think you mean Nordac?) those are usually pretty robustsails.
Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA
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Just a short note to thanks all who chimed in on my head sail question.
The short story is that I decided to go with a 3Di Nordic composite sail
(so-called light
Just a short note to thanks all who chimed in on my head sail question.
The short story is that I decided to go with a 3Di Nordic composite sail
(so-called light/medium) that has a maximum AWS wind of ~ 16 knots. The light
wind equivalent has a maximum AWS wind of ~ 12 knots and I already have a
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> Bottom line with sails these days is crew. How many and how often. Getting
> harder and harder (So I hear) to find consistent good crew. When I race
Unfortunately, there is only one “short-handed” race all season in my area and
that is a double-handed one day event. There are no single/double entry
categories in any ECSA events. I have brought up the issue with the ECSA a
number of times but got no traction. It will likely be the top of m
Does the PHRF in your area adjust for deficiencies in crew and crew work.
In some clubs that may happen based on results from one series to the next
but even that assumes your crew is constant and any improvement in results
will relate to the crew getting better. Still it’s a rather arbitrary
adjus
Interesting discussion. When I got new string sails a few years ago, I opted
for a 145 and a 110 genoa. I raced for several years with small crew (3-4)
with the 145 and only put on the 110 in the Fall when it was predicted to blow
hard all day. Last year, I raced solo all season due to Covid
If Charlie is interested in spending serious money for one headsail in
order to get better racing results then I think he would be well advised to
get really serious about racing and be prepared to part with more serious
money for a headsail inventory. My c&c 35 loses a lot if i neglect a needed
he
t; wrote:
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>> Or keep your old patched 155 and use the 140 for the slightly breezier
>> days and forego the reef
>> --
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, 2021 5:51 PM
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Bottom line with sails these days is crew. How many and how often. Getting
harder and harder (So I hear) to find consistent good crew. When I raced
with 4 headsails, 3 spinnakers etc. I had 8 on board my 40-
Charlie,
I would not go with the 140%! Either stay with the 155 or go to a 135%.
With a 140 you get no credit on your PHRF rating but a 135 will get you a 3
sec/mile bump. Difference between 135 and 140 will not be noticable. I am
surprised that a sailmaker made that recommendation to you. Getting
Bottom line with sails these days is crew. How many and how often. Getting
harder and harder (So I hear) to find consistent good crew. When I raced with
4 headsails, 3 spinnakers etc. I had 8 on board my 40-2. Son moved on in life
and the adult day camp program ceased. When I do race now
Interesting discussion!
On Lake St Clair our 35 mk I OD fleet sailed with 167 as #1. This year we're
going to 155 as largest headsail but I can still use 167 on Wednesday races ,
(rating is 132). We see winds from 0 to 20 true but mostly race in 8-12
Bob Mann
s/v Mystic
> On 02/09/2021 3
Hi Charlie,
Our boats power upwind easily. If you want one headsail to race, a 135% is
probably the best allround size.
I've had success racing with my 135%. It powers upwind and we normally pass
several boats before getting to the windward mark. The 110% is too small
unless you have really
Charlie,
At some point you get a credit for a smaller headsail I would check with
my local PHRF and go that way. A 129 or 134 is a whole lot easier to
manage in 10 knots and you will be able to carry full sail just a little
longer. Or keep the 155 just for racing and get a 130 for cruising. My
You know Charlie,
I am guessing you probably have a Blade, or #3, or something around 110 – Why
don’t you just do a season with that, and weigh all the pros and cons?
On one hand, I used to have the 135-140, and never felt the need for anything
bigger. When the wind piped up, 18 – 20 out in t
>From a racing perspective I would consider the rating but also the sheeting
angle.
If you plan to race spinnaker and the 135% is for upwind only; there is a
case to be made about taking advantage of the 3-second credit as others
have noted. However, on most days in a JAM fleet, I would want the 1
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Would you get a PHRF adjustment credit by moving to a 135% Roller Furling
headsail?
Rod Stright
Halifax
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When I changed from a 155 to a 135 genoa, I gained six seconds in PHRF with no
significant change in speed. Next I changed to a 110% genoa. I gained another
three seconds, slight decrease in speed, but I was able to point five
That should have read PHRF NC rules
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>From PHRF NS Handicap Racing Fleet Rules section 3
“HANDICAP ADJUSTMENTS
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> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> Or keep your old patched 155 and use the 140 for the slightly breezier
>> days and forego the reef
>> --
>> *From:* Rod Stright via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* February 9, 2021 5:30:1
>From PHRF NS Handicap Racing Fleet Rules section 3
“HANDICAP ADJUSTMENTS A. HEADSAILS Adjustment is based on the largest jib or
genoa and determined by the LP/J ratio stated as a percent. No adjustment is
made for the largest headsail having an LP/J greater than 135% and less than or
equal
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> Or keep your old patched 155 and use the 140 for the slightly breezier
> days and forego the reef
> --
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Charlie:
It appears you are considering the correct factors. “Average”
wind speed can be misleading. It depends how it’s being averaged. Time of
day, time of year, time when racing usually occurs, etc., can all factor in.
For example, in Erie our Wednesday evening races a
Charlie, I sail and race Lake Michigan. I moved from a UK laminate to
Nordac in 2019. My previous UK was a 145, furled beautifully.I went with a 150
Nordac since I too felt I gave up too much on August light air days. It is a
MUCH heavier sail, but still furls nicely, though the furled p
y, February 9, 2021 5:50 AM
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> Or keep your old patched 155 and use the 140 for the slightly breezier days
> and forego the reef
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As long as you get a rating adjustment go 140-145. Less cost. Less wear
and tear on boat, crew, sail and rig. Much more manageable and better
shape when roller furl.
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: New sails, new wind
Or keep your old patched 155 and use the 140 for the slightly breezier days and
forego the reef
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Or keep your old patched 155 and use the 140 for the slightly breezier days and
forego the reef
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Would you
Would you get a PHRF adjustment credit by moving to a 135% Roller Furling
headsail?
Rod Stright
Halifax
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