What about taking the boat out for "spin"?
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 600;
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From: Dan via CnC-List
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I still find it a little unnerving to swap the paddle wheel out with a plug—you
and your cabin sole will definitely get wet no matter how practiced you are.
OTOH, neither you nor the sole will melt or wash away and the brief gusher
gives you an idea of why a holed bottom will overcome ANY bulge
If you haven’t pulled one before, you may be startled by how fast water rushes
in. Remain calm, and have your blank handy.
From: Gary Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List padwheel issues
Dan, there
Dan:
The first time I pulled the transducer/padwheel, it was a unnervingI
hadn't even removed one while on the hard let alone in 36' of water.
Have your factory 'blank' in one hand (and I even now carry a wooden
plug just in case), pull up, a gush of water, insert the blank/plug
Dan, there are a lot of us who regularly pull our speed transducers. You may
get a pint of water inside (mine is under the dinette and drains into the
bilge). Fear not. Get someone to spin the wheel and see if it works.
Gary
30-1
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Hi Don,
I have a 3 blade Campbell Sailor that replaced a Martec folding 2 blade
shortly after I got the boat. The Martec was not always opening properly
and was causing some issues.
The Campbell Sailor pushes my boat fine to hull speed for long distances.
I really don’t know how to judge or
Dan,
If you have the correct plug to replace the sensor it isnt risky at all.
Done it many times on every boat I have owned. Just do.it.
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
Bill Walker
On Thursday, October 11, 2018 Dan via CnC-List wrote:
I had a tech support ticket open with Actisense
If I went through the pain of replacing the prop. I would go for one of the
folding or feathering props. At least you would be putting the money on a major
improvement.
Having said that, I am still on a 2-blade Michigan Sailer.
Marek
From: DON JONSSON via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 11,
Thanks Fred, that's very interesting... I had success with the temperature
so far. If I connect the yellow with red stripe wire, to temp, and white
wire to temp ground I get an accurate temperature reading so I know that
part is currently working... I'm assuming that also closes the circuit.
I
I find that a towel about 2 feet square is very helpful for pulling the
speed wheel. I stage the plug near the wheel and then place the towel over
top with the edges all tucked into the sump. I work on the cabin side or
"top" of the towel, the wheel and plug being underneath. I grab the wheel
Same here, I pull the paddle wheel every time I leave the boat to
prevent growth on it. Water going's to spray in, but it's no big deal.
Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY
On 10/11/2018 11:43 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List wrote:
Dan, there are a lot of us who regularly pull our
My Airmar transducer would not show speed.
We discovered the water temp circuit was open. The speed will not work if
the thermistor is not functional. I did not need the temp info, so we put
in a 15 ohm
resistor to replace the open circuit. That was over 5 years ago and it
worked like a charm.
I have a Campbell Sailer on my 30-1. Very happy with it. Nice people to deal
with it too.
Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie
79 30-1
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 10:35 AM, DON JONSSON via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Thinking about putting a Campbell Sailor 3 bladed prop on our boat. Has
> anybody
>
> Hi Doug, I'm just finishing my second season with my 30-2 and absolutely
> love it! Although I don't race mine it would make an excellent race boat
> and could be sailed to her rating fairly easily. I do my racing on a
> friend's J35, so I don't need to spend the extra for the fancy sails for
Dan
Had first time worried back in the 1970’s. Pull the transducer with one hand
and inset the plug with the other. Good luck
Ed Levert
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> On Oct 11, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I had a tech support ticket open with Actisense (the Digital NMEA product
Just move quickly on the replacement plug. Very simple.
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On Oct 11, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Dan via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had a tech support ticket open with Actisense (the Digital NMEA product I'm
using to read my data streams from my transducers) and
I do know what you mean about keeping it small.We had a SJ 24, a great boat,
nimble and quick for its size, like a Porsche. A little squirrely (sp?) with
quartering wind and a chute up, but a blast to sail. We could beat the snot
out of Erickson 25s and most other 25 & 26 footers boat for
Hi Doug, I had Septima for 24 years. She has a winged keel. Sails really
fast and high if you limit heel to 17-18 degrees and no more than 4 degrees
rudder. I marked the leather wheel cover to indicate 4 degrees port or
starboard. Helms person puts approprite mark TDC, tells main trimmer, who
Thanks so much Ron!!Cheers
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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 4:43 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
wrote:
I do know what you mean about keeping it small.We had a SJ 24, a great boat,
nimble and quick for its size, like a Porsche. A little squirrely (sp?)
