and help where we can. Probably
best to ask on our mailing lists as everyone in eng monitors the user
and dev lists:
http://www.terracotta.org/confluence/display/wiki/Mailing+Lists
Alex Miller
On Oct 18, 7:50 am, Rich Hickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Luc
of an immutable data structure that won't be an issue. Sorry
for the confusion...
Alex
On Oct 19, 7:07 pm, Alex Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rich, I'm the tech lead for the transparency team at Terracotta and
this is not exactly correct. For example, while you can read
clustered state outside
+hashing).
Once we reach completion we'll release an RC for final testing.
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I do not think this is a bug. Spit takes string content and puts it in a file.
I do not expect it to modify that string. It's up to you to create the proper
string.
Alex
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PrintWriter has a different api than spit. PrintWriter has the ability to
print objects and also the ability to println objects. When printing a
line, it inserts the host-specific new line characters. If you print a
String with PrintWriter, it will be exactly the string you tell it (new
lines
You might find tools.trace useful for examining a form as it is executed.
https://github.com/clojure/tools.trace
On Monday, November 25, 2013 6:55:27 AM UTC-6, Andy Smith wrote:
Hi,
I am new to clojure and I was wondering if there is a macro I can use to
fully expand all symbols and
I added a link here http://clojure.org/clojureclr to the binary download
wiki page. I'm happy to update this page in whatever way people find useful
- feel free to ping me on email David, Frank, or others.
On Monday, November 25, 2013 12:48:51 PM UTC-6, Frank Hale wrote:
Are there any plans
Realizing a lazy sequence incurs overhead on every item. Chunked seqs amortize
that cost by realizing a chunk of items at a time giving you better overall
performance at the cost of less laziness.
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It would help to know what your real goal is, but compiled Clojure does not
retain the original source form.
One hook you do have though is macros which will be invoked prior to
compilation. At macro execution time, you have access to the special form
var which is the original form (as a
enhancement discussion (perhaps here, perhaps jira,
can't find it now) to have functions retain their source definition at
runtime. I'm not sure how that would be possible without significantly
affecting performance and memory footprint however.
On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:01:57 PM UTC, Alex
reductions on rest?
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Two follow-ups categorizing results from the missing language and
weaknesses questions:
http://tech.puredanger.com/2013/11/19/state-of-clojure-language-features/
http://tech.puredanger.com/2013/12/01/clj-problems/
Alex
On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:32:56 PM UTC-6, Chas Emerick wrote:
Actually, I'd say seqs are very much *unlike* iterators in other languages
(Java in particular).
Iterators - stateful cursors that conflate iteration with a check for
whether more elements exist
Seqs - immutable persistent views of a collection that separate iteration
from checking for more
Both contains? and get should work with transient sets imo.
This is already in jira: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-700.
Alex
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 5:04:40 AM UTC-6, Burt wrote:
Does contains? and get not work with transient sets?
Examples:
(contains? #{1 2 3} 1)
; =
I would expect others to be either nil or a non-empty seq (never empty) but
empty? will return true on a nil, so that still works. I would have swapped
the cases and used seq as the test.
However, without really reading this too closely, I'd guess the real
problem is that you want to (apply
:20 AM UTC-6, Las wrote:
cool! hope the patch is good for 1.6! :)
2013/12/4 Alex Miller al...@puredanger.com javascript:
Both contains? and get should work with transient sets imo.
This is already in jira: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-700.
Alex
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 5
I don't think there's any good reason for sets not to support the default
arg. Vector is a little weird due to the index nature of the keys but could
be done. If you want to file tickets for these, I don't think anything is
in the system on it already. I would separate sets and vectors into two
You might find this useful:
http://blog.8thlight.com/colin-jones/2010/12/05/clojure-libs-and-namespaces-require-use-import-and-ns.html
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If you're starting with lein repl then I would expect errors to be printed at
the console - that's the actual process running the code. It's also possible
that the thread's untaught exception handler doesn't print. I know that the
expectation for async go blocks is that you should catch and
Clojure/West will be in San Francisco this year. We are working on a
contract for the last week in March but this IS NOT YET a firm date. We
will of course post here when we have a date/venue details. I expect the
CFP to open in early January.
