Stus-List Re: Donations

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Stu,Just made a donation via eTranafer.Sent you a private email with details.Sincere condolences, and thanks for all you do.Warm Regards,/John1983 Landfall 38Kingston OntarioOn Oct 27, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:




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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Wrapping has come a long way… check out this video on wrapping the inside of your boat.youtu.be/John83 LF38, Hull #155 - OntarioOn Aug 23, 2023, at 4:26 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:Well, this discussion has taken up an inordinate amount of my time - Not that I am complaining, I am learning much more than I already knew about wraps. After watching several youtube videos, (How to repair) I now think a lot of the cars I thought were painted are wrapped.  There are some little bits on my boat that have little vinyl repairs that are very hard to find.Bill ColemanOn Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 1:04 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List  wrote:Karl, that's exactly my concern...I would like to have seen photos of that! ThanksRichardRichard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255






On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:51:28 PM EDT, Karl Erickson via CnC-List  wrote:



They guy who has a wrap here did hit the dock last year and put a pretty large rip in it. Not repairable. He had that side replaced this spring. Karl EricksonSeaBaticalC 34Lake Michigan On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  wrote:The reviews I have seen on YouTube for cruising boats seem positive.Lifespan 10+ years, straight forward patch and repair and peel off removal.Being a traditionalist, I had been hesitant to consider wraps but am digging deeper as the pros seem to outweigh the cons, esp here in N. Idaho where painters and working yards are sparce but there are vehicle wrappers who have some boat wrapping experience. (Fred don't judge us, it's a BIG lake).Still weighing options as we are a couple of years (unless an option becomes obvious) Karl Kuzis Firefly C 29 Mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 606-2099On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 8:48 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List  wrote:As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and the piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks!RichardRichard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255






On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:



Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing them?Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie PAOn Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List  wrote:A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. Karl EricksonOn Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  wrote:Another random ideaCould  you consider a vinyl wrap?Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or experience? Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly George Cone

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Stus-List Re: need age-reversing machine ASAP! Or a boat expander!

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I had a premonition way back because my wife is an amazing cook… we to had kids 4 years apart. Ages 13 and 17 respectively… They do all the tunnel work, because if I go in, they’ll have to cut the boat to get me out/John - 1983 LF 38, Ontario CanadaOn Jul 23, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:I feel your pain.  When I was rebuilding/upgrading the steering system, I removed the fuel tank.  Improved access to the stern area but still uncomfortable.  Is it time to pull and clean your tank?  :)Touche's Racor with vacuum gauge is right where you're trying to access the stern.  The port side through the quarter berth isn't much better.--Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAOn Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 11:11 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:I am running the propane hose for my new stove down the starboard side of the boat, which is requiring me to crawl back to the stern under/beside the aft cockpit. My memory of working back there was I just crawled in and back out. Turns out to not be that easy, I had to take the engine control cables and bilge pump hoses off their fittings and I still can just barely sort of do it. When I was a teenager I fit just fine. Did the boat shrink? Can I expand it? Did I “opposite of shrink”?  Joe Della BarbaCoquina C 35 MK IKent Island MD USA  Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Had the exact same problem. It ended up being my secondary fuel filter at the 
engine loosened. I didn't take any chances, so I changed the filter along with 
the o-rings tightened it back up, and voila!

/John

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:22 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am out for the first time this season. Engine started right up. Motored 
> out of harbor for two hours. Turned engine off for a while waiting for wind. 
> Started back up. Ran for 15-30 sec and died. Started up and ran for a bit 
> longer then died. Pulled bed to get access and fuel pressure and level in 
> racor look fine. Started up and ran fine for 40 min. WTF?  Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Re: Eight Bells for Rob Ball

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Very sad. What an icon.


/John

> On Sep 10, 2022, at 2:10 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers, I regret to report that Pat Mangan Ball posted end-of-watch 9/9/22 
> for Rob Ball, on the C Owners Facebook group 50 minutes ago.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Randy Stafford
> SV Grenadine
> C 30 MK I #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

Stus-List Re: Unusual C for sale

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Cool vid… let’s say 400 boats pumped out at least once a month is ~96K a year.

I’d gamble there are many with crappier jobs than his making less.

/John

> On May 11, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My boys think the Roche Harbor "Phecal Phreak" pumpout boat is the funniest 
> thing ever. See video. 
> https://youtu.be/e5Q-fU7tg9E
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 7:40 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> There is a pumpout boat in Roche Harbor, San Juan Island, WA. It has a big 
>> sign that says: "We take crap from anyone"
>> 
>> Alan Bergen
>> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>> Rose City YC
>> Portland, OR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 7:33 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I had no idea they made holding tank pumpout boats, but apparently they did 
>>> or someone made a typo:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2002-c$c-pumpout-boat-7322319/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Joe Della Barba
>>> 
>>> Coquina C 35 MK I
>>> 
>>> Kent Island MD USA
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  

Stus-List Re: List The attachments are driving me nuts

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I have no issues either. I made a change using my laptop on my gmail account a 
while back when I was receiving attachments and going to spam folder. Have had 
no issues since in mobile or laptop since.


/John

> On Mar 7, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Stu,
> 
> I have had no problems with CnC-List emails.  Android phone or tablet and 
> computer (Thunderbird email ap).
> 
> Don Kern
> 
> 
>> On 3/7/2022 1:51 PM, Stu via CnC-List wrote:
>> 
>> Folks I have tried and tried to find the problem.  The IT group that
>> maintains our list program assure me it is not the problems. The program
>> only relays what is sent to it and makes no changes.
>> 
>> I tried contacting several email servers whose customers were
>> experiencing problems, and I might as well talk to the wind.
>> 
>> The problems are very sporadic and are not consistent by any means. I
>> have several email accounts all with different providers and do not any
>> problems.  So I cannot relate to the problems.
>> 
>> I am still using Windows Live Mail from Windows Essentials (no longer
>> available) and Thunderbird Mail.  Both programs access all of my email
>> accounts and neither has shown any problems.
>> 
>> I don't know what to suggest at this time except for you to experiment
>> and try a different email app on your smartphone, laptop or desktop
>> computers.
>> 
>> I keep trying to find the problem and the solution but right now things
>> do not look good.
>> 
>> Stu
>> 
>> Customized C Cutting Boards available at:
>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/cutting_boards
> Customized C Cutting Boards available at:
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Stus-List Re: Spreader lights

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I have purchased these and they are great.

https://us.binnacle.com/p11377/Aqua-Signal-LED-Deck-Spreader-Light-Bergen-W-Bracket-86516-7/product_info.html

/John

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Glenn Henderson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am replacing the old (but very Bright) spreader lights on my C 41. With 
> all the new technology advances, do any of you have a graciously accepted 
> recommendation on a particular light. I did enjoy the very bright lights that 
> are on the mast. They still work but I am sure there are LED's that offer as 
> bright illumination. If any one would like my existing lights, just pay 
> shipping and I will send them to you.
> 
> Glenn and Lindsey Henderson
> C 41
> WeGo
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Garboard

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Yes - would like to see your setup.


/John
1983 LF38, Ontario

> On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ron, do you have any photos of your setup? Thanks
> 
> Richard
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: RON CASCIATO via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: RON CASCIATO 
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2021 10:22 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Garboard
> 
> Agreed, we did this on Impromptu almost 7-8 years ago. 
> We drilled the hole a quarter inch below the floor of the bilge...FROM THE 
> OUTSIDE!!!
> I think the diameter of the threaded piece is 1", I took it to Home Depot and 
> found a male adapter that fitand pieced a 6" piece of PVC with a 45 
> degree angled end
> Bilge drains dry and no water running down the keel.
> The drain unscrews out and the plug sits just under the hull surface.we 
> swipe it with a dollop of Bondo and bottom paint.
> End of season, we just pick out the 1" circle of Bondo and screw the PVC 
> drain back in.
> An easy DYI project
> Ron Casciato 
> Impromptu
> C 38 MKII..'77
> 
> On Nov 22, 2021 4:50 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> Finally Did this 2 years ago..best thing ever did for the boat.  
> Look in archives, there is recent thread with good ideas 
> Bill Walker
> 
> On Monday, November 22, 2021, 09:26:16 AM EST, Tom Sancton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Looking at putting a garboard on my 35 mark 3. Has anyone done this? Looking 
> at leaving my mast up but concerned about water entering the boat through the 
> mast
> 
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Stus-List Re: engine oil amount

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I had the same issue and surprise. In my case I was pushing too much of the 
extract hose down the dipstick opening and it would coil up in the pan where 
the opening of the hose was not facing / touching the bottom of the pan. It 
could have also run up the side of the pan internally (too small to see :))

I straightened my extract hose and pushed it down and got all of the oil out 
(4.5 liters). 

My extract hose is a little stiff so all I did was tape a s screw driver on the 
end for weight, held it up and used my heat gun. I cooled it off with a wet rag.

I also wrapped a piece of tape around the extract hose so next time I know :).


/John
LF 38, #155, Ontario

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 5:31 PM, G Gao via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> Universal Diesel 5424 here. According to the manual, this engine has 5.6QT of 
> engine oil. Last season and today, both times I use oil extractor through the 
> dipstick hole, could only get a little over 3 quarters out.
> 
> Is this normal, or am I not doing it right?
> 
> thx in advance.
> 
> Bo
> 
> 
> -- 
> 1974 C 35 MK2
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Stus-List Re: George Harding Cuthbertson's Binder 1982 - 2008

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hey There,

I have made a donation.

/John

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 11:28 AM, JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the next binder ready for your evening reading at the Dock.
> 
> Now if I could impose on you kind folks to help me and the Marine Museum of 
> the Great Lakes in Kingston out.  The museums fundraiser to digitize their 
> collection of C drawings has been stuck at $1125 for a while.  If I could 
> nudge a few of you to help them out, I'll release the next binder when the 
> total hits $1500.
> 
> Hopefully we can do this, they have a long way to go to meet their goal, but 
> every bit helps.
> 
> I want to thank all those that have contributed already.
> 
> https://www.canadahelps.org/en/dn/60975
> 
> JohnKelly Cuthbertson
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Broken Bolt in Epoxy

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

LMAO!


/John

> On Jul 23, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Next time I get in an epoxy-composite airplane on a hot day I am going to be 
> nervous!
> 
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List  
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:15 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jeff Nelson 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Broken Bolt in Epoxy
> 
> Glad it ended well.
> 
> Cheers,
>   Jeff
> 
>> On 2021-07-23 10:17 a.m., Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:
>> Well, Adrian wins the Bronze Thunder Mug - I put a 90/130 watt 
>> soldering gun on the stud for about 3 minutes, put some Garr-Pike Vice-Grips 
>> on, JUST 2 THREADS showing to grab onto!
>> 
>> I couldn't believe when I heard creaking noises as it reluctantly backed 
>> out!I was sure I was seeing things.  I was so happy I could about shit.
>> 
>> Anyways, my mini-crisis averted, once again the list has pulled 
>> through - Thanks to all, for all the suggestions.
>> 
>> 
>> Bill Coleman
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Older Jabsco water pump

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Thanks a lot Dennis - You’re a life saver!


