cmn
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:27 PM, octopusgrabbus octopusgrab...@gmail.com wrote:
This code
(defn ret-odd
[seq-val]
(if (not (nil? seq-val))
(if (odd? seq-val)
seq-val)))
(def my-seq '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9))
(map ret-odd my-seq)
finds the odd numbers, but also returns nil. How do
Many thanks.
I've clearly got to get better acquainted with various functions.
On Jul 7, 4:30 pm, Allen Johnson akjohnso...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:27 PM, octopusgrabbus octopusgrab...@gmail.com
wrote:
This code
(defn ret-odd
[seq-val]
(if (not (nil? seq-val))
What does this mean exactly?
sequential?
function
Usage: (sequential? coll)
Returns true if coll implements Sequential
from
http://clojure.github.com/clojure/clojure.core-api.html#clojure.core/sequential
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On Jul 7, 8:35 pm, nchubrich nchubr...@gmail.com wrote
someone whose name I can't remember right now
once said, There are no bad students, only bad teachers.
There are three good books already and more on the way (I look forward
to Clojure in Action later this month), there are excellent
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:48 PM, octopusgrabbus octopusgrab...@gmail.com wrote:
What does this mean exactly?
sequential?
function
Usage: (sequential? coll)
Returns true if coll implements Sequential
from
http://clojure.github.com/clojure/clojure.core-api.html#clojure.core/sequential
What it means exactly is that there is an interface called Sequential
(defined in
https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/jvm/clojure/lang/Sequential.java)
that some other interfaces and abstract classes implement or extend, and
some clojure data structures that you use implement or
Salut Christophe,
Am 02.07.2011 um 22:07 schrieb Christophe Grand:
my 2 cents,
Understatement!
Thank you for the clarifications. I wrote them up with an example (hopefully)
illustrating the issue. http://bit.ly/nOHgle
Cordialement
Meikel
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Thank you for the explanations. I saw sequential in an example out on
the web. At first, I thought it had something to do with the ordering
of a sequence's elements.
cmn
On Jul 7, 5:22 pm, Mark Rathwell mark.rathw...@gmail.com wrote:
What it means exactly is that there is an interface called
Hi,
Am 07.07.2011 um 21:54 schrieb Sean Corfield:
I think one sticking point here is that there are (so far) seven
IDEs/editors listed and five build tools. For a n00b, that's too much
choice.
I'm always bewildered by this argument. What has a newbie to choose here? Of
course he uses what
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
(defn array? [x] (and x (contains? (set (.getName (.getClass x))) \[)))
(defn seqable? [x]
(or
(coll? x)
(nil? x)
(instance? java.util.Collection x)
(instance? java.util.Map x)
(instance? java.util.Set
I'm always bewildered by this argument. What has a newbie to choose here? Of
course he uses what he's used to. Many Java devs probably want one of the
IDEs they already know. Old-time Lispers use emacs.
I think it's a question of style and how to present the information
(which is why it
A couple ideas:
1.) I used to do something simple: (map (juxt :name :arglists :doc) (map #(meta
(second %)) (ns-publics 'clojure.core)))
I'd then take that output and use hiccup to make a big html file that I could
then print. You could pdf-ize that easily.
2.)
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Meikel Brandmeyer m...@kotka.de wrote:
I'm always bewildered by this argument. What has a newbie to choose here? Of
course he uses what he's used to. Many Java devs probably want one of the
IDEs they already know. Old-time Lispers use emacs.
And yet the #1 FAQ
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Feng Shen shen...@gmail.com wrote:
But lacking debuging and
refactoring support is a pain.
In case you're not familiar with these (not saying they're full-featured):
https://github.com/pallet/ritz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_L51ID36w4
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
(defn array? [x] (and x (contains? (set (.getName (.getClass x))) \[)))
(defn seqable? [x]
(or
(coll? x)
(nil? x)
(instance?
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting, but there is still going to be a performance issue for
the perhaps-common case of testing a non-seqable for seqability: in
that case, it will do the reflective check for isArray and it won't
use the protocol to
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote:
(extend-type Object
ISeqable
(seqable? [x]
(let [c (.getClass x)]
(if (.isArray c)
(do
(extend-type (.getClass x)
ISeqable
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
... it won't use the protocol to cache the result. Making it do so,
however,
would cause problems if one had (seqable? some-foo) and later attempted
On Jul 7, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:
And yet the #1 FAQ we see on lists and reflected in blog posts is
about getting Clojure up and running... We see Java developers,
committed to their favorite IDE, still asking Should I install /
learn Emacs? We see old-time Lispers, happy with
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:06 AM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
... it won't use the protocol to cache the result. Making it do so,
however,
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Lee Spector lspec...@hampshire.edu wrote:
On Jul 7, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:
And yet the #1 FAQ we see on lists and reflected in blog posts is
about getting Clojure up and running... We see Java developers,
committed to their favorite IDE, still
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