Alex
On Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:20:29 AM
blip.tv killed the Clojure account. Many of the videos were moved to
YouTube under the ClojureTV account:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ClojureTV
I suspect this is the talk you're referring to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGVqrGmwOAw
On Monday, December 16, 2013 2:44:53 AM UTC-6, Abhijith
All talks were recorded. All editing is complete. The bottleneck right now
is in just getting them uploaded which should clear up soon after the
holidays.
Alex
On Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:25:07 PM UTC-6, Richard Cole wrote:
Were any videos of the presentations made? Have they been
One difficulty with this approach (which I largely following on a similar
operation a while back) is that the modular counterparts have continued
forward and in many cases are not API-compatible with the 1.2 version
anymore (tools.cli is one example that I remember from this transition as
its
Which page had the link?
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Generally collection functions like conj, assoc, nth, get take the collection
as the first arg and return a collection of the same type.
The majority of the functions in the core lib are sequence functions working at
a higher abstraction level - they take a seqable thing, call seq on it, and
for the delayed response.
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I have a task on my infinite todo list to analyze these load times. I know that
Tim B has done a bit of work on it in the past too. Rich has mentioned it to me
a couple times so I know it's something he's concerned about.
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Maybe http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1208 ?
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I would not use an atom. Think about it as doing a reduce while passing
along a set of the names you've seen so far. You might also look at the
implementation of distinct in clojure.core which is similar (you want to
detect duplicates in the same way, but emit new names instead of omitting
forward to it.
Talks will be presented in two tracks
Does this mean there will be two stages/presentations at a time?
On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:01:13 PM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
At long last, we have finalized the plans for Clojure/West 2014!
Site: http://clojurewest.org
Date
From my perspective, a buffer is below the abstraction level of a channel.
If you want a channel with special behavior, it seems like you should
implement a channel.
On Monday, January 13, 2014 10:47:22 PM UTC-6, t x wrote:
I am aware of:
DroppingBuffer and SliddingBuffer
I would like
Two notes:
1)The provided core.async go-loop macro is a small enhancement for the (go
(loop )) case.
2) Be careful using when using falsey tests like when or if - these will
stop on nil but will also stop on false coming through the channel. Might
be ok here, but it's something to be aware of.
I think I would change the sender to elide whatever parts you don't want to
send rather than mess with the receiver.
On Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:11:02 AM UTC-6, t x wrote:
Hi,
Right now if I do (clojure.edn/read-string ...) on a string with a
unreadable part, I get an exception.
Further, in Clojure = 1.5.1, (= 1M 1.0M) = false. Please note, this
behavior has changed in 1.6.
On Monday, January 6, 2014 12:21:13 PM UTC-6, Justin Kramer wrote:
Shot in the dark: check that arguments passed to your memoized functions
use consistent typing. A BigDecimal such as 1M does not
You can definitely call functions, just not ones use the channel ops. The
recommendation is to keep the io ops inside the go block and pull your
logic into external functions.
There are two benefits to this approach:
1) You keep all the impure io stuff together in the go block while putting
I have some sympathy for this view of things as it was a question I had
while learning Clojure as well.
The general justification for the current behavior is that the thing being
bound is always on the left and the expression defining it is always on the
right.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014
Clojure/West http://www.clojurewest.org/ registration opened yesterday:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/clojurewest-2014-tickets-10153269703
Unfortunately the early bird tickets have already sold out before I was
able to post this, but regular registration tickets are $415.
If you are interested in
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:19:08 PM UTC-6, Stefan Kanev wrote:
On 18/01/14, Alex Miller wrote:
I have some sympathy for this view of things as it was a question I had
while learning Clojure as well.
The general justification for the current behavior is that the thing
being
Might be a good topic for a Clojure/West submission
https://cognitect.wufoo.com/forms/clojurewest-2014-call-for-presentations/
On Monday, January 20, 2014 9:31:50 AM UTC-6, Zach Oakes wrote:
Today I'm releasing play-clj https://github.com/oakes/play-clj, a
Clojure wrapper for LibGDX that
core.match can do some of this. https://github.com/clojure/core.match
data.zip has some extensions beyond zip that are useful (although a lot of
what's there is cast in terms of xml-handling uses):
https://github.com/clojure/data.zip
I have rolled variants of this a few times, mostly using
If you're interested in submitting a talk to Clojure/West in San Francisco,
March 24-26, time is running out!