/John

> On Jul 6, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Try depcopump.com
> 
> Try this link to their marine catalog:  
> http://online.anyflip.com/wdhhh/tueu/mobile/index.html
> 
> Type 176 in the page field at the top.  You might see your pump on Page 176 
> or 177.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 2:15 PM John Christopher via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Good day all,
>> 
>> The pressure switch on my older (seemingly very old) but working very well 
>> water pump has cracked and I am looking for a replacement. Much of the 
>> lettering / numbering off the pump and pressure switch have worn off 
>> although I can make out 25PS31 (I think hon the pressure switch. Using my 
>> tap and die kit the thread is 10M 1.5.
>> 
>> Do any of you know these pumps and types of replacement pressure switches 
>> that can be used? I’ve looked at Jabsco, and tried to make contact (still 
>> waiting), and I’ve sent an email to Klixon Sensata (I can barely make out 
>> the fine print stamp on the pressure switch.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help or suggestions you might have.
>> 
>> Link to photos 
>> 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/SFf6tK7DARUxVmqj7
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> /John
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>> Stu
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Older Jabsco water pump

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Good day all,

The pressure switch on my older (seemingly very old) but working very well 
water pump has cracked and I am looking for a replacement. Much of the 
lettering / numbering off the pump and pressure switch have worn off although I 
can make out 25PS31 (I think hon the pressure switch. Using my tap and die kit 
the thread is 10M 1.5.

Do any of you know these pumps and types of replacement pressure switches that 
can be used? I’ve looked at Jabsco, and tried to make contact (still waiting), 
and I’ve sent an email to Klixon Sensata (I can barely make out the fine print 
stamp on the pressure switch.

Thanks for any help or suggestions you might have.

Link to photos 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SFf6tK7DARUxVmqj7



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Stus-List Re: fun with moisture meter and how/if to fix wet spot

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I am a licensed plumber - you would be very surprised how determined water is 
at getting “up” into things using the right wind angle, etc.


/John

> On May 20, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I got a Klein moisture meter from Amazon and decided to give it a go. Plenty 
> of areas I thought might have high readings did not. Most of the deck seems 
> to be in the 1%-6% range.  The one area with a high reading is not near any 
> penetrations, I cannot figure it out. Forward of the mast and aft of the 
> forward hatch there is an area about 1 or 2 square feet that reads high 
> enough to peg the meter at 40%! The wet area does not extend to either the 
> mast or the hatch, it does not seem to come from either one. The deck does 
> not feel obviously mushy either, it just looks crazed in that spot. The only 
> real way to feel anything different is in the cabin, the liner seems detached 
> if you press up on it. This is basically in the passageway forward around the 
> hanging locker.
>  
> Now the question is what next? Do I cut the deck off from above or repair 
> from below? My feeling is working from above will be 100 times easier until 
> the very last step of making the deck look not cup apart at the end. I still 
> have no idea how water could get there except possibly the vents that are 
> over the head and hanging locker. The original dorades put in before we got 
> the boat were very poorly done, I had to do a lot of sealing and filling with 
> epoxy when I put the solar vents in. It would require water to run uphill and 
> aft though
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Whoa! Nail biting moment.


/John

> On May 5, 2021, at 4:56 PM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> WE MADE IT... barely.
> When we arrived at the Buckman Bridge (just south of Jacksonville) the tide 
> board read 65.5 feet. I calculated our mast height from the water to 65' 8" 
> so it was close. We waited one hour on anchor for the tide to drop further 
> but it did not despite the 22kn head wind forcing water out of the basin... 
> decision time. We decided to try swinging the boom far out to port opposite 
> the wind direction, then loading the end of the boom with our dinghy filled 
> with water and deisel jugs, buckets filled with river water, etc. and lifted 
> it with the mainsheet block and tackle. Then shifted everyting heavy inside 
> the boat to the port side. This created about a 20 degree lean. Our VHF 
> antenna banged off every ghirder but we made it through! Miller time :)
> 
> Thanks for all the comments and help here on the list and take notes if you 
> have a C like us!
> 
> Dan
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Stus-List Re: Leaking window

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Is this who you are referring to?

https://www.fixleakyboats.com/


/John

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Stus-List Re: Digest emails

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Same here - individual emails. No digest.


/John

> On Feb 12, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Bob Mann via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I get each email individually, no digest.
>  
> Bob Mann
>  
>  
> Just checking – is anybody receiving digest emails with or without any 
> problems.
>  
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: C Rendezvous at Maritime Museum in Kingston?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Great idea!


/John

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 8:20 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Rather than several competing "on the water" rendezvous's, I keep thinking 
> about a big? C rendezvous at the museum in Kingston.  Paid event with 
> proceeds to the museum for the C document preservation.  Fall 2022, 
> perhaps?  Long lead time to let the museum get going?
> 
> Crazy idea?
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Are we all shopping?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I stopped receiving for a while. I then went to the site, unsubscribed, and 
resubscribed and it seems to be working fine since. 


/John

> On Dec 24, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> There are some issues with delivery, as checking the archives shows that I 
> have received only a fraction of recent messages.
> I also received a delivery probe failure from another list (which uses 
> Listserv) that I am on, so the issue may be wider spread. 
> 
> Happy Holidays everyone!
> ⛵
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 07:14 Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> For boat stuff!
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:59 AM David Risch via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Cutless/cutlass/strut bearing replacement

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Josh,

My bearing is longer than the strut (work done by a credible yard). That was in 
2016. I’ve had zero issues (I routinely check for play). 


/John

> On Jul 9, 2020, at 12:08 AM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well it seems that maybe the previous owner has replaced the shaft with a 
> larger size.  A few other 37+ owners have stated that their shafts are 
> 1-1/8th whereas mine is 1-1/4.  The original shaft would have come with a 
> strut which would accommodate a bearing OD of 1-5/8 inch (1-1/8 x 1-5/8 x 
> 4-1/2).  The smallest bearing OD for my larger 1-1/4 shaft is 1-3/4 (1-1/4 x 
> 1-3/4 x 5).  It appears that the PO must have run into a similar problem with 
> this combination of original strut and larger shaft and must have had the 
> bearing turned down to 1-5/8 OD.
> 
> Now for my next question.  After the machinist turned the bearing, he failed 
> to cut it to a length of 4-1/2.   The result is a bearing which is 1/2 inch 
> too long for the strut.  I can split the difference and leave 1/4 inch 
> sticking out on either side of the strut.  Or some other fraction forward and 
> aft.  Currently I have about 1/8th forward and 3/8th aft.  I'm not sure if 
> this is good, bad, or indifferent and I'd like to get everyone's thoughts.  
> Cut it off?  Leave it?  Move it flush on one side or the other?
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 16:03 Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> OK folks, 
>> 
>> I thought I was doing things the right way and incorporating all of the 
>> years of collective wisdom.  Wrong!  I'm doing a drive train rebuild and 
>> with the shaft out it only made sense to replace the strut bearing as well.  
>> It didn't seem to need it but doing it with the shaft out seemed a lot 
>> easier than with it in and I know for a fact that the bearing is at least 8 
>> years old and probably twice that.  I know I have a 1-1/4 shaft and the 
>> bearing is pretty thin walled so looking online at the availability of 
>> bearings it seemed that the only real option was a 1-1/4 x 1-1/2 x 5 inch 
>> bearing.  That's 1-1/4 ID and 1-1/2 OD.  Basically 1/8 total wall thickness 
>> (about 1/16th bronze and 1/16th rubber) Well I took it to the boat before 
>> destroying the old bearing and sure enough it looks like the right size.  
>> Seems like it will fit just right.  I went ahead and destroyed the old 
>> bearing getting it out.  Compared the now destroyed bearing to the new one 
>> and again no indication of any incorrect size.  Today I brought the new 
>> bearing (fresh from the freezer) to the boat and much to my dismay it 
>> slipped right into the strut with no resistance and probably 1/16th of play 
>> all the way around.  If I had to guess, I would think that it is instead a 
>> 1-5/8ths strut not 1-1/2.  Ugh!  So I looked online and sure enough the only 
>> next closest size is 1-3/4.  That means 1/4 inch wall thickness (1/8th inch 
>> metal, 1/8th rubber). 
>> 
>> This is when I recalled someone else on the list having a similar problem a 
>> few years ago.  I searched the archives and was unable to find the old post. 
>>  I've been to buck algonquin and a few other sites and Google searches only 
>> to find that the bearings jump from 1-1/2 to 1-3/4 with nothing in between.  
>> I'm headed back to the boat with a set of calipers but unless it turns out 
>> to be a 1-3/4 and my eyes are simply due for calibration, I'm afraid I'm 
>> running out of options.  I know that the bearings can be turned down but 
>> that seems costly and unnecessary.  I'd like a better idea.
>> 
>> 
>> All the best, 
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Seized SS Screw

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Try using an lithium impact wrench / gun. Not to be confused with an impact 
drill. The kind the garage uses to remove the lug nuts on your car rims.

I’ve used mine on several occasions and it made quick work of seized SS screws.

Believe they can be rented as well.


/John

>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Michael Brannon  wrote:
> Left handed drill bits work well on this type of problem.  
> 
> Mike Brannon
> Virginia Lee 93295
> 1978 C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I want to remove a stanchion but the SS screw in the toe rail into the 
>> stanchion is seized .I have applied PB Blaster, 50% ATF - 50% 
>> Acetonetied putting a Philips head driver and hammering it to break the 
>> bond, no luck.
>> 
>> Scared to try torch heat because of the proximity to the hull and do not 
>> have an impact driver but may get one.
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience with this?
>> 
>> 
>>> Rob Abbott
>>> AZURA
>>> C 32 - #277
>>> Halifax, N.S.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Coupler removal to install Dripless Shaft Seal

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

All,

Thanks for all of your gracious feedback, approaches, and experiences.

Checked to see if there were multiple set screws, etc. everything looks good 
from that standpoint.

Removal continues to be an issue. I left the puller on the coupler with 
pressure. Put some penetrating oil in the set screw holes and shaft entry, 
taped Over holes, and rotated shaft. Said an “our father” Prayer and left for a 
day. I’ll be back at the boat tomorrow. Next consideration will be cutting and 
replacing shaft and coupler :(.

Launch is approaching fast with access to marinas now open...

Wanna go sailing :). 


/John

> On May 20, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Also, sometimes there is a set screw on top of the set screw for those who 
> like a belt and suspenders approach.
>  
> Bill Coleman
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
> Fountain via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:49 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Paul Fountain; John Christopher
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Coupler removal to install Dripless Shaft Seal
>  
> John,
>  
> Done this twice, and it’s getting done now, the first time, used a socket 
> aligned with the prop shaft and bought some Grade8 bolts long enough to go 
> then the coupling halves, and kept evenly tightening them to press the shaft 
> out ... every time the set screw hole got to the top we added penetrating 
> oil. Two days, and two of us working on it it came off. Put in a drip less 
> then.
>  
> Second time, I cut the coupler piece on the shaft with a Dremel tool and 
> replaced it. This was as part of an engine replacement.
>  
> This year, 17 years later, the dripless needs to be serviced so have a 
> mechanic doing it, shafts released as of today, the first time I have been 
> allowed to visit the boat this spring.
>  
> Where abouts are you in Ontario?
>  
> Paul Fountain
> Perception II
> 1985 C 33-II k/cb
> Port Credit Yacht Club
>  
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of John Christopher 
> via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:23:17 PM
> To: CNC CNC 
> Cc: John Christopher 
> Subject: Stus-List Coupler removal to install Dripless Shaft Seal
>  
> All
>  
> I’m trying to install a a PSS shaft seal on my 1983 Landfall 38.
>  
> got reasonable access to V-Drive transmission , got everything ready , but 
> could not for the life of me remove shaft coupler , its really stuck on shaft 
> , and of course I need to be able to remove the shaft partially from boat to 
> install the dripless . 
>  
> I used everything I had including a 5 ton puller on shaft coupler using an 
> impact gun on the puller bolt screw at one point and it never budged AT ALL. 
> I Heated coupler with electric heat gun still never moved ..cant use gas 
> torches because the transmission seal is right there and it will get ruined.
>  
> Everything requires removing coupler first to proceed foward with dripless.
>  
> Boat is freshwater all it’s life, and I know they are dissimilar metals (SS 
> Shaft, steel coupler, bronze key (?).
>  
> Am I missing something? Is there a bolt or otherwise  somewhere that I am 
> missing?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> John
>  
> 1983 Landfall 38, #155
> Ontario Canada
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Re: Stus-List Shaft coupling removal

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Ok thanks. Was avoiding taking the coupler or anything like that for fear of 
damaging the transmission (bearings, etc). 


