On Feb 20, 3:05 pm, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Sergey Didenko
sergey.dide...@gmail.com wrote:
It looks like our community already has a lot of articles, tutorials,
gists, but they are just not very reachable to beginners.
May be what we
It looks like our community already has a lot of articles, tutorials,
gists, but they are just not very reachable to beginners.
May be what we really need is a meta site or article on clojure.org or
promotion of other meta site like
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/clojure, with a lot of
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Sergey Didenko
sergey.dide...@gmail.com wrote:
May be what we really need is a meta site or article on clojure.org or
promotion of other meta site like
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/clojure, with a lot of
community rated links to existing resources?
I feel that it should be pointed out that all three of Eclipse, Netbeans
and IntelliJ IDEA are, under the covers, platforms for building IDEs,
rather than just IDEs themselves.
Oddly enough, out of the three, I had the simplest transition with IntelliJ
- only had to install clojure and leiningen
Please understand that these are* personal notes* and as such are very,
very messy.
http://seanneilan.com/Clojure.html
In a similar vein, I posted three pages of (early) notes on working
with the labrepl tutorial environment, starting at
On Feb 14, 9:50 pm, g1i1ch iris.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems
that to fully learn clojure, you first must know java. You can see it
especially in the documentation which is fully java programmer
focused. My problem is that I don't know java and I really don't have
the time to or the
I think the big problem, is that Clojure makes a big deal about being
Simple. That is, avoiding unneeded complexity, but then throws its
users into the sea of complexity that is Java.
The choice to build on Java definitely takes us away from simplicity, but
we gain a lot of power and
This will sound obvious to a lot of people, but just this week I had a
real aha moment. It's awesome to be using a lisp in the Java
ecosystem. There's a Java library for just about anything and not a
half-finished library somebody hacked together for their own needs,
but an
- This Clojure-IDE is actually Eclipse for Clojure (which integrates
Clojure, Counterclockwise and lein libraries - not as external tools)
Hang on, you were advocating Clojure for non-Java devs, yes? Yet you
want to inflict Eclipse on them? I'm only half-joking here. Non-Java
developers
you are a Java, Ruby or Python developer. AFAIK, all Clojure
books do. There is no lack of documentation addressed to experienced
developers. But there is indeed a lack of documentation that addresses
people who are just starting programming? This is because, I suppose, many
in the community
Of course, I won't be able to write the entire Recipe Book by myself. I
will contribute all the recipes I have discovered with test cases.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Sean Neilan s...@seanneilan.com wrote:
I'm working on something like this by keeping notes on everything I've
encountered
I'm working on something like this by keeping notes on everything I've
encountered so far in Clojure 1.3.0.
Please understand that these are* personal notes* and as such are very,
very messy.
http://seanneilan.com/Clojure.html
When I have the time, I will volunteer to clean up my notes and turn
A treasure!
I will from now on start to jot down whatever I do also.
/Linus
2012/2/16 Sean Neilan s...@seanneilan.com
Of course, I won't be able to write the entire Recipe Book by myself. I
will contribute all the recipes I have discovered with test cases.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM,
1. You can't do GUI or game development without using Java.
A: Yes, that's true. Clojure was designed to use the vast libraries
of Java. Java documentation is superb so if you want to do anything
graphical, I'd suggest the Java tutorial and JavaFX especially for all
things graphical. It's
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:57 AM, abaitam abai...@gmail.com wrote:
a) All those concrete things around you look like objects that has
properties and actions:
I don't think that's true for a lot of brand new programmers. It's
true for Java programmers because everything is an object in their
Regarding don't want to learn Java. I understand fully, but can I suggest
downloading a major java-IDE and make some small and simple java-katas in
it?
I would suggest IntelliJ IDEAs Community Edition (there are other, ofc) and
then going through some examples from the surprisingly well written
Hi All,
very new to clojure, so thought my experience may be relevant.
Initially, the java aspect is a bit daunting. However, I don't believe you
need to know java in order to take advantage of all the java interop
features of clojure. All that you really need is to understand how to read
Initially, the java aspect is a bit daunting. However, I don't believe you
need to know java in order to take advantage of all the java interop
features of clojure.
