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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
If you do use AGMs, you need to keep them charged. A mooring without
a solar panel is not going to go well.
Joel
On Friday, February 27, 2015, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
As I said before, I am not an AGM fan. If you do decide to use them, Sams
Club has group 31 deep cycle AGMs with the Energizer brand label. They are
Deka batteries, exact same as West Marine sells, for about 50% of the price.
Think they charge around $160 for them. The Sears Diehard Platinum
If you do use AGMs, you need to keep them charged. A mooring without a
solar panel is not going to go well.
Joel
On Friday, February 27, 2015, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
As I said before, I am not an AGM fan. If you do decide to use them, Sams
Club has group
Barba ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
If you do use AGMs, you need to keep them charged. A mooring without a solar
panel is not going to go well.
Joel
On Friday, February 27, 2015, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
If you do use AGMs, you need to keep them charged. A mooring without a
solar panel is not going to go well.
Joel
On Friday, February 27, 2015, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
As I said before, I
Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Listers,
As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise
(thanks to all
:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:17 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Listers,
As you know, I'm redoing the electrical systems on the
Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice).
So now comes
10:38 AM
To: CC List; dwight
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Dwight,
I think the theory is that the same electroisys that is breaking the
molecular bond in the water is breaking the bonds in the sufuric acid
resulting in corrosive sulfer gas.
Josh
On Feb 26, 2015 7
I use much the same procedure that Robert described with my wet cell Great
Northern batteries (2 six V golf cart and 1 group 24, all deep cycle, group
24 used mostly for starting and backup)...in fact Robert may have started
using this procedure after discussing with me...my batteries have
PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
May I ask which unit?
David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:58:45 -0500
To: efran...@mac.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
I
Schillay via CnC-List
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:17 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Listers,
As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the
Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice
for a short period of time.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
“Midnight Mistress”
CC 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Batteries
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:16 PM
To: CC List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Josh,
I'm leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available)
Trojan T-105s, but am
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:38 AM
To: CC List; dwight
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Dwight,
I think the theory is that the same electroisys that is breaking the
molecular bond in the water is breaking the bonds in the sufuric acid
resulting in corrosive
Schillay via CnC-List
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:16 PM
*To:* CC List
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Josh,
I’m leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available)
Trojan T-105s, but am concerned about the maintenance, especially
:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:38 AM
*To:* CC List; dwight
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Dwight,
I think the theory is that the same electroisys that is breaking the
molecular bond in the water is breaking the bonds in the sufuric acid
resulting
Listers,
As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise
(thanks to all for diagrams and advice).
So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house
bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you
prefer it?
I use Delco Voyager maintenance free wet cells, Series 29's. Get 5-7+
years service life.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Listers,
As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the
Quick answer: gel is best and wet cells - golf carts - are by FAR the best for
$$$ per amp hour. I do not care for AGM
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:17, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
Listers,
As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems
Edd:
We have two Great Northern Group 27 wet cell batteries that are left on
board all winter.these two batteries get a full charge late in the
Fall and sometimes a short charge (one hour) at 6 amps during the winter
and that's it. They have seen 6 sailing seasons, have spent every
I do want to go with 4-6 golf carts. How often do you need to add water to
them?
A problem I have is the ability to get to the boat to maintain them during the
winter months.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No:
I was at a point of extremes when I bought 5 AutoZone marine/deep cycle for
a total of about $600 and 500Ahrs (~250Ahrs usable without damage). They
are the standard maintenance free auto style which can be but are not
intended to be watered. For me they were relatively cheap, readily
available,
Edd — +1 on golf cart batteries, specifically the Trojan T105. If your
charging system is set up and controlled properly, you shouldn’t have to top
them off very often at all. I’ve had a set in my boat for over five years now
with no issues, and no apparent drop in capacity.
Fred Street --
Josh,
I’m leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available) Trojan
T-105s, but am concerned about the maintenance, especially since I’m kinda cut
off from the boat all winter long. Alternatively, I was looking at these AGMs:
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:17 AM
Subject: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Listers,
As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks
Schillay via CnC-List
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:17 AM
Subject: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Listers,
As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to
all for diagrams and advice).
So now comes
Marek
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:16 PM
To: CC List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Josh,
I’m leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available) Trojan T-105s,
but am concerned about the maintenance, especially since
I would advise an AGM, maybe as the starting battery and for emergencies,
simply in case of a knockdown or other rare event.
My background with AGMs is from the computer industry were the are used
in Uninterruptible Power Supplies ( UPS ). Overall I was not and still am not
impressed. The high
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:20 PM
To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month
I've seen various outlandish quotes like that on the internet. They are pure
BS. As I
: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Edd,
I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the
AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem.
Check Main Sail’s write ups on batteries (he did a few additional ones
recently). If I
CC 35 MK I
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Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Edd,
I am not claiming to be an expert, but from
: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month
and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore
power this can
Ed,
But it takes only a small panel to provide adequate current to keep them topped
off. You will need your alternator when using the batteries for cruising, of
course, but sitting on the mooring, even 0.5 - 1 amp is sufficient. That's all
I use on Cat's Paw (kept on a mooring); I have a small
, February 25, 2015 12:58 PM
*To:* Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Edd,
I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the
AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem.
Check Main
maybe, they did not have the “really good charge controllers”? (-;)
From: Frederick G Street
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:18 PM
To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
And lithium burns really well when exposed to oxygen
Brown via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I had hoped that with the research and work being done on the larger
NiCD packs in hybrid cars that marine NiCD wet cells would become more
common
And lithium burns really well when exposed to oxygen and water; not necessarily
something I’d want on my boat, until the technology matures a bit. Witness the
lithium battery issues on the Boeing planes.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
Keep in mind that most racing rules prohibit use of wet cells for obvious
reasons. Knot sure what Maine Sail has to say about defying specific
gravity when pinned on a knock down or round down. (I believe most of what
Maine Sail has to say, but not all...)
Here is another guy in Maine with a more
Boeing...and Titan, a boat we built several years back had a fire in Antigua in
2011. We no longer install li-ion batteries.
Harry
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 25, 2015, at 16:18, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
And lithium burns really well when exposed to
I installed a 50W solar panel last summer to keep batteries topped off at the
mooring. I bought one sized to fit the sliding companionway hatch. I ran the
wires to a 12v outlet plug near the start panel and from there to a charge
controller mounted in the lazarette. I leave it just sitting
: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
And lithium burns really well when exposed to oxygen and water; not
necessarily something Id want on my boat, until the technology matures a
bit. Witness the lithium battery issues on the Boeing planes.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis
May I ask which unit?
David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:58:45 -0500
To: efran...@mac.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
I installed a 50W solar panel last summer to keep batteries
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:52:55 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery orientation
Ken,
Thanks for the link. Great read as most of Maine Sail’s articles are. I am
rearranging the batteries in my
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:35:06 -0400
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Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2015
20:40To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Subject:Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded,
Sealed or AGM? BatteryDoug,
So far I have an AGM start battery and a group 29 wet cell along the port
engine side. I purchased the boat with only one battery and no engine
installed. I did get
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