/John

> On May 19, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Len Mitchell  wrote:
> 
> John, I have a puller too but was able to generate more force using the 
> socket and bolts but to be honest my puller is a pretty low quality princess 
> auto tool. I may have tapped the coupling with a small hammer when I had some 
> pressure on it too. Len 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On May 19, 2020, at 9:02 PM, John Christopher  wrote:
>>> 
>> Wouldn’t a pulled work just the same?
>> 
>> 
>> /John
>> 
 On May 19, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Len Mitchell  wrote:
 
>>> John, I had to use a socket on the end of the prop shaft and pressed the 
>>> coupling off using longer bolts and nuts of the same size. Some folks have 
>>> actually cut theirs but with 2$ worth of bolts you can press it off quite 
>>> easily if there is enough room. Check your cutlass bearing if you are going 
>>> that far! 
>>> Len Mitchell
>>> Crazy Legs 
>>> 1989 37+
>>> Midland On.
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List Shaft coupling removal

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Wouldn’t a pulled work just the same?


/John

> On May 19, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Len Mitchell  wrote:
> 
> John, I had to use a socket on the end of the prop shaft and pressed the 
> coupling off using longer bolts and nuts of the same size. Some folks have 
> actually cut theirs but with 2$ worth of bolts you can press it off quite 
> easily if there is enough room. Check your cutlass bearing if you are going 
> that far!
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs 
> 1989 37+
> Midland On.
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Stus-List Coupler removal to install Dripless Shaft Seal

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

All

I’m trying to install a a PSS shaft seal on my 1983 Landfall 38.

got reasonable access to V-Drive transmission , got everything ready , but 
could not for the life of me remove shaft coupler , its really stuck on shaft , 
and of course I need to be able to remove the shaft partially from boat to 
install the dripless . 

I used everything I had including a 5 ton puller on shaft coupler using an 
impact gun on the puller bolt screw at one point and it never budged AT ALL. I 
Heated coupler with electric heat gun still never moved ..cant use gas torches 
because the transmission seal is right there and it will get ruined.

Everything requires removing coupler first to proceed foward with dripless.

Boat is freshwater all it’s life, and I know they are dissimilar metals (SS 
Shaft, steel coupler, bronze key (?).

Am I missing something? Is there a bolt or otherwise  somewhere that I am 
missing?

Thanks,

John

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Re: Stus-List Engine compartment bilge pump and blower

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Don’t disagree, but my 1983 LF 38 manual says run blower for 5 minutes before 
starting engine.

/John

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Francois Rivard  
> wrote:
> 
> When to run a blower with a Diesel?  
> 
> Never.  That's part of the whole point of having a diesel in the first place. 
>  
> 
> Best Regards, 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Interesting electrical problem

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I googled “load dump”... got an image of guy sitting on the head ;).


/John

> On Sep 27, 2019, at 3:08 AM, Matti Airas  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd check the battery and alternator connections carefully. And the main 
> switches, too. If the batteries get disconnected while the motor is on, the 
> alternator will create a load dump that can be even over 100V for a fraction 
> of a second. In principle, automotive and marine electronics should be 
> protected from that but you never know. I'm only speculating, but if that was 
> the reason, maybe the voltage spike was short enough that the fuses didn't 
> have time to heat up?
> 
> Google for "load dump" if you want to learn more.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Matti Airas
> C 36 "Hurma"
> Helsinki, Finland
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 22:26, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I have been following the list for many years and I enjoy reading the wisdom 
>> of this group.  I have an interesting problem and seek your advice.
>> 
>> I have an very intermittent electrical problem (in fact it has only happened 
>> twice in the last 7 years.  In both cases it has resulted in electrical / 
>> electronic components becoming 'blown out' with all fuses inline remaining 
>> good.
>> 
>> The first time I suddenly lost my AM/FM radio and ALL my navigation lights. 
>> The engine also stopped as I had no power to drive the electric fuel pump. 
>> This happened when motoring back home at night after a long race.  
>> Fortunately there was wind and a hand-held VHF and a powerful spotlight on 
>> the sails allowed us to be seen by commercial traffic.  Afterwards, I 
>> checked - ALL the incandescent bulbs that were on had blown, but the fuses 
>> were OK.  The radio had internal circuit board components blown but again 
>> the inline fuses (there are 2) were OK.  In the case of the fuel pump, this 
>> had to be replaced.
>> Thinking this may have been a spike from the alternator, I replaced the 
>> alternator.
>> 
>> Last week (3 years later), motoring back in the dark I had a similar 
>> problem, but this time only my VHF radio 'blew'.  Again the inline fuse was 
>> good.  The navigation lights have been replaced with LED lights and the 
>> AM/FM radio was off.
>> 
>> I often motor after long races and this has only happened twice!
>> 
>> Does anyone have any ideas as to what may have caused this.  I am an 
>> engineer so can diagnose most things but this has baffled me.
>> 
>> I am about to upgrade my VHF radio for one with DSC and internal GPS and to 
>> add some wind instruments.  (I have a Raymarine knotmeter/depth meter 
>> combined, and a EV-100 autopilot.)  I want to separate my electronics 
>> electrical input and have considered putting them on an isolated battery, 
>> but charging is a problem.  Is there some circuit protector I can put in 
>> place to stop this happening again?
>> 
>> All suggestions welcomed.
>> 
>> BTW - for those of you with 29 mk 1's - you can race them competitively in 
>> strong winds (as is usual on San Francisco Bay) - keep the boat flat and 
>> have a really good crew!
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ian Matthew
>> "Siento el Viento"  C 29-1
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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Here is what I have. I remove the panels each winter. Takes 10-15 minutes.

I’ll be at the boat tomorrow. I’ll try and take some better ones.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YYDeqZHebU1SumQ3A


/John

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Bruce Whitmore  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have re-registered to the list using my Gmail account as I was having 
> problems getting emails through m SBC/Yahoo account.  So, if some of you were 
> reaching out to me, please rest assured I was not ignoring you, and feel free 
> to send something through here or to bruce.whitmo...@gmail.com.
> 
> At any rate, I want to replace our Sunbrella bimini with a combination of 100 
> watt fixed solar panels and translucent polycarbonate structured sheets such 
> as those here:  www.hardtotop.com.
> 
> One thing though - I want to make sure both the solar panels and the plastic 
> are relatively easy to remove due to the risk of hurricanes here in Florida.
> 
> Has anyone done anything like this, and can you provide pictures?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
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Re: Stus-List To The Cleaner

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Different industry but I had my in-ground cement pool repaired last year. 

Pool professional sent me cement certifications which I verified.

Thing is the people actually doing the work were summer employees (little/no 
experience). 

Long story short almost all of the work they did didn’t hold out thru the 
winter. 

Good thing I had photographs before, after, and proving the supervisors were 
not present during the mixing and applying of the cement. Took some back and 
forth but they agreed to redo all of the work. It was that or a big court case 
and social media :)... 


/John

> On Jul 4, 2019, at 10:12 AM, John Conklin  wrote:
> 
> Josh that’s what I see They we’re not perfect  but no bronze exposed! So they 
> stripped the chrome right off the bronze !Where they could get at with the 
> big buffer oh boy!  What a project now ! Should have just cleaned  myself!!  
> big time bummer and a small town so I see this guy all over and I have no 
> intention on paying  for the lack of supervision, inexperience, and damages, 
> and the  huge scratch in my brand new glass dead center (largest piece)that I 
> stare at every time I drive the boat now   Can that be fixed? 
> Big Time Bummer for sure !
> Feelin hosed and a hard lesson learned :(
> 
> 
> John Conklin 
> S/V Halcyon 
> 
> On Jul 4, 2019, at 12:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Mary-Kate on and off can remove the chrome finish...  Looks like all your 
>> pieces where chrome plated bronze.  The only fix is to remove them and have 
>> them re-plated.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 11:38 PM John Conklin via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I really feel like I have been hosed. After doing all the yardwork  spring 
>>> clean up  lawn…. I lobbied  for the money I to get Halcyon Detailed. I have 
>>> been washing weekly but no time for the nitty gritty. I was given a line of 
>>> BS about how clean Everything would be,  every inch an For the price I 
>>> believed him  Mistake#1  He pressed me on the phone and said I have people 
>>> need hours and can start today. Mistake#2 Long story short My NEW dodger 
>>> was removed and large scratch (and several others)  very apparent.  Fumming 
>>> I called immedialty had him to boat he agreed on the bad job and promised 
>>> to make it right he would Buff out Dodger Glass. Is this possible? ? 
>>> Mistake #3
>>> 
>>> That’s was 1 1/2 weeks ago.  looks like The 2 college age girls attempted 
>>> to redo boat. And did a really bad job rinsing or used wrong products and 
>>> or really did a bad job rind=sing finishing  I they moved tools 1 box and a 
>>> huge dewalt buffer. Still not complete?
>>> 
>>> My concern and still discussing with owner of cleaning co. is that  I truly 
>>>  feel they used the wrong Materials and tools and have completely destroyed 
>>> my stanchion and gate hardware.
>>> 
>>> Fittings appear buffed right through and the leftover cleaning has 
>>> immediately in 5 days turned to green corrosion and rust in other areas. I 
>>> have had 0 issues in 2 years ?? 
>>> 
>>> Whats proper Materials to use on this
>>> 
>>> Does this appear correct?
>>> 
>>> Whats my recourse ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sorry to go on… (of full disclosure , this guy owns a C 41 also may even 
>>> be on site but I am really concerned)  Please see the fiasco pics here  
>>> appreciate the feedback as always
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Q4mQT3r3aoH5BUvoGqSWAD3E67NHhufR
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> John C
>>> 
>>> Halcyon
>>> 
>>> Heartbeat
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Thru Hull leaking from handle / cylinder

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I don’t think you can see the full seacock but this was the leak.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/T5NHhWbUy1ynxMEq7


/John

> On May 5, 2019, at 9:19 PM, sender  wrote:
> 
> can you post a link to a picture?  My 1981 gas an obsolete style Groco 
> cylinrical looking seacock.  The rubber compound in them is NOT compatible 
> with conventional greases.
> Eric
> 
>> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 4:19 PM G Collins via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi John
>> 
>> You could try tightening it, you will need two wrenches, one of them thin 
>> enough to get to the thinner nut.  I bought a cheap wrench and attacked it 
>> with an angle grinder.
>> 
>> Alternatively, if the seacock cone isn't loose, best option while in the 
>> water is to put grease nipples on the sides if they aren't there already 
>> (you mention they are?), get a grease gun at Harbor Freight / Princess Auto 
>> (depending on USA / Canada location), and crank some grease into it.   Make 
>> sure the handle is in the "open" position.
>> 
>> Good reference at https://marinehowto.com/servicing-tapered-cone-seacocks/
>> 
>> First season I had SP in the water her seacocks leaked, I greased them and 
>> was fine for the season.  I pulled a couple of them next time she was on the 
>> hard and used lapping compound to get a good seal on them.
>> 
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C 35-III #11
>>> On 2019-05-05 12:08 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Sorry all, referring to seacock is dripping around the handle.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> /John
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2019, at 10:28 AM, John Christopher  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Just launched my C 1983 Landfall 38.
>>>> 
>>>> Noticed one thru hull fitting from the cylinder where the handle attaches. 
>>>> I see what looks like has 2 grease nipples. It is not leaking from the 
>>>> base (I.e not the thru hull itself).
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts on fixing? Does it need to come out of the water?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> /John
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Thru Hull leaking from handle / cylinder

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Sorry meant seacock leaking around handle.