CFP: https://cognitect.wufoo.com/forms/clojurewest-2014-call-for-presentations/
Other useful links:
Site: http://clojurewest.org
Registration:
, January 30, 2014 11:13:56 AM UTC-5, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
Thanks to the work and thought of Mark Engelberg, Alex Miller, Rich
Hickey, myself, and likely several others who I should be naming here but
am forgetting, the latest (not yet released) Clojure master version has an
improved hash
Daniel, I'd be happy to help as an administrator, particularly if you can
provide some guidance from previous years. I can also help re getting
students to conferences.
Alex
On Monday, February 3, 2014 1:59:24 PM UTC-6, Daniel Solano Gómez wrote:
Hello, all,
Apparently, it's already time
Hello, as we approach the end game for Clojure 1.6 and start looking
forward to the next release, now is a good time to look at the existing
ticket backlog and vote on things that are important to you.
Andy's weighted ticket vote report is a good place to start - it includes
all tickets currently
Others have answered with many useful bits but I would mention that it
would possibly make a significant performance difference if you added this
to your code:
(set! *unchecked-math* true)
On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:17:13 AM UTC-6, Glen Fraser wrote:
(sorry if you received an earlier
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Also:
(defn g ^double [^double x] (+ (Math/sin (* 2.3 x)) (Math/cos (* 3.7
x
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Alex Miller
al...@puredanger.comjavascript:
wrote:
Others have answered with many useful bits but I would mention that it
would possibly make
next() should return either the remaining seq or null (think Clojure
function next)
more() should return either the remaining seq or empty list (like Clojure
function rest)
Inside Clojure, most seqs extend ASeq, which implements more() on top of
the abstract next():
public ISeq more(){
This might be an interesting area for a Google Summer of Code project if
someone would be willing to mentor such a thing and come up with a
high-level plan.
http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Project+Ideas
On Friday, February 7, 2014 3:51:29 PM UTC-6, Curtis Gagliardi wrote:
Hey
I'd say there is a range of public-ness to the internals of Clojure.
- The new Clojure API (clojure.java.api.Clojure) is an official public API
for external callers of Clojure. This API basically consists of ways to
resolve vars and invoke functions.
- For Clojure users in Clojure, pretty much
..
It might be a good implementation option to put the public parts of
these interfaces in the clojure.java.api package, and have the internal
Clojure interfaces / classes in clojure.lang inherit from these.
On Wednesday, 12 February 2014 08:11:18 UTC+8, Alex Miller wrote:
I'd say
I think it's a little more subtle than that. Symbols are composed of a
String name and a String namespace. When symbols are created they intern
each of those Strings. Interned Strings are comparable by identity across
the JVM. Symbol equals() compares name and namespace. Keyword extends from
that loads the same Keyword class. You can ask the Keyword
classes you have for their classloader and then look through the parents to
investigate that question.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:32:07 PM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
I think it's a little more subtle than that. Symbols
](http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1328)
Empty primitive vectors throw NPE on .equals with non-vector
sequential types
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Hey Howard,
Same story as always - when we moved into the 1.6 release train, we
basically stopped putting new tickets into work so that we could stabilize
the release. That process has taken longer than I expected.
My expectation is that:
1) All of you will try out 1.6.0-beta1 as soon as
On Friday, February 14, 2014 2:27:49 PM UTC-6, DomKM wrote:
Great changes! I have a question about #5.
5) New some operations
Many conditional functions rely on logical truth (where falsey
values are nil or false). Sometimes it is useful to have functions
that rely on not nilness
Thanks! Great to hear positive benchmark results. I'd guess that if you did
(count (distinct (map hash your-set))) you'd see that was a lot smaller than
(count your-set) in 1.5.1 indicating hash collisions.
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I'd agree with all that. One place we've seen nil but not false become more
prevalent lately is in core.async. Channels reserve special meaning for nil
(closed) but false is a valid channel value. So if-some and when-some are
particularly useful in go loops that take from a channel. There are a
truthy? = identity
falsey? = not
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You should try transients if you're looking to quickly fill collections -
you might not even need to split up the work this way.
On Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:06:24 PM UTC-6, Jules wrote:
Guys,
I've been playing with reducers on and off for a while but have been
frustrated because they
It is too late, but an enhancement jira would be appropriate. I would
highly encourage some generative tests in such a patch and perhaps looking
at https://github.com/ztellman/collection-check. With simple.check moving
into contrib as test.check, we expect to be able to use test.check within
for doubt.
