Sweden has some things going for it, and some not, as always. I think
business overall is somewhat less cutthroat here than in the States, which
is why it struck me that I might be making assumptions about what OP should
or should not do out of ignorance of his situation. The scape goat
+ Grammar. I should not write correspondence before having coffee.
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:31:42 AM UTC+2, Henrik Eneroth wrote:
Sweden has some things going for it, and some not, as always. I think
business overall is somewhat less cutthroat here than in the States, which
is why it
Thanks for all the great advice. I think it really reinforces another thing
I like about Clojure, that it has a wonderful community.
One idea that's come up several times is the notion that if we push Clojure
then any problems we have will get blamed on Clojure, and unfortunately
this rings true
+1 same weakness + big fingers on
small iPhone keyboard :(
Urgent need for a second one...
We choose Clojure in 2008 strictly for efficiency.
In 2009 after being in prod, we were told that hiring would be a major problem.
We dealt with this noise by accepting the fact
that we will train people.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 03:37:40AM -0700, aboy021 wrote:
Is Clojure a suitable language for a company that needs to grow
quickly?
If a company wants to be able to hire staff and get them up to
speed, as well as have options for bringing in contractors and
outsourcing some work, is Clojure a
If a company wants to be able to hire staff and get them up to speed, as
well as have options for bringing in contractors and outsourcing some work,
is Clojure a good choice?
My friend works in a project which is being rewritten from Rails to Clojure
(due to usual scaling problems with
If a company wants to be able to hire staff and get them up to speed, as
well as have options for bringing in contractors and outsourcing some work,
is Clojure a good choice?
My friend works in a project which is being rewritten from Rails to
Clojure (due to usual scaling problems with
On Aug 21, 2014, at 1:48 AM, Arthur Boyer arthur.bo...@gmail.com wrote:
One idea that's come up several times is the notion that if we push Clojure
then any problems we have will get blamed on Clojure, and unfortunately this
rings true to me. At the same time, my boss is keen on choosing one
Call me old-fashioned, but this seems like not the best way to
approach choosing a language. It should be chosen pragmatically, by
considering what works best for the task at hand, not because of
arbitrarily set rules, and never because a language is new and
exciting. Good programming techniques
Is Clojure a suitable language for a company that needs to grow quickly?
If a company wants to be able to hire staff and get them up to speed, as
well as have options for bringing in contractors and outsourcing some work,
is Clojure a good choice?
We've had trouble finding Clojure devs, and
Have you read Paul Graham's *beating the averages
http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html*? I find it absolutely amazing, but
one of the reasons that Clojure is such a phenomenal choice, if you can
deal with the incidental complexity around it, is that it still is a
somewhat non-obvious choice.
My advice on convincing your boss to use Clojure for a new project: don’t.
Projects succeed or fail for any number of different reasons, but I can
guarantee you that if you *start* a new project with Clojure, and it does
happen to fail, then the choice of Clojure will bear the brunt of the
aboy021 arthur.bo...@gmail.com writes:
We've had trouble finding Clojure devs, and others have complained of how
hard it is to learn Clojure and read the code from open source projects,
especially for those with backgrounds in languages like C++.
I think Clojure should be a good fit for
On 20/08/2014 14:09, Phillip Lord wrote:
When I got my first Java job, I had no experience at it; day one was
popping into town to buy a how to program Java book.
Actually, I had very little experience and no qualifications in
programming at all; perhaps the world was a different place then.
Good reasons
here http://www.quora.com/Clojure/Why-would-someone-learn-Clojure
On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:37:41 AM UTC-7, aboy021 wrote:
Is Clojure a suitable language for a company that needs to grow quickly?
If a company wants to be able to hire staff and get them up to speed, as
Perhaps the question is more Is your boss (or company) suitable for
Clojure?
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Joshua Ballanco jball...@gmail.com wrote:
My advice on convincing your boss to use Clojure for a new project: don’t.
Projects succeed or fail for any number of different reasons, but
+1 to Joshua's answer. If you want to make sure that Clojure never gets used,
convince your boss to try it and then fail to meet expectations for ANY reason.
One thing I know, poor Clojure will take all the blame and be booted from the
company.
When my company was young, I convinced my
To add a data point to this, while the technology is great, it is not
necessarily right for all companies at all lifecycle stages.
My experience has been that C++ skills and interests don't necessarily
translate directly to Clojure. The kinds of microdecisions one makes in
modeling, algorithm
gvim gvi...@gmail.com writes:
On 20/08/2014 14:09, Phillip Lord wrote:
When I got my first Java job, I had no experience at it; day one was
popping into town to buy a how to program Java book.
Actually, I had very little experience and no qualifications in
programming at all; perhaps the
I'd agree with this.
A closely held (financially) company with a small team of very bright
programmers (preferably with a decent stake in the outcome so they stay
around) will be able to exploit the power and productivity of clojure to do
with a small team fast what would need far more people
… as soon as anything goes wrong whether it has anything to do with the
technology choice or not you become mr fall guy, to be blamed and fired so
that other people can keep their jobs. Seen it happen so many times.
Good lord, truly? Perhaps this is a good time to ask what culture OP
Whenever there is an external institutional stakeholder it is almost
guaranteed to happen. Someone in that external institution has a bonus or
promotion depending on the outcome, and will demand results. They will also
have penalty clauses in the contract which can be anything from
Just looked at your profile. Sweden? A very enlightened place. I am a big
fan of the Paradox Interactive games. What happens in Sweden when investors
lose their money?
On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:16:55 PM UTC+1, Henrik Eneroth wrote:
… as soon as anything goes wrong whether it has
I personally snuck it into my company in a limited fashion by selling its
libraries, test.check in particular. This has gone quite well.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Quzanti quza...@googlemail.com wrote:
Whenever there is an external institutional stakeholder it is almost
guaranteed to
Well, for better or worse we don't like conflicts that much. This has
benefits when it comes to some kinds of problem solving (the way to
consensus in Swedish companies is worth at least a chapter in a big book
about antrophology). This shyness for open conflicts can lead to stagnation.
This
If an investor were kicking people out, its usually because money is
running low or for other more diffuse reasons. If an investor or boss
somewhere where kicking out people at random, he would quickly loose
respect from his other employeers. The rest would soon leave as well.
Hence the need
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