/John

> On May 5, 2019, at 10:28 AM, John Christopher  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just launched my C 1983 Landfall 38.
> 
> Noticed one thru hull fitting from the cylinder where the handle attaches. I 
> see what looks like has 2 grease nipples. It is not leaking from the base 
> (I.e not the thru hull itself).
> 
> Thoughts on fixing? Does it need to come out of the water?
> 
> 
> /John
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Re: Stus-List Thru Hull leaking from handle / cylinder

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Sorry all, referring to seacock is dripping around the handle.



/John

> On May 5, 2019, at 10:28 AM, John Christopher  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just launched my C 1983 Landfall 38.
> 
> Noticed one thru hull fitting from the cylinder where the handle attaches. I 
> see what looks like has 2 grease nipples. It is not leaking from the base 
> (I.e not the thru hull itself).
> 
> Thoughts on fixing? Does it need to come out of the water?
> 
> 
> /John
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Stus-List Thru Hull leaking from handle / cylinder

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi,

Just launched my C 1983 Landfall 38.

Noticed one thru hull fitting from the cylinder where the handle attaches. I 
see what looks like has 2 grease nipples. It is not leaking from the base (I.e 
not the thru hull itself).

Thoughts on fixing? Does it need to come out of the water?


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Re: Stus-List Weird rod

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

My 1983 LF 38 #155 has one.


/John

> On Apr 26, 2019, at 6:14 PM, svrebeccaleah  wrote:
> 
> Both of the landfall models (38 & 39) have not had this bar. The 38 was hull 
> #4 so maybe this rod thing is post 1979, or it wasn't installed on the 
> landfall models. 
> 
> 
> 
> Doug Mountjoy 
> Sv Rebecca Leah 
> C & C LF39
> 253-208-1412
> Port Orchard YC wa.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
> Date: 4/26/19 11:23 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
> Subject: Stus-List Weird rod
> 
> I have a metal rod in front of the rudder, which I believe is to help avoid 
> seaweed and other floating debris from fouling the rudder post.  Nothing at 
> all in front of the keel though.
> 
> Tom B
> 
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com 
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:00 AM 4/26/2019, you wrote:
> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 15:58:42 + (UTC)
>> From: johnr...@aol.com
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Metal Rod Forward of Keel
>> Message-ID: <1965119471.1023889.1556294322...@mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> All the C's in our yard have a metal rod that protrudes from the underside 
>> just ahead of the keel.? No one seems to know its purpose.
>> John McLaughlinC 29-2Falcon
> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

That’s him lol.


/John

> On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:33 AM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, he 
> bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called Northern 
> Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly used itsat 
> on a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the market for approx. 
> $35K  which I thought was an exceptional price for this boat and no one 
> locally bought it.
> 
> If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay there 
> for two weeks.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.
>> 
>> He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
>> equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a 
>> drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

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Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina. He was at the Halifax marina 
before. 

He upgraded his quite old equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, 
depth, speed. added a drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added hydrovane, 
running rigging where needed, new anchor - Rocna, chain, sails, and  a few 
other things). 

The boat was solid and dry from the get-go, so zero structural issues or wet 
decks. Yanmar is in excellent condition as verified by licensed mechanic 
(compression test, and oil analysis). 

When I said “over the last few seasons” I meant that my friend lives in 
Montreal Quebec (11 hr distance). So it took him a while to do the work, and 
enjoy some sailing at the same time. 

He had his plans back then to leave this summer so he paced himself. He’s been 
in some sea’s and his only splurge was the drogue as these boats are light 
displacement. He’ll be with his wife and she’s everything to him. Peace of mind.

Sean is asking good questions, and his gut may not be in sync with his heart 
and mind, but I can understand. In the end it’s his decision. I very much enjoy 
the views and advice of everyone is giving him. This is a FANTASTIC group of 
genuine people.

I almost bought a C 40 that needed work at port credit Toronto. But I bumped 
into the son of Eric Bruckman (had no clue who he was at the time) and he asked 
me if I was considering the boat and I said yes... I drove from Montreal to 
Toronto a few times to see the boat (and others) so I’m guessing he saw a 
pattern.

He knew the boat and asked me what my experience was and why this particular 
boat. Then he ran some numbers with me (based on what needed to be fixed) time 
and cost... He said “be patient, sailing isn’t going anywhere”... he basically 
opened my eyes. A year and a half later I bought a really great Landfall 38. I 
haven’t had to do anything to it really. I’m changing the glow plugs this year, 
and touching up the bottom paint.


/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do 
> just leaving from here?
> 
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
> 
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for his 
> trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he spent 
> more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on purchasing a 
> 35-II.
> 
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully 
> enclosed heated cockpit).
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 
>> 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 
>> 
>> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
>> Taiwan, Japan, etc)  
>> 
>> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared 
>> the boat over the last few seasons.
>> 
>> /John
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.

He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a drogue, 
had the rod rigging inspected, added hydrovane, running rigging where needed, 
new anchor - Rocna, chain, and  a few other things). The boat was solid and dry 
from the get-go, so zero structural issues or wet decks. Yanmar is in excellent 
condition as verified by licensed mechanic (compression test, and oil 
analysis). When I said “over the last few seasons” I meant that my friends 
lives in Montreal Quebec. So it took him a while to do the work, and enjoy some 
sailing at the same time. He had his plans back then to leave this summer so he 
paced himself. He’s been in some sea’s and his only splurge was the drogue as 
these boats are light displacement. He’ll be with his wife and she’s everything 
to him.

I don’t think this is the boat for Sean, but I can understand. I almost bought 
a C 40 that needed work at port credit. But I bumped into Eric Bruckman (had 
no clue who he was at the time) and he asked me if I was considering the boat 
and I said yes... He knew the boat... 

he asked me what my experience was and why this particular boat. Then he ran 
some numbers with me, time and cost... He said “be patient, sailing isn’t going 
anywhere”... he basically opened my eyes. A year and a half later I bought a 
great Landfall 38.


/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do 
> just leaving from here?
> 
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
> 
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for his 
> trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he spent 
> more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on purchasing a 
> 35-II.
> 
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully 
> enclosed heated cockpit).
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 
>> 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 
>> 
>> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
>> Taiwan, Japan, etc)  
>> 
>> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared 
>> the boat over the last few seasons.
>> 
>> /John
>> 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 37 
this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 

He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
Taiwan, Japan, etc)  

He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared the 
boat over the last few seasons.

/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Della Barba, Joe  wrote:
> 
> We have a C lister in Mexico right now. He sailed there in a Landfall 38.
> Anyone heard from Wally lately?
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn 
> Wright via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:06 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Shawn Wright 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>  
> Thanks, Dave. 
>  
> I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific 
> coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in 
> that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ 
> days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this early 
> stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go well, I'd 
> like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to search for 
> another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably just fly to 
> California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and have the 
> advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail our local 
> waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I grew up around 
> powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly at the sailboats 
> as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...
>  
> Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that 
> include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. 
> What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years 
> ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, 
> or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, 
> and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of 
> our real living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is 
> at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring 
> buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the 
> beaches this winter from all the boats washed ashore...
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin  wrote:
> Shawn,
>  
> Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.
>  
> I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no 
> stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant 
> headwinds for days on end.
>  
> I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the 
> final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours in 
> Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my boat in 
> those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.
>  
> I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with 
> (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have their 
> limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.
>  
> Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross 
> oceans just fine.  ;-)
>  
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
>  
> P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a 
> bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the 
> condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the 
> average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) 
> engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 
> 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution 
> panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin 
> sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet 
> traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop 
> there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew!
>  
> But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” 
> and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything 
> with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.
>  
> I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
> 
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've 

Stus-List 1983 Westerbeke 27 glow plugs

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Two of the 2 glow plugs on my 1983 weaterbeke 27 are faulty. I have decided to 
change all of them, but when looking online at westerbeke prices, I guessing 
there are better options.Changing them out seems straightforward enough.

Seeking advice on what brand to buy?  

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Re: Stus-List Hull windows

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

C were well ahead of their time!

/John

> On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Those snakes stole your stripe idea!
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C 39 Erie, PA
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 4:55 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Hull windows
>  
> Rob...to your point check out the new Beneteau 62.  I think it looks good and 
> opens up  the interior immensely. 
>  
> Not everbody's Cup O' Tea, but a good idea whose time has finally come.
>  
> http://www.beneteau.com/us/oceanis-yacht/oceanis-yacht-62
> Sailboats Oceanis Yacht 62 - Sailing Yacht Beneteau USA
> The innovative layout of the Oceanis Yacht 62 boasts a spacious salon and 
> plenty of separate spaces for utmost privacy and comfort. Large hull 
> portholes bathe the lavish interior and show off the exclusive woodwork 
> finishes.
> www.beneteau.com
>  
>  
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC 
> (401) 419-4650 
>  
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jim Watts via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 11:39 PM
> To: 1 CnC List
> Cc: Jim Watts
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Hull windows
>  
> Some boats can look good with hull windows, and properly engineered they 
> should not be a strength factor in the hull. 
> http://wwwiconsailing.com/assets/homepage/k1087.jpg
> Some boats look hideous with hull windows, and look like the boat will fold 
> on the dotted line. 
> https://www.oysteryachts.com/images/yachts/46/oyster_745_75ft_yacht_at_sea_on_body_of_water.jpg
> It depends...
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>  
>  
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 at 05:41, Rob Ball via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> I would love to have Windows in the hull.
> But, as you mention they are always Ugly.
> For sure fitting them into an existing hull that was not built for it, would 
> be very unwise.  There needs to be careful structure changes if a window is 
> fitted . . . . . 
> I dreamed of a full length stripe that was a window set into the hull, with 
> occasional openings inside.  You could get the windows and a good looking 
> boat. Alas, pretty hard to accomplish. The differing expansion and 
> contraction of different materials with temperature changes, etc.
> Some of the Baltic's these days have opening 'doors' in the hull.  You can 
> imagine the engineering that goes into something like that to make the boat 
> safe . . . . . 
> Maybe in my next life . . . . . 
> 
> Rob Ball.  C 34
> 
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Stus-List Prepping for 35-1 Keel Bolts/Smile Fix

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Thomas,

Check out this video Josh Muckley put out.

https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc


/John

> On Feb 6, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Thomas Delaney  wrote:
> 
> Hi  listers,
> 
> First of- thanks for all of your suggestions for rebuilding my navtec 
> backstay adjuster. It was serviced by a shop in Oyster Bay, NY and the local 
> rigger (Jeff Lazar, whom I can't recommend enough) handled the removal and 
> reinstall. So, onto the next project!
> 
> I've been buying tools as I need them for projects, and this spring I'm going 
> to make sure my keep is securely attached to the boat.
> 
> Obviously I'll need a torque wrench, a socket, and an extension for the 
> forward bolt at the mast. Does anyone know offhand what size bolt is in the 
> 35-1? Otherwise I'll add calipers to the list of tools.
> 
> The nuts and bolts are rust free, and the PO replaced the iron washers with 
> stainless backing plates. I can see they were bedded with a some caulking. I 
> am going to remove the nuts, one by one, clean and rebed the backing plates 
> with 4200, and bring the bolts to somewhere below the final torque setting 
> for a few days before the finishing the torquing to 100%. 
> 
> Once that is done and it warms up, I am going to address the leading edge of 
> the keel with gflex, fair it, and paint the bottom.
> 
> Am I missing anything obvious in the bolt torquing procedure?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> ---
> Snow Goose
> 35-1
> City Island, NY
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Stus-List CALL REMINDER

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi David,

I’d love to join. Is this a toll free number? I live in Canada.