This:
(some? false) ;; = true
Would confuse me. On the other hand this:
(not-nil? false) ;; = true
Would not.
There's really no need to complicate the naming story here. It's also
easy to remember!
On Friday, February 14, 2014 3:25:36 PM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote
FYI, as of Clojure 1.6, you will use the clojure.java.api.Clojure class to
obtain vars instead of RT.
http://clojure.github.io/clojure/javadoc/clojure/java/api/Clojure.html
But I would actually recommend creating a Java interface that looks just
how want it, and then implement that interface
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Re the discussion around some?/if-some/when-some...
Summarizing feedback here:
1) some? has a confusion with some (but some congruence with some-,
some-)
2) other names might be better (not-nil?, nnil?, exists?, value?)
3) if-some and when-some lack the word let to clue you into their binding
Hi Jonathan,
I provided the Clojure pull request btw. I think Rob's explanation is
correct.
Alex
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:20:46 AM UTC-6, Rob Day wrote:
It looks like an improvement in clojure.lang.BigInt over
java.math.BigInteger - BigInt's add() method seems to do a long + long
Clojure 1.6.0-beta1 is now available.
Try it via
- Download: http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojure/1.6.0-beta2
- Leiningen: [org.clojure/clojure 1.6.0-beta2]
See the full change log here:
https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md
Clojure 1.6.0-beta2 has the
That first line should be 1.6.0-beta2 of course. :)
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
Clojure 1.6.0-beta1 is now available.
Try it via
- Download:
http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojure/1.6.0-beta2
- Leiningen: [org.clojure/clojure 1.6.0
I would appreciate a jira enhancement ticket for this.
Alex
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I have not heard of any regressions or other critical issues with beta2. If
you know of anything, please let me know asap - we plan to release RC1 soon.
Alex
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:39:28 PM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
That first line should be 1.6.0-beta2 of course. :)
On Thursday
Clojure 1.6.0-RC1 is now available.
Try it via
- Download: http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojure/1.6.0-RC1
- Leiningen: [org.clojure/clojure 1.6.0-RC1]
See the full change log here:
https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md
Clojure 1.6.0-RC1 has the following
In the let case, the *pool* will be tagged with the proper type so the
ambiguity is detected.
In the def case, the *pool* will be seen as an object and the compiler is
just deferring to reflection at runtime to figure it out. If you turn on
*warn-on-reflection*, you'll see a reflection warning
Sorry for the deep storage reply - this was just referenced from a ticket
and I didn't realize it was super old. :)
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:44:36 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
In the let case, the *pool* will be tagged with the proper type so the
ambiguity is detected.
In the def case
Clojure/West is coming up very soon! We have a great program lined up, and
are pleased that we can now announce that *John Hughes*, co-inventor of
Haskell and QuickCheck will be doing the keynote.
Tickets for both the conference and the pre-conference training (Clojure,
ClojureScript, and
Agreed with all the comments on this so far. I would also say that dotimes
is slower than loop for stuff like this so I would also make that change.
(defn inplace-xor [^bytes a ^bytes b ^bytes out]
(let [len (alength a)]
(loop [i 0]
(when ( i len)
(aset-byte out i (bit-xor
, Michael Gardner wrote:
On Mar 13, 2014, at 07:34 , Alex Miller al...@puredanger.comjavascript:
wrote:
Agreed with all the comments on this so far. I would also say that
dotimes is slower than loop for stuff like this so I would also make that
change.
The dotimes version is slightly faster
Hello all,
We would love to release Clojure 1.6.0 final soon.
We need your help in checking out the current release candidate - this is
your opportunity to let us know about problems *before* we release, rather
than after.
Try it via
- Download:
Thanks Andrey! You are the wind beneath my wings.
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:28:03 AM UTC-5, Andrey Antukh wrote:
All test passes on my projects! It works fine for me!
Thanks!
2014-03-18 15:21 GMT+01:00 Alex Miller al...@puredanger.com javascript:
:
Hello all,
We would love
Thanks Michael! You're the hops in my ale.
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:22:15 PM UTC-5, Michael Klishin wrote:
2014-03-18 18:21 GMT+04:00 Alex Miller al...@puredanger.com javascript:
:
We need your help in checking out the current release candidate - this is
your opportunity to let us
changes). Easy enough to fix once 1.6.0
actually ships.