On a regular basis we floss the hull with a long thin line and get the paddle
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It really isn't a big deal to pull a transducer and replace it with a
plug. I just pull the transducer until it's nearly out, have the plug in
the other hand and make the swap fairly quickly. If you do it quickly,
you'll get less than a pint of water in the boat. Probably done it
hundreds of
Well done. Glad it worked out.
From: Daniel Cormier via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List padwheel issues
I swapped it out for the plug tonight and it worked. I got about 4 or 5 cups of
water out but nothing
Dan:
One thing with my 2 plugs, both the transducer and the blank, they fit
down into the thru hull in an exact position.yours may be
differentbut on mine, on both plugs, there are two points that have
to be lined up to drop into their respective slots on the thru
hullone obvious
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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 6:02 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List
wrote:
Having moved up from a 27 MKIII to a 37/40+, I can certainly say that while the
new bigger boat can easily be single handed once under way, and I would be
comfortable taking her
I swapped it out for the plug tonight and it worked. I got about 4 or 5 cups of
water out but nothing severe. The wheel was full of baby muscles. I cleaned it
out, gave it a spin and got all my data! Working and AOK! :) thanks everyone
for the feedback and tips!
Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS
Having moved up from a 27 MKIII to a 37/40+, I can certainly say that while the
new bigger boat can easily be single handed once under way, and I would be
comfortable taking her to a mooring alone, I'm not ready to go into a tight
slip without another hand. Does that keep me from getting out?
I have pulled many times on other boat so no problem to go for it but cant
seem to loosen mine now on Halcyon ☹ like most thru hulls and valves they were
used little to 0 in the last few years and fearful if something was to break I
may not get thigs back together. I need to wait til next
It’s such a difficult choice. This is great information Ron. I appreciate it
Chris
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On Wednesday, October 10, 2018, 9:58 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
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We had both on Carlyle. As I recall the 26 was a more tender boat, and with
the larger beam
The 27 looks like she’s hit some rocks as the leading edge of the keel is welll
beaten.keel bolts looked fine and the hull to keel joint looked okay as wel (
no smikebor separation). The deck coring will need to be replaced from the bow
tip back about 2-2.5” as the last two stanchions in the
I had a 1977 C 27 MK III for 15 years on Lake Michigan. The nice thing about
the MK III was that it had a taller rig than the one you'relooking at, which
made her a great light air performer, generally hitting hull speed of 6.4 in
about 9 kts pf wind, and which would commonly sustain 7
Thanks Bruce!
I’m going to be single handing 90% of the time, and storage, mooring costs,
sail replacement, etc...is another reason why I’m trying to keep the length
down.
I do understand the 30’ is a superior boat on many levels. I think I’m
committed to a smaller size though I may be
Chris — I’ll chime in in favor of the 30mkI, having owned a 1981 for several
years before we moved up to our Landfall 38. The 30 was my first boat, and I
was worried about single-handing her; when I first came aboard, it seemed
enormous! But learning on that boat was a joy; it really took
Thank you Fred.
The 30’s in my area are far too rich for my blood but I’ll keep my eyes open.
I’m not pulling the trigger on either boat until the spring. Maybe something
comes available between now and then.
Chris
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On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 8:18 AM,
Hi Doug
US Sailing shows Chesapeake reporting C 30-2 at 150 and C 30-2 WK at 162.
That is from the 2016 book. It also shows C 30-1 SD at 180
Mike
Persistence
Halifax
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Agreed with Bruce - none of the boats in this range are too big to be easily
handled with a small crew. IMO you are unlikely to wish you’d bought a 27
after having bought a 30.