/John

> On Dec 29, 2018, at 10:08 AM, David  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please join us for a call with Denis about his transatlantic passage aboard 
> his C & C 27 Mk 5.
> 
> Call details;
> 
> 12/31 at 1:00pm EST
> (605) 472-5628.  Access code 542240
> 
> Playback number for those who cannot make the scheduled call is (605) 475-4957
> 
> Please mute your phones!!! 
> 
> I tried to attached his diary from his passage to this email, but the server 
> did not like that.  Send me an email personally and I will forward it to you. 
> 
> Whatever questions you have I will forward to Denis prior to the call. Even 
> if you cannot make the call, do send along your questions. 
> 
> The call will be an hour (approximate) in duration.
> 
> If you are so inclined to donate for the call please donate our Friend Stu.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
> (401) 419-4650 
> 
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Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Very nice read with a coffee!

Rob Ball you’re a living legend!


/John

> On Dec 15, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> As there are now over 100 article in Wikipedia that mention Rob Ball (mostly 
> as yacht designer at C Yachts) I felt it was time an entry was created to 
> explain who he is.
> 
> So now there is a short article about Robert W. Ball: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Ball
> 
> Please have a look when you have a few minutes,
> 
> Ken Heaton
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
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Stus-List Speaker...

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I’m in!

/John

> On Dec 8, 2018, at 10:39 AM, John Conklin  wrote:
> 
> I am in would love to hear it sounds great both of them
> 
> John Conklin 
> S/V Halcyon 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Chris Graham via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>> Amazing!
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> On Friday, December 7, 2018, 9:12 AM, David via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I was recently introduced to the gentlemen who sailed across the Atlantic on 
>> his C 27 Mk 5 in 1992.
>> 
>> He has graciously accepted my offer to have him speak  of his experience to 
>> our group via conference call.
>> 
>> Is there interest?
>> 
>> David F. Risch, J. D.
>> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
>> (401) 419-4650 
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Re: Stus-List padwheel issues

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Can’t wait to see the video 


/John

> On Oct 11, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Daniel Cormier  wrote:
> 
> I swapped it out for the plug tonight and it worked. I got about 4 or 5 cups 
> of water out but nothing severe. The wheel was full of baby muscles. I 
> cleaned it out, gave it a spin and got all my data! Working and AOK! :) 
> thanks everyone for the feedback and tips!
> 
> Dan
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 7:17 PM, robert via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dan:
>> One thing with my 2 plugs, both the transducer and the blank, they fit down 
>> into the thru hull in an exact position.yours may be differentbut on 
>> mine, on both plugs, there are two points that have to be lined up to drop 
>> into their respective slots on the thru hullone obvious reason for this 
>> is to ensure you install the padwheel in the correct position, facing 
>> forward and not to a side angleon both plugs, I need a few turns down 
>> before I can feel if they are in their slotsI know when things are lined 
>> up because I can now longer turn the plug.  
>> 
>> But like I said, mine is an old 34 year Signet but it works fine when the 
>> padwheel is clean of any debris. 
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 - #277
>> Halifax, N.S 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 9:59 AM Dan via CnC-List  
 wrote:
  or bite the bullet and try pulling the sensor out completely and 
 replacing it with the plug which to me sounds like extremely risky 
 business but you guys seem to think it's a breeze...
 
 WISH ME LUCK!
 
 Dan
 
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Re: Stus-List Update to "How long owned a C"

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi,

1983 C Landfall, 38 Hull #155
Cassidy’s Free

Kingston Ontario, Canada

3rd Owner

Owned since 2016



/John

> On Oct 6, 2018, at 1:23 PM, Neil Andersen  
> wrote:
> 
> 1982 C 32
> FoxFire
> Rock Hall, MD
> Owned since 1999
> 2nd or 3rd owner
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>  
>  
> From: 20352474700n behalf of 
> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:08 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Daniel Cormier
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Update to "How long owned a C"
>  
> 1986 C
> Breakaweigh
> Halifax, NS
> Owned for 1 year
> 3 years sailing experience
> 
> Dan Cormier
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 5, 2018, at 6:03 PM, T power via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks for doing the spreadsheet, really cool. If it is not too late could 
>> you please add the following;
>> 
>> 1973 C 30 MK1 
>> Invictus
>> Hull #150
>> FYC Fredericton NB 
>> owned for two years, I have 3 years of sailing experience. 
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> Tom Power
>> Invictus
>> C 30 MK1
>> Fredericton, NB
>>  
>> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Tom Sancton via 
>> CnC-List 
>> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:51 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Tom Sancton
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Update to "How long owned a C"
>>  
>> Please add
>> 
>> 1984. 35-3. #82.  Morning Light
>> DYC.   Dartmouth, NS
>> Tom Sancton
>> Owned 6 years, sailed 42
>> sancton@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 4, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > This is an update to the spread sheet (attached) from the replies to 
>> > Jack's request, in which I have added emails addresses.
>> > 
>> > Please let me know by email, if you want to make corrections to the list.
>> > 
>> > Best regards,
>> > 
>> > Don Kern
>> > Fireball - 12708
>> > 1974 C 35 Mk2
>> > Bristol, RI 02809
>> > 
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Stus-List Refinishing the stairs on C 34

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Alan,

I have the same problem (stairs too steep) on my LF 38 and was thinking or 
building new stairs completely (father in law has a professional shop with all 
the woodworking tools). Was thinking of building something more modern like the 
Beneteau where the sides of the stairs curve up, and having metal grab rails. I 
drew out the plans but it is an intensive project for 4-6 steps.

Your suggestion seems elegant and straight forward. Can you share a picture of 
the finished product?

/John

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 12:16 PM, ALAN BERGEN  wrote:
> 
> When I took mine apat, I don't remember whether they were glued (I don't 
> think so), but they came apart pretty easily. I found the stairs too steep, 
> so I split the sides down the middle, added a piece of 1 x 6 teak in between 
> them, glued the pieces together using biscuits, and extended the dados 
> through the piece that I added. It's now a lot more comfortable going up and 
> down the stairs. I finished the stairs with Watco teak oil, and added 
> Treadmaster to make the steps less slippery.
> 
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> My C stars were painted—so I repainted them.  Looks great now!
>> 
>> Bob Boyer
>> s/v Rainy Days
>> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
>> (Presently in Baltimore for the summer)
>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>> 
>> > On Oct 4, 2018, at 10:59 AM, DON JONSSON via CnC-List 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi
>> > 
>> > I'm thinking about refinishing the stairs on our C 34.  Wondering if 
>> > they are glued as well as screwed together.  Does anyone know?  
>> > 
>> > Thanks
>> > Don
>> > Andante, Victoria
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 152, Issue 102

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Stephen,

Take a look at YouTube channel sailing Britaly. They are live-aboards and have 
a 6 month old baby. 

I’m not sure if this is your first child, and if so, I can understand the 
parental learning curve and protectiveness that comes with it. I can assure you 
it never goes away. 

We have 2 (girl boy) still quite young, and they are totally at home in the 
boat. They’re mobile and bounce around like there’s no tomorrow. We all learned 
together and ingrained some very basic safety rules.

/John

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 10:56 PM, Stephen Thorne  wrote:
> 
> I have owned DejaVu, a 1990 34/36 for the past 7 years.  She is my third C 
> before her a 24' then another 34'.  We sailed the hell out of her all around 
> the Gulf of Mexico but now she sits on a custom trailer in Pensacola Shipyard 
> Marina.  The birth of a child will do that to you ;)   Thought long and hard 
> about parting ways with her but I cant do it, so she remains sidelined and 
> dearly missed for all the great adventures she surely brought to us all who 
> sailed her.  Maybe I will bring her up to Lake Lanier and someday give her to 
> my son Max, who is 2 years old.
> 
> Stephen Thorne
> C 34/36 DejaVu
> 
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>>1. Re:  Rob - C long time question (Gary Nylander)
>>2. Re:  years a C owner (bwhitmore)
>>3.  C Owner (Jeff Bechtel)
>>4. Re:  Me Love C Long Time (Edd Schillay)
>>5. Re:  years a C owner (Doug Mountjoy)
>>6. Re:  Rob - C long time question (John Conklin)
>> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:00:20 -0400
>> From: "Gary Nylander" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob - C long time question
>> Message-ID: <013901d4567b$344a07a0$9cde16e0$@atlanticbb.net>
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>> 
>> 24 years and counting.
>> 
>> Gary 30-1 #593 ? 1980 vintage
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Jack Fitzgerald 
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:51 AM
>> To: C 
>> Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob - C long time question
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Al,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a question for the list.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How many of you have owned your current C yacht for 5 years or longer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> FYI - we have owned Honey since October 1976 and are currently the second 
>> owners.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Jack Fitzgerald, 
>> 
>> HONEY - US12788
>> 
>> 1974 C 39 TM
>> 
>> Savannah, GA 31410 USA
>> 
>> 
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>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:53 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> Question for Rob:
>> 
>> At the time, was the fact that C seem to be owned far longer than most 
>> boats ever discussed ? Was this considered a good or bad thing?
>> 
>> We have owned Coquina since 1977 and she is ? knock on FRP ? on track to be 
>> sailed by the third generation. I have sailed her since I was 12.
>> 
>> I recall a frustrated C broker telling me ?No one trades up. Catalina 
>> owners buy boats every 5 years and you all keep them for decades!?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>> C 35 MK I
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BTW ? thread creep ? Having a C 35 in the early or mid 70s was like having 
>> a Ferrari when everyone else had a golf cart. We bought one because someone 
>> else had one on the river and that boat passed the rest of us like we were 
>> aground :)
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Re: Stus-List C 39 Sovereign

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I wonder it it was on shore power. I was reading the threads here on smart 
plugs.


/John

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Re: Stus-List Docking seamanship

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,

Maybe this docking stick is of help. You can find it on Amazon.

https://youtu.be/0YSn3qR_FQw

https://youtu.be/NUTim_7PVJQ

/John

> On Aug 8, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the suggestions.  
> 
> I was over at the boat yesterday and explored several.  The one that looks 
> most promising was suggested by several listers, the continuous line from 
> forward to the cockpit.  I attached a line to the toerail and brought it 
> outside the lifelines back to the primary winch.  I configured it such that, 
> when dropped on the pier's outermost cleat, it will stop the boat and keep 
> the stern from swinging away from the pier.  Didn't actually try it but I am 
> optimistic.
> 
> The challenge will be dropping it on the cleat if single handing.  It's a 
> floating pier and the cleat is a couple feet below the toe rail.
> 
> BTW, I will attach the line to the toe rail with a soft shackle.  That will 
> prevent damage to the toe rail anodizing as well as minimize damage to the 
> dock line.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> OK, after 20 years  of ownership, I'm pretty good at driving Touche'.  
>> Touche's "home" slip in Louisiana is in a fairly protected bayou, has both 
>> outboard and midships pilings on either side and a port side finger pier.  I 
>> can competently back Touche' in using propwalk, etc. without touching any 
>> pilings.  Whoopee.
>> 
>> However, the "temporary" slip I use in Pensacola is a whole different 
>> scenario.  First, it has a starboard side finger pier which extends to just 
>> short of full boat length.  Second, it is a double slip with NO pilings 
>> between Touche' and my neighbor, an IP 37.  Third, the prevailing wind is 
>> from the starboard side.  
>> 
>> In Pensacola, I dock Touche' bow in for privacy and scenic view issues.  
>> Docking stern in isn't a desirable option because the bow will fall off 
>> towards my neighbor while docking and looking at a scenic bayou is 
>> preferable to looking at a working boatyard.
>> 
>> So, docking bow in with a wind from starboard and prop walk which pulls the 
>> boat to port is a challenge.  The wind pushes the boat dramatically to port 
>> when docking.  The prop walk exacerbates the movement to port.  The wind and 
>> prop walk both working against the boat sucks.
>> 
>> I've tried several techniques with limited to moderate success.  The best 
>> the Admiral and I have come up with is to approach at a slight upwind angle 
>> to the finger pier, have a spring/warp line attached a bit forward of 
>> midships, have crew leap off the boat and secure the spring to the outermost 
>> cleat on the finger pier to stop forward motion.  Once the line is secure, 
>> we warp the stern in with forward propulsion and left rudder and secure a 
>> stern line.  The stern still tries to swing to port midway through this 
>> process but we manage it.
>> 
>> Now for my main issue.  Docking single handed.  I can't see myself 
>> approaching the pier, putting the boat in reverse, scrambling out of the 
>> steering station past the Bimini bows, securing the spring line, jumping 
>> back on the boat, warping the stern in and then securing the stern line by 
>> myself.
>> 
>> Any secret tricks I haven't explored?
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Soda blasting bottoms

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I always wondered if this would work. How many PSI was your pressure washer?