So as a background, before I give my two cents. I'm a C# developer by
trade, and feel very comfortable with .NET. I also have
I think the big problem, is that Clojure makes a big deal about being
Simple. That is, avoiding unneeded complexity, but then throws its
users into the sea of complexity that is Java. If I want to write
arbitrary binary data to a file, I really don't want to take the time
to learn what a
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Gregg Williams greg...@innerpaths.netwrote:
Would it kill somebody to write a library of simple functions that
would answer most beginners' simple needs, then have it blessed as
canonical? I'd write it myself, but I still don't know enough! If
every beginner
Armando Blancas abm221...@gmail.com writes:
Can you provide some more specific examples of what's missing?
Surely you're joking, Mr. Hagelberg.
I was asking because when I was starting, I found I had trouble
specifically with Java's IO classes. This article was written after I
had already
On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:16 PM, David Nolen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Gregg Williams greg...@innerpaths.net
wrote:
Would it kill somebody to write a library of simple functions that
would answer most beginners' simple needs, then have it blessed as
canonical? I'd write it
It's tiresome to hear people complain about something they do not
contribute anything towards.
Thank you for your extremely helpful critique.
By the way, please go to http://www.GettingClojure.com, a web site
that I started and contributed to, which nobody (except Sean Cornfeld)
expressed any
Nothing I said was meant to dismiss any particular contribution(s) of any
kind made by anyone.
If this was not clear, apologies.
On Thursday, February 16, 2012, Gregg Williams greg...@innerpaths.net
wrote:
It's tiresome to hear people complain about something they do not
contribute anything
I just wanted to put a shout out to the major clojure guys out there.
I've tried several times to learn the language, but I can't get passed
the normal lispy stuff to a serious program. Like a game or GUI app.
The reason why is because of something I quickly realized. It seems
that to fully learn
Hi,
While you don't need to know all about Java the language to use Clojure,
you DO need to learn about the standard Java APIs for things like I/O,
networking, GUIs, etc. Clojure doesn't try to hide those features of the
host platform (whether in Java, C#, or JavaScript). There are great
Java is not a barrier of entry for Clojure for most folks - it is in fact
one of the major reasons for Clojure's success. If you're mostly
interesting in GUIs and games - some people have taken the time to provide
Clojure-y libraries for just that.
- Games, https://github.com/ztellman/penumbra
-
Thanks for the reply, I mostly want to get out of the way my main
reason for writing the shout out. I think the language is a nod to the
future of lisp and possibly one of the greatest lisps around with
wondrous support. I want the language to succeed. Because of that I
wanted to point to the
You actually do need to know a thing or two about programming in Java.
There's so many useful Java libraries that get real work done when you need
it done.
I'm a Java programmer so I haven't had this problem. If I didn't know Java,
learning clojure would've been twice as hard.
It took me 3
g1i1ch iris.bl...@gmail.com writes:
Thanks for the reply, I mostly want to get out of the way my main
reason for writing the shout out. I think the language is a nod to the
future of lisp and possibly one of the greatest lisps around with
wondrous support. I want the language to succeed.
The documentation definitely exists. A lot of people have written a
lot about clojure. The time consuming part is sorting and making sense
of it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Phil Hagelberg p...@hagelb.org wrote:
g1i1ch iris.bl...@gmail.com writes:
Thanks for the reply, I
Also, since the language is recent and has changed so rapidly, a lot
of documentation has become out of date but still exists. That has to
be sorted out too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Phil Hagelberg p...@hagelb.org wrote:
g1i1ch iris.bl...@gmail.com writes:
Thanks for
Can you provide some more specific examples of what's missing?
Surely you're joking, Mr. Hagelberg.
I don't know any Java and was able to manage pretty well.
This is no time for modesty, lest the OP might feel his troubles
aren't even valid. Perhaps better to say that a rudimentary grasp of
I don't think your tone is very helpful Armando. It's perfectly
reasonable to ask for specific examples - so that there are actionable
tasks we as a group can take on, rather than just some vague the
documentation is too Java-centric complaint.
When I read the OP, I was not sure what he was
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