You described the condition of the 27 in some detail and it clearly needs a lot
of work. There are tons of tired
Hi Chris
You mention costs. A friend once told me that 30 feet seems to be the size
above which the costs of all gear/maintenance etc becomes much more costly and
less than 30 where it is much less costly. He worded it better than that.
Basic concept was that gear, sails, etc under 30 feet
Whether its a 30 or 27 or 26. Have patience with looking. Someone in the
next town gave away a decent 30' to a deserving family who would use and love
the boat as it was by its original owner. Its not always the money.
With that in mind look for the best whatever footage (me? go for the
The 30' C is a beautiful boat by the way! I understand the push to consider
it. :)C
On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 8:22:31 AM EDT, Chris Graham via CnC-List
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Thank you Fred.
The 30’s in my area are far too rich for my blood but I’ll keep my eyes open.
I’m not pulling the
I second David's comments; when I bought my first C, (1982 25 II); it never
dawned on me that I would be trading up; however, there is a growth curve that
happens once you get on the boat and learn how it functions and how to use the
boat; After having the boat for several years, I was on a
I really do appreciate the feedback and encouragement. I watched my
father-in-law sell his beloved 27' to move up to a 34' to appease his wife who
complained that she was "hot and bobbing"...I heard the same complaints on the
the 34'er and again on their 37'. I remember him lamenting the day
Storage and mooring costs are usually linear, so the difference between a 27
and 30 ft. is marginal. The upkeep costs (new anything, maintenance etc.) in my
view go with the square of the length (or faster). The same applies to
maintenance labour.
However (and I would be a bit contrarian
But boy you guys are good!!! Lol
And I do appreciate the suggestions and comments. I tend to overthink and over
reaserch sometimes but have always found it helpful to get multiple view
points... particularly from the source. It’s great to have such an active,
knowledgeable, and supportive
Most 30-1’s are ‘regular’ draft and 174 across the country. Happy with my first
‘big’ boat for 24 years now, and lots of hardware. Easy to cruise with two.
Gary
30-1 #593
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IMHO in this depressed market for boats, I would get a 30 if there is any
chance that would be the boat you would end up with anyway.
Size vs. use is different for different people. I cannot see how I would use my
boat more if she was 5 or 10 feet shorter or use her less if she was 5 or 10
feet
Hi
Thinking about putting a Campbell Sailor 3 bladed prop on our boat. Has
anybody got any experience with it?
Thanks
Don
Andante,
Victoria
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Hi Don
In Nova Scotia there were a number of boats that went to the Campbell Sailor
three blade. The rationale was that it received PHRF credits for three blade
but had a drag similar to two blade. The PHRF adjustments later changed such
that a 2 blade and a 3 blade fixed prop had the same
As the owner of a 26’, I have to agree with everyone on all points. Granted,
this is my first boat with no prior sailing experience on my part. I cannot
speak with experience concerning the advantages of one size over another.
I CAN say that I would not care to spend a weekend sailing with more
We are talking 4’ here :)
I’d need a 36-38’ boat if I’m really looking for space and privacy :)
I’m an ice climber and mountaineer. I’ve spent two weeks in a tent pinned down
in snow and wind. To me, a 10’ x 18’ space is palatial lol.
I spend a majority of my time under the sun and in the wind
At bottom, it depends how you intend to use the boat. I started with a Ranger
26, which was a fun boat but was too small for me. I moved up to a C 34,
which was good for my growing family and still manageable for me and my wife.
However, she enjoys taking friends out sailing on summer
I had a tech support ticket open with Actisense (the Digital NMEA product
I'm using to read my data streams from my transducers) and they confirmed
that if the padwheel is not spinning, NO data will be formed and no NMEA
sentenses will be transmitted. SO - YES, the padwheel HAS to spin, and it's
BINGO Matt!!!
Serves your needs for you and your growing family. My son is 25 and out on his
own. I have my daughters every other weekend and a few week days. I guide rock
throughout the summer and am not able to dedicate large chunks of time to
sailing. She'd be an hour and a half away so I
Four feet on a boat is a bigger deal than you may think. My 34 weighed about
10,000 pounds; my 42 weighs about 20,000 pounds. Only eight feet longer
(approximately 20%), but twice as much boat.
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