/John

> On Aug 8, 2018, at 12:09 PM, schiller  wrote:
> 
> The last time that I did Corsair (1970 Redwing 35), I used my pressure washer 
> and a turbo nozzle.  Stripped the paint off without affecting the barrier 
> coat.  I put down a tarp to collect the bottom paint (Micron CSC), but the 
> yard didn't really care.  I got the tarp from Harbor Freight and just tossed 
> it after I was done.  Paint came off pretty easily once I got the technique 
> down.  A light sand afterwards and two coats of Micron CSC and I was back in 
> business.  I tried the pressure washer on the advice of the yard owner.
> 
> Neil Schiller
> 1983 C 35-3, #028
> "Grace"
> Whitehall, Michigan
> WLYC
> 
>> On 8/8/2018 9:32 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>> I need to have several/many coats of bottom paint removed (its starting to 
>> seriously flake off) and am considering soda blasting as both faster and 
>> possibly cheaper than the 60 hours of labor that the
>> yard estimates it would take to sand it off.(~$5000!).
>>  
>> Opinions and experiences of the list are welcome before I proceed with it 
>> (or stay with the sanding method).
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Charlie Nelson
>> Water Phantom
>> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>>  
>> cenel...@aol.com
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Fun Sailing Videos

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I do watch your channel as well.


/John

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Daniel Cormier  wrote:
> 
> You forgot your very own Sailing Balachandra (my channel) lol
> But we’re one of the few channels sailing on a C!
> We don’t have the following those other channels have but we also didn’t 
> start back in 2012 when it was new and they built their core audiences... AND 
> we’re not cruising around the South China Sea naked! (Yet) 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/sailingbalachandra
> 
> Dan
> Balachandra
> C
> Halifax, NS
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:54 AM, coltrek--- via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Where do you find all those energetic Young Bucks? And great 
>> cinematographers too, by the way! Nice job.! That would be a great race to 
>> do - on someone else's boat!
>> 
>> Bill Coleman 
>> C 39
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be entertained these YouTube videos one of my crewmembers made of 
>> the Bermuda Race with me on Masquerade, the boat that replaced my treasured 
>> C 40.
>> https://youtu.be/_hFRocpOT6I
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI 
>> USA02840
>> 
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 16:05, James Bibb via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Im with you!
>> 
>> Janes Bibb 
>> C 34-36r Darwin’s Folly
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Tim Rutherford via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Am I the only one who sits up late on week nights sailing vicariously 
>> through others' YouTube  videos? (while usually knocking back a few cold 
>> ones)
>> 
>> My favorites are:
>> S/V Delos - explores cultures of the world aboard a 53' Amel Super Miramu 
>> 2000 with 6 aboard
>> Abandon Comfort - young couple casting off in pursuit of minimalism
>> Another Adventure - Key West minimalist sailor, series is in it's infancy
>> Sailing LaVagabond - couple sailing the world aboard 45' new Otremer 
>> catamaran donated by the manufacturer
>> Sailing Zingaro - minimalist couple DIY fix-it
>> More daily...
>> 
>> Of course we sail every Thursday and at least every other weekend, so 
>> there's that. More cruising soon.
>> 
>> Anyone else?
>> 
>> --
>> Tim Rutherford
>> C 36 KCB Chamamé
>> DIYC Tampa, FL
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Re: Stus-List Fun Sailing Videos

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I do the same :).

I watch:

- Winded Voyaged -Nice story telling, and music
- Sailing Talisman - Couple sailing the Med
- RAN sailing - Swedish Couple in the pacific (great channel)
- Adventures of an old sea dog - Single handed
- Sail Life - complete DIY refit (amazing what he’s doing)
- Life is like sailing - PNW great cinematography
- Ruby Rose - British / Australian couple
- And a few others. 

I must admit I’m behind due to summer activities, but they help thru the dark 
winter months.


/John

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Tim Rutherford  
> wrote:
> 
> Am I the only one who sits up late on week nights sailing vicariously through 
> others' YouTube  videos? (while usually knocking back a few cold ones)
> 
> My favorites are:
> S/V Delos - explores cultures of the world aboard a 53' Amel Super Miramu 
> 2000 with 6 aboard
> Abandon Comfort - young couple casting off in pursuit of minimalism
> Another Adventure - Key West minimalist sailor, series is in it's infancy
> Sailing LaVagabond - couple sailing the world aboard 45' new Otremer 
> catamaran donated by the manufacturer
> Sailing Zingaro - minimalist couple DIY fix-it
> More daily...
> 
> Of course we sail every Thursday and at least every other weekend, so there's 
> that. More cruising soon.
> 
> Anyone else?
> 
> --
> Tim Rutherford
> C 36 KCB Chamamé
> DIYC Tampa, FL
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Re: Stus-List Amazing USCG rescue - Anybody else see this?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Yeah, amazing read... 150 miles left in their journey to port. Feel bad for the 
couple and hats off to the USCG... from Canada 


/John

> On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
> 
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1739506892791962=11980054663
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Re: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

FWIW, and I’m not promoting 1 over the other, but I was dealing with Skippers 
Plan and changed over to Gateway Insurance.


/J

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Paul Fountain  wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
>  
> Check with Andrew Robertson at Skippers Plan, if they require an out of the 
> water survey – or if they will accept one done afloat.
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jeff 
> Bechtel via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:00 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jeff Bechtel 
> Subject: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance
>  
> I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C M1 that has 
> no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
> I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
> insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
> Any advice?
> Jeff
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Re: Stus-List how to search the archives and marine insurance

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Jeff,

I’m based in Quebec and my boat is in Ontario. I’m using Gateway Insurance

You can contact;

Daniel MacMillan, B.Comm
Area Manager
Gateway Insurance, Halifax-South Shore
Direct: 902.233.6600
Office: 902.431.9300
dmacmil...@gatewayinsurance.ca

Cant speak highly enough about Dan!

/J

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Bechtel  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for any advice on marine insurance for a 1977 C M1 that has 
> no current survey. I'm in Toronto, Ontario.
> I'd prefer not to pull the boat out of the water until the fall, but all the 
> insurance companies want an out of water survey to insure.
> Any advice?
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Stus-List Below deck auto pilot installation for C 40 (David)

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I imagine you can use an oscillating tool as well.


/J

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Gary Russell  wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> If by victimless support, you mean the vertical piece of 1.5" plywood 
> attached to the rudder tube (and the hull and cockpit floor), it supports the 
> cockpit floor and keeps the now cut rudder tube aligned.  It is an essential 
> part of the hull structure at that point.
> 
> I used a Sawzall to cut the tube with the rudder post still in place.  The 
> tube is so much softer than the shaft, that you can "feel" the shaft as you 
> cut through the tube without doing an damage to the shaft.  My shaft had the 
> key way extended down to the location of the cut.  Some shafts don't.
> 
> Gary
> Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> ~~~_/)~~
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 11:33 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Gary
>> 
>> A few questions...
>> 
>> Why the beefy victimless support?
>> 
>> What did you use to cut out the rudder tube?
>> 
>> thx
>> 
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera 
>> 1990 C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
>> C 305.409.3660
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2018, at 5:18 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 22:30:29 -0400
>>> From: Gary Russell 
>>> To: "C List" 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List  ?Re: Below deck auto pilot installation for
>>>C 40 (David)
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> On Kaylarah (37+) I had to reinforce the rudder assembly and then cut the
>>> rudder tube to insert the Edson Rudder Arm.  See here
>>> .  It
>>> works extremely well.
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> S/V Kaylarah
>>> '90 C 37+
>>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>> 
>>> ~~~_/)~~
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Re: Stus-List cockpit drain seacocks

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Dan,

I believe I have the same ones. I did the same as you with no progress. I then 
got a hollow metal tube at the Home Depot to use as leverage over the handles, 
and seemingly without much effort (leverage working at its best$ I was able to 
work them open and closed.

/J

> On May 24, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> I'm on the hard. I have these two giant bronze seacocks for my cockpit drain 
> hoses.
> 
> photos on google drive:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12TWUN1oiyiACR0IvaBKlEo2HqdzPMmqY
> 
> I have no clue how old they are but they are totally seized in the open 
> position. I've tried WD-40, a heat gun and a rubber mallet but can't get them 
> to budge.
> 
> My question is should I rip these out and put in some sort of replacement or 
> should I just leave them. When will I ever want to close seacocks to the 
> cockpit drains?
> Clearly the previous owner was not in the habit of closing these.
> 
> What should I do?
> 
> Dan
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
> 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 145, Issue 146

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

All,

Thanks a lot for the varying responses and insights.

We primarily want to use it when at our marina to have better reach / coverage 
to the supplied WiFi.


/J

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>   2. Re:  Omni WiFi antenna installation / connection (Dreuge)
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Re: Stus-List Omni WiFi antenna installation / connection range

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Paul,

Are you running the cable inside your mast? Anything special there?


/J

> On Feb 26, 2018, at 11:44 AM, Paul E  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> About 3 yrs ago I installed a WiFi system with the Ubiquiti BULLET-M2-HP WiFi 
> radio mounted on top of the mast.   These units are built for outdoor use and 
> require no addition weather proofing.  My system has survived several 
> tropical storms and a hurricane, and still works flawlessly.   I use it while 
> cruising, and while most WiFi’s  are secure now a days, getting access has 
> been a minor issue.  You will be surprised how many restaurants use their 
> phone number for passwords.  Visiting an establishment is another easy way to 
> obtain a WiFi password.   I once connect to wifi while anchored in an island 
> cove several miles off shore from the source which was a RV park on shore.  
> 
>  That said, +90% of my use is at docks.   I have been to many marinas and 
> clubs where the provided WiFi signal is too weak for reliable device use.  At 
> our club, my phone and laptop don’t even see the club’s network.   But the 
> bullet connects with no issue.
> 
> I built my system for about $100.  Most of the work is plug and play except 
> for the initial configuration.   I have posted the details of my 
> installation, including the configuration, on my blog.
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/WiFiWork
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:00 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:52:58 -0500
>> From: John Christopher 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Omni WiFi antenna installation / connection range
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Has anyone installed an Omni WiFi antenna? If so;
>> 
>> - which model (ubiquity or otherwise), - - where did you install the antenna 
>> (Mast, Arch, etc)
>> - 2.4GHz or 5GHz
>> - What DBi (and actual range / strength are you getting).
>> 
>> We?ll be spending most of the summer on the boat (with kids) ?.
>> 
>> Any other information is appreciated.
>> 
>> Cassidy?s Free
>> LF 38, #155
> 
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Stus-List Omni WiFi antenna installation / connection range

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi,

Has anyone installed an Omni WiFi antenna? If so;

- which model (ubiquity or otherwise), - - where did you install the antenna 
(Mast, Arch, etc)
- 2.4GHz or 5GHz
- What DBi (and actual range / strength are you getting).

We’ll be spending most of the summer on the boat (with kids) .

Any other information is appreciated.