David
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Alex Miller
al...@puredanger.comjavascript:
wrote:
Thanks Michael! You're the hops in my ale.
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:22:15 PM UTC-5, Michael Klishin wrote:
2014-03-18 18:21 GMT+04
I'm pleased to note that Lambda Jam (http://www.lambdajam.com) will return
to Chicago this year on July 22-23rd. Lambda Jam is designed to appeal to
the increasing group of programmers using FP in industry with a particular
focus on Clojure, Scala, Erlang, Haskell, and F#. The conference is also
- thanks for all the
hard work on this release.
ken.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Alex Miller
al...@puredanger.comjavascript:
wrote:
Hello all,
We would love to release Clojure 1.6.0 final soon.
We need your help in checking out the current release candidate
, Alex Miller
al...@puredanger.comjavascript:
wrote:
Thanks Ken! You're the cheese on my nachos.
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:45:46 PM UTC-5, Ken Barber wrote:
We had some bugs related to assumed ordering in our code which
1.6.0-RC1 surfaced (https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetdb/pull/887
passes.
Ambrose
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Alex Miller
al...@puredanger.comjavascript:
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Yeah, that's a thing. I think the name was chosen intentionally to be the
same across those as cljs had it first.
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:29:04 PM UTC-5, Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant
What Clojure version are you on?
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record scratch what's that about performance now?
Is that something definitive and reproducible? And if so, is there any way to
track down a cause?
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On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:28:18 AM UTC-5, Nicola Mometto wrote:
I'm guessing it's because of the minor overhead on hashing added with
the move to Murmur3?
Alex Miller writes:
record scratch what's that about performance now?
Is that something definitive
Thanks, this is all really useful. I would appreciate any more detailed
info.
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:15:35 AM UTC-5, Stefan Kamphausen wrote:
Hi,
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:55:22 PM UTC+1, Michał Marczyk wrote:
Hashes are cached for Clojure collections, keywords and symbols,
. Will
be in presumed RC2.
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:26:51 AM UTC-5, Stefan Kamphausen wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:34:45 PM UTC+1, Alex Miller wrote:
Thanks, this is all really useful. I would appreciate any more detailed
info.
* No atoms, agents, refs
* Almost purely
And thanks everyone for giving RC1 a look. You are (collectively) the
fortune in my fortune cookie.
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case depends on hashCode, not hasheq, so should be unaffected by these changes.
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, March 19, 2014 4:14:38 PM UTC-4, Alex Miller wrote:
Rich just pushed a change to the String hashing to address this. We're
going to grab the string hashcode (which is cached after first call)
and
murmur the result of that. This gives us constant time hashcode after
first
call
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Alex Miller
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:08:41 PM UTC-5, Marcus Blankenship wrote:
Hi Folks,
I'm a post technical PM who's fascinated by Clojure, and want to learn it,
but am having a hard time without a real project to work on. It's
actually excited me so much I'm considering hanging up my
helpful...
Is there a clojure-noobs list?
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 20, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Alex Miller al...@puredanger.comjavascript:
wrote:
Hi Marcus,
Some great problem sites that can provide opportunities for practice:
- http://clojurescriptkoans.com/ (I think everything here
Clojure 1.6.0-RC2 is now available.
Try it via
- Download: http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojure/1.6.0-RC2
- Leiningen: [org.clojure/clojure 1.6.0-RC2]
See the full change log here:
https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md
Clojure 1.6.0-RC2 has the following
That's pretty weird.
1.6.0-RC2 is out now - I would really appreciate it if you could give it a
shot.
Alex
On Friday, March 21, 2014 5:51:14 PM UTC-5, Stefan Kamphausen wrote:
Hi,
after two days of git bisecting and running my tests over and over again,
I give up. While I can
Stefan, how do these numbers compare to RC1? Is RC2 better than RC1?
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:32:53 AM UTC-5, Stefan Kamphausen wrote:
Hi,
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:52:00 AM UTC+1, Alex Miller wrote:
That's pretty weird.
that's pretty true.
1.6.0-RC2 is out now - I would
Clojure 1.6.0-RC3 is now available.
Try it via
- Download: http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojure/1.6.0-RC3
- Leiningen: [org.clojure/clojure 1.6.0-RC3]
See the full change log here:
https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/changes.md
Clojure 1.6.0-RC3 has the following
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