Cassidy’s Free
LF 38, #155

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Re: Stus-List Ronin’s Overdue Refit

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I second that.

/J

> On Feb 22, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
>  
> You did a bang-up job of refurbishing your boat!
>  
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C 39 Erie, PA
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave 
> Godwin via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 4:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dave Godwin
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast
>  
> Dennis,
>  
> Switching to sailing mode as I type. Just finished packing for a 4:00 AM 
> departure to Sarasota. Florida for the Corsair Nationals. Two days practice 
> on Wednesday and Thursday. Three days of racing starting Friday.
>  
> Push Touche’ a bit longer and further South and I’ll stand you to a beer!
>  
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
>  
> P.S.  Dark and Stormy’s for me...
>  
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Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

You can check out this website to compare dollars then to now.

I calculated 32K (Guess) in 1979 and it calculated 109634.44 in 2017 taking 
inflation into account.

https://westegg.com/inflation/


John
- LF 38, 1983, #155



> On Feb 15, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Della Barba, Joe  wrote:
> 
> I think the original owners of Coquina paid $24K to buy here new in 1973 and 
> we paid $35K in 1977. We paid $34K for our house in 1969, so I grew up 
> thinking boat>house was a normal state of affairs.
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:23 PM
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 original list price
>  
> Paul,
>  
> Doesn't answer your post but below is a link to Touche's original 1971 order 
> from the yacht broker to Hinterhoeller.  Shows a base price of $18,760 with 
> $872 worth of options.  A Landfall 10 years later would have been a wee bit 
> more.
>  
> Interesting note on Page 2, Item 81.  "DO NOT install genoa sheet winches or 
> cleats."  Never have figured that one out.
>  
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y6lBr8452ciJtkdrVQ2OLIKTbJAuFgb5
>  
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I was asked a question about the Landfall 38 original list price, and  I 
> realized I had no clue.   Does anyone know what they were original going for 
> in 1981 or thereabouts?
>  
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>  
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>  
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole chock mast mount

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

A carpenters trick is to;

- place the teak against the mast
- gauge the widest gap between the teak and the mast (outer edge)
- wrap tape around a pencil same amount as gap (This will give you the widest 
point)
- hold teak against mast, and trace the pencil (with tape) along the mast 
starting from widest point to the other end of the piece of teak.
- this results in the exact curvature you need.
- sand / cut (drum sander or otherwise)

Contour gage works just as well, but if you don’t have one, and don’t plan to 
use it often, the above saves some money.


/J

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Tape a piece of 60 grit sandpaper to the mast.  Rub a piece of teak, 
> Starboard, UHMW or whatever up and down until it conforms to the mast.  2-3 
> beer job.  Builds biceps.  Better to hoist more beers.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018 5:20 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"  
>> wrote:
>> Ok Guys,
>> 
>> I've been test fitting the whisker pole and track extensions to the mast 
>> while it is pulled.  I need an extra section of track to get the inboard end 
>> of the pole high enough so that I can stow the pole on the mast.  I'm pretty 
>> much all set but I'm down to the chock which will hold the outboard end of 
>> the pole.  The chock has a flat base and needs to be mounted on the curved 
>> leading edge of the mast.
>> 
>> I'm interested in the collective wisdom as to how to handle this situation.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 145, Issue 56

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

How do you remove Cetol? Do you use a heat gun? If so what about the gel coat? 
Do you sand it off? I’m considering doing the toerails on my LF 38.


/J

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Re: Stus-List Restarting Thread - Insurance

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You could very well be right (being in Canada) for the last 10 years, but let’s 
keep an eye on what the fine print says on renewal forms as a trend.


/J

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Isn’t one of the options the so called “agreed value” insurance? This is what 
> I am using for over 10 years (both for the previous boat and this one). This 
> way, the value does not depreciate over time. You agree on the value (in fact 
> you call it, but they adjust the premium) and that’s it. Any additional costs 
> (liability, salvage etc.) don’t depreciate, so it is not the issue.
>  
> just my 2 (Canadian) cents
>  
> Marek
> in Ottawa, ON
>  
> From: John Christopher via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 11:57
> To: Joel Aronson
> Cc: John Christopher ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Restarting Thread - Insurance: SHAME on Boat 
> U.S./Geico!
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Have been monitoring this thread from the Canadian north.
>  
> A pattern to consider in relation to depreciation is, considering the 
> hurricanes, storms, frequency, numbers, and perhaps where people store their 
> boats for the winter (mainland or other).
>  
> It comes to mind the insurers are also mitigating  their risk for the future. 
> As a result they have devised a method that supports paying out far less than 
> they do today due to the increased frequency of disasters.
>  
> I don’t mean to stir the pot here, just an observation.
> 
> 
> /J
> 
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Re: Stus-List Restarting Thread - Insurance: SHAME on Boat U.S./Geico!

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi,

Have been monitoring this thread from the Canadian north.

A pattern to consider in relation to depreciation is, considering the 
hurricanes, storms, frequency, numbers, and perhaps where people store their 
boats for the winter (mainland or other). 

It comes to mind the insurers are also mitigating  their risk for the future. 
As a result they have devised a method that supports paying out far less than 
they do today due to the increased frequency of disasters.

I don’t mean to stir the pot here, just an observation.


/J

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
> My GEICO policy has a deductible and this:
> 
> We will pay the reasonable cost of repairs with depreciation applied to the 
> repair or replacement of the following items: inflatable dinghies, paint and 
> finishes protective covers, fabric or sails. Depreciation shall also apply to 
> outdrive units, outboard motors and gel coat beginning with the sixth year 
> from the year of manufacture, and to internal machinery beginning with the 
> eleventh year from the year of manufacture. 
> 
> Joel
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:59 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Have made inquiry to our agent on this point – will advise.  Seems a good 
>> idea for all of us to do check on this
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> John and Maryann
>> 
>> Legacy III
>> 
>> 1982 C 34
>> 
>> Noank, CT
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
>> Stafford via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 8:33 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Randy Stafford; Keith Bridges; Keith Oulson; Judi Suarez; BoatUS
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Restarting Thread - Insurance: SHAME on Boat 
>> U.S./Geico!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank you Bruce.  I have made the decision to switch from BoatUS to 
>> Ameriprise/Progressive.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Feb 8, 2018, at 5:43 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> First, thanks to Eric for pointing out a CRITICAL provision in the new Boat 
>> U.S. policies now issued by Geico.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I read my new policy (which has only been in force since February 2nd) and 
>> found the following provision:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "We will pay the reasonable cost of repairs and replacements, in accordance 
>> with quality marine repair practice, less depreciation (emphasis added).  
>> Depreciation shall be calculated at 10% for each year beginning with the 
>> 20th year from manufacture.  In all cases, there shall remain no less than 
>> 20% residual value regardless of age."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I then researched all the information provided during the quoting process.  
>> This was not disclosed.  I then called Boat U.S., and they agreed they had 
>> not informed me of this provision, and then offered me (for an upcharge of 
>> $64), an endorsement that would take away the depreciation provision, but 
>> only for the hull, mast, spars, railings, but not much more.  They do not 
>> normally offer this endorsement unless the boat is less than 10 years old 
>> (So what's the value in that?).  In my mind, that endorsement is worthless - 
>> just think about that nice $2,000 chart plotter that gets fried by 
>> lightning...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For a 1994 boat like mine, that means a partial loss would have only 
>> resulted in recovery of 60% after the $1,200 deductible, and for my last 
>> boat, (a 1977) only 20%.  For that kind of coverage on my old boat, I'd just 
>> go bare!  The policy I had in place until last week was slightly more 
>> expensive. but does not include a depreciation provision of that magnitude.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am immediately urging all folks I know to immediately shop their coverage 
>> and move it to a company that does not apply depreciation as soon as 
>> possible. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1).  I am embarrassed to have to admit that as a person with 30+ years in 
>> the insurance industry, I had not read my policy.
>> 
>> 2).  The person I spoke with on the phone confirmed that this was not a 
>> provision of the prior CNA policies issued through Boat U.S.
>> 
>> 
>> 3). I consider this bad faith on the part of the insurer and the licensed 
>> brokers at Boat U.S.  I intend to file a formal complaint with the Florida 
>> Department of Insurance accordingly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is exactly the kind of thing that would get me involved in an Errors & 
>> Omissions claim if I did this to a client, and I made that abundantly clear 
>> to the person I was talking to at Boat U.S.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I will also post this on other boards.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"  
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt torque

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Nice! Thanks...


/J

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
> 
> Ask and you shall receive.
> 
> https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 12:47 PM John Christopher  wrote:
>> Hi Josh,
>> 
>> Were you able to video the process? If so will you upload to YouTube (I’m 
>> one of your subs) :)?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> /J
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I had pretty decent luck torqueing the keel bolts today.  A few of the 
>>> studs were damaged/corroded on the threads extending past the nut but not 
>>> on the threads protected by the nut when fully tightened.  I lubed the 
>>> rough threads with extra thick tef-gel and things seemed to go together 
>>> smooth enough.  The 3:1 multiplier was effective but I think a 4:1 or 5:1 
>>> would have made the job a little easier.  I was definitely glad I brought a 
>>> 3 foot pipe to help stabilize the reaction bar.  It was extremely helpful 
>>> to have a second person present to monitor and stabilize the whole 
>>> apparatus.  I stand by my statement from last night that keeping the 
>>> operating wrench as close to the multiplier as possible minimizes the 
>>> creation of odd twisting motions.  My concerns of using an output drive 
>>> extension were unfounded and I would encourage anyone who is hesitating, to 
>>> use one.
>>> 
>>> We were out of the water and set on a block around 9:30am and done with the 
>>> torque by 12:30.  This included removing each nut, cleaning the nut and 
>>> stud, and then reinstalling each one at a time.  Overall a very smooth 
>>> process but the preparation was a very important part.
>>> 
>>> I used the torque values from the link below as a guide.  316 SS 
>>> lubricated. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Torque%20of%20Stainless%20Steel,%20Non%20ferrous%20Torque.pdf
>>> 
>>> Keel bolts (fwd to aft):
>>>  Nut   stud   torque3:1 
>>> multiplier
>>> 1 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  255 =  85 x 3
>>> 2 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
>>> 3 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
>>> 4 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
>>> 5 - 1 7/8 (47.5mm)1 1/4 (32mm)   465 =  155 x 3
>>> 6 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
>>> 7 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  255 =  85 x 3
>>> 8 - 3/4 (19.5mm)1/2 (13mm)  38
>>> 
>>> Josh Muckley 
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2018 3:18 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"  
>>> wrote:
>>> Ok Guys,
>>> Since I have the mast out, this provides the rare opportunity to access ALL 
>>> of the keel bolts.  I've measured each of the bolt and nut diameters and 
>>> checked the archives for torque specs.  I intend to buy a toque multiplier 
>>> and the appropriate sized sockets.  I think I can do it for less than the 
>>> yard is going to charge and I'll come out of it with some tools.  I'll also 
>>> be able to tell myself that it was done correctly.
>>> 
>>> That being said it sounds like the best practices are are follows:
>>> -  be on the hard
>>> - loosen the bolts one at a time, clean, and lubricate with tef-gel
>>> - reinstall and torque at progressively higher levels.
>>> 
>>> I was unable to find the torque spec for my 1.5" bolt in the website but 
>>> Ken Heaton cited 600lbs in one of his past responses.
>>> 
>>> Keel bolts (fwd to aft):
>>>  Nut   stud   torque
>>> 1 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  350
>>> 2 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
>>> 3 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
>>> 4 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
>>> 5 - 1 7/8 (47.5mm)1 1/4 (32mm)   450
>>> 6 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
>>> 7 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  350
>>> 8 - 3/4 (19.5mm)1/2 (13mm)  80
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anything I'm missing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt torque

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Josh,

Were you able to video the process? If so will you upload to YouTube (I’m one 
of your subs) :)?


/J

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
> 
> 
> I had pretty decent luck torqueing the keel bolts today.  A few of the studs 
> were damaged/corroded on the threads extending past the nut but not on the 
> threads protected by the nut when fully tightened.  I lubed the rough threads 
> with extra thick tef-gel and things seemed to go together smooth enough.  The 
> 3:1 multiplier was effective but I think a 4:1 or 5:1 would have made the job 
> a little easier.  I was definitely glad I brought a 3 foot pipe to help 
> stabilize the reaction bar.  It was extremely helpful to have a second person 
> present to monitor and stabilize the whole apparatus.  I stand by my 
> statement from last night that keeping the operating wrench as close to the 
> multiplier as possible minimizes the creation of odd twisting motions.  My 
> concerns of using an output drive extension were unfounded and I would 
> encourage anyone who is hesitating, to use one.
> 
> We were out of the water and set on a block around 9:30am and done with the 
> torque by 12:30.  This included removing each nut, cleaning the nut and stud, 
> and then reinstalling each one at a time.  Overall a very smooth process but 
> the preparation was a very important part.
> 
> I used the torque values from the link below as a guide.  316 SS lubricated. 
> 
> https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Torque%20of%20Stainless%20Steel,%20Non%20ferrous%20Torque.pdf
> 
> Keel bolts (fwd to aft):
>  Nut   stud   torque3:1 
> multiplier
> 1 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  255 =  85 x 3
> 2 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
> 3 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
> 4 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
> 5 - 1 7/8 (47.5mm)1 1/4 (32mm)   465 =  155 x 3
> 6 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  615 =  205 x 3
> 7 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  255 =  85 x 3
> 8 - 3/4 (19.5mm)1/2 (13mm)  38
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 2, 2018 3:18 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> Ok Guys,
> Since I have the mast out, this provides the rare opportunity to access ALL 
> of the keel bolts.  I've measured each of the bolt and nut diameters and 
> checked the archives for torque specs.  I intend to buy a toque multiplier 
> and the appropriate sized sockets.  I think I can do it for less than the 
> yard is going to charge and I'll come out of it with some tools.  I'll also 
> be able to tell myself that it was done correctly.
> 
> That being said it sounds like the best practices are are follows:
> -  be on the hard
> - loosen the bolts one at a time, clean, and lubricate with tef-gel
> - reinstall and torque at progressively higher levels.
> 
> I was unable to find the torque spec for my 1.5" bolt in the website but Ken 
> Heaton cited 600lbs in one of his past responses.
> 
> Keel bolts (fwd to aft):
>  Nut   stud   torque
> 1 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  350
> 2 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
> 3 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
> 4 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
> 5 - 1 7/8 (47.5mm)1 1/4 (32mm)   450
> 6 - 2 3/16 (56mm)  1 1/2 (38mm)  600?
> 7 - 1 1/2 (38mm)1 (25mm)  350
> 8 - 3/4 (19.5mm)1/2 (13mm)  80
> 
> 
> Anything I'm missing?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Holiday wishes

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Merry Christmas


/J

> On Dec 25, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Joe Della Barba  wrote:
> 
> Merry Christmas Everyone!
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C Photo Album owners database

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Nothing better than when the better half agrees to what you wish you were 
wishing you could have, and willingly agree it is “their” idea. It makes the 
sailing all that more pleasurable.

/J

> On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Randy Stafford  
> wrote:
> 
> Congratulations Mr. Burton on the Baltic 47 Momentum.  I also have one of 
> those (she-who-must-be-kept-pleased-at-all-times, not a Baltic 47).
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the 36 will be fine if you set it up right. On my 40 I have a Tides 
>> Strongtrack, which allows me to haul the main up almost all the way before I 
>> have to resort to a winch. I sail with a number three on the furler, which 
>> is easy to roll up without having to use a winch and easy to tack without 
>> disturbing she-who-must-not-be-disturbed. A good autopilot makes 
>> singlehanding much easier.
>> 
>> Andy
>> C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Mike Casey via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I am thinking of a 1978 C 36. Can anyone give me any intelligence on 
>>> these boats?
>>> 
>>> I currently have a C 30. I like how stiff it is. Would anyone know how 
>>> the C 36 would compare?
>>> 
>>> I'll be using it for coastal cruising in Nova Scotia.
>>> 
>>> Would it be too much to handle for an old guy (65 years of age).
>>> 
>>> Any comments would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Mike Casey
>>> Halifax, Nova Scotia
>>> 
 On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Thank you Stu, will remember that for later.
 Brad
 C 33 MKII
 Lake Huron
 
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 143, Issue 21

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Thanks a bunch Rick.


/J

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Re: Stus-List Engine idle speed

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi,

I’ve been scouring thru information looking for the correct idle speed for a 
1983 westerbeke W27. Does anyone know?


/J

> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Page 52 here:  
> https://www.westerbeke.com/technical%20manual/200554_m-25xpb_m35b_m40b_technical_man.pdf
> 
> Shows 800-1000 for the M-35 and M-40 (M series engines).  Suspect the M-30 is 
> the same.  
> 
> The 25XPB is 1000-1200.  Slightly different engine.
> 
> On a side note, I'm looking out at an inch or so of SNOW here in south 
> Louisiana this morning.  What the heck?  Very, very unusual.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 8:37 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I have a device for measuring the rpm at the engine so I plan to do that 
>>> when I adjust, but I can’t find anywhere in the service or owners manual 
>>> what the “correct” idle speed should be.  Dave
>>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am no Diesel Mechanic either, but it seems to me that the governor should 
>>> be doing all it can to maintain your speed at a minimum idle. I know that 
>>> mine (Kubota) will absolutely not go above 3,000, I seems that it would 
>>> also hold, or should hold, at a minimum. Maybe only newer engines do this, 
>>> I don’t know.
>>>  
>>> Bill Coleman
>>> C 39 Erie, PA
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Knecht via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 7:44 AM
>>> To: CnC CnC discussion list
>>> Cc: David Knecht
>>> Subject: Stus-List Engine idle speed
>>>  
>>> All this discussion of engine (Universal M4-30) starting has reminded me of 
>>> something I want to do in the spring, but am not sure how to approach.  My 
>>> engine runs fine at idle, which is around 1000rpm (don’t remember exactly 
>>> what gauge reads).  If I shift into reverse it almost always stalls.  If I 
>>> advance the throttle slightly, it does not stall.  This is obviously a real 
>>> problem when docking as I can’t count on slowing down when I need to 
>>> without restarting the engine.  So the question is: what is how to advance 
>>> the idle speed slightly?  I can imagine doing this at the Edson lever end 
>>> or the engine end and not sure which is the right or best way to do it.  
>>> Thanks- Dave
>>>  
>>> Aries
>>> 1990 C 34+
>>> New London, CT
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Lost at sea...um , yeah

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

One could imagine they did this whole thing for a book and movie deal.

/J

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 11:31 AM, JP Mail  wrote:
> 
> I also heard them say in an interview that they made it to an island but 
> couldn’t get into the harbor so they left. 
> Jp
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pass the oatmeal, please.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 9:14 AM
>> To: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
>> Cc: Danny Haughey
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Lost at sea...um , yeah
>> 
>> right, at first they would have died if they were at sea another 24
>> hours and now it's that they didn't use the epirb because their lives
>> were never in danger...
>> 
>> Danny
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/31/2017 8:11 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Today’s reveal was that the women had an EPIRB that they failed to use.
>>> One of the sailors Jennifer “Fer” Appel, had an earlier career as an 
>>> Amateur Motorcycle Roadracer.  In her search for sponsorship she routinely 
>>> embellished her accomplishments according to several of my friends who were 
>>> involved in the sport.
>>> Perhaps a vivid imagination can be fueled by 5 months at sea, but the more 
>>> I learn of their “ordeal”, the more skeptical I become.
>>> And to top it off, she’s claiming the rescue ship caused irreparable damage 
>>> to her vessel by attempting to tow it.  She is actually blaming their 
>>> rescuers!
>>> Amazing!
>>> Chuck Gilchrest
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
 4 knots in 30 days is 2880 nmiles.  Could reach civilization from most 
 places in the Pacific
 
 Reliance on electronics only will leave you in deep
 
 Leslie
 
 
 On Fri, 10/27/17, David Knecht via CnC-List  wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List News story
 To: "CnC CnC discussion list" 
 Cc: "David Knecht" 
 Date: Friday, October 27, 2017, 2:32 PM
 
 Yes, but the
 report in the UK Mail says that they had a mast problem, and
 could sail at 4-5 knots. I don’t see why that is a
 problem.  The real question is now they got “lost”.
 Did they have no navigational capability?  No solar or
 wind power?  Also, they lost their cell phone overboard the
 first day.  What use is a cell phone in the Pacific Ocean?
 Lots more to hear on this one.  Dave
 
 Aries1990
 C 34+New
 London, CT
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2017, at 6:51 AM, Danny
 Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 According to the
 morning news, part of their rigging broke and they oatmeal,
 pasta and rice.
 Danny
 
 
 Sent from my T-Mobile
 4G LTE Device
  Original message
 From: Brad Crawford
 via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/26/17  10:05 PM
 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Brad Crawford 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List News
 story
 What happened to
 sailing?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Oct 26, 2017, at 4:01 PM, John
 Pennie via CnC-List 
 wrote:
> Ok, wtf? Story on
 news tonight about a sailboat that was stranded in the
 Pacific for 5months after their engine broke down on an
 otherwise functional boat.  Apparently the crew survived as
 they had a water maker and a year’s supply of oatmeal.
 Something not add up here?  And who really has a 1 year
 supply of oatmeal for two people and a dog?
> Gotta be more coming on this
 one...
> John
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Lisle,

For what it’s worth... My kids are the same age as yours (girl, boy), and we 
got our boat this summer, so they are completely new to sailing. I can tell you 
from heavy parent observation this summer, they don’t run around under sail. If 
they are hanging out below they’re stationary watching iPad or playing some 
kind of game “using” the table. Mostly they want to go on deck even if under 
sail. 

When we’re at the dock, they want to go on the hard to explore, so we bring the 
bikes, or they’re in the cockpit, or they’re napping down below.

One note of caution... mine  seem to bicker over who “owns” the vberth. They 
call it the fort.

Next year they learn to sail and build memories.

/J

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
> narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
> point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
> on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
> and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more 
> open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.
> 
> 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Re George Cuthbertson

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

That’s a great idea!


/J

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Joe Della Barba  wrote:
> 
> I was thinking everyone send in a photo of their boat and making a big 
> composite framed or gallery wrap photo.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
> G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 8:44 AM
> To: ahycrace--- via CnC-List 
> Cc: Frederick G Street 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Re George Cuthbertson
>  
> Sign me up, too.
>  
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>  
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 7:38 AM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
> Joe and fellow C think that's an excellent idea: and I would be 
> wiling to contribute to a tribute/rememberance of some type; either to his 
> family or a public acknowledgment of his contributions to our sailing world; 
> I know that I have lived and enjoyed the legacy of his designs for over 30 
> years; I don't know anything about his family or what would be appropriate 
> but open to ideas: perhaps a plaque at his yacht club mentioned in the 
> article?
>  
>  
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4;
> 
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Joe Della Barba 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 6, 2017 7:37 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Re George Cuthbertson
> 
> Any ideas for anything we could send?
> J
>  
> On 10/06/2017 07:28 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:
> http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/10/05/eight-bells-george-cuthbertson/
>  
>  
>  
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 6:39 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>  
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 01:33:00 + (UTC)
> From: Don Harben 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Re George Cuthbertson.
> Message-ID: <778445485.2331028.1507253580...@mail.yahoo.com>
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