Re: Stus-List Looking for sails
I have a 140 Tape Drive Genoa on my 1990 30+ back in the 90s. Replaced a Dacron North 130 that came with the boat. Weighed about half the 130 so less weight aloft. Had virtually no stretch as the wind pick up so we carried here in winds up to 25 true unfurled. A great sail. Still on the boat. Allen Miles CC 30-2 Septima Hampton, VA -- From: Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Looking for sails Fellow CC'rs, I am in the market for a new suit of sails for my 1990 34+. I like what I have read about UK Tape Drive sails and was wondering if anyone has owned this brand and could give feedback? Also I would consider a used set of racing sails if anyone has a set for this particular model. Stephen Thorne CC 34+ Deja Vu On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. remove head sink on c n c 32? (McElwreath, Daniel) 2. tight reaching (Pete Shelquist) 3. Re: tight reaching (Josh Muckley) 4. Re: tight reaching (Chuck S) 5. Re: tight reaching (cenel...@aol.com) 6. Re: tight reaching (Andrew Burton) 7. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (Richard N. Bush) 8. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (davidrisch75) 9. Re: tight reaching (Dennis C.) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:23:43 + From: McElwreath, Daniel mcelwrea...@wpunj.edu To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32? Message-ID: 74ac7c951a8a93469c6e9f035d118c56223e6...@exchmbx1.unv.campus.wpunj.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the waste hose and ran thru the vanity in head. This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain pump so I had to remove that. My question: Can the head sink be removed to allow access? Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR. I have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a pain. I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the little door, and then reglassing when finished. But I know what that would look like. Thanks for any advice. Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/fd11f65a/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:01:51 -0500 From: Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: 002201cfa9bc$779960c0$66cc2240$@shelqu...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of boats (CC39, CC38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am looking for suggestions. We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. Thanks, Pete 1984 CC 37 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/ffcfba52/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:44:34 -0400 From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: CA+zaCRBNo1O5vTdN=fcyljdw-ahpkam9gyu_rjsrbm0-jhm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 How much backstay? How much babystay? How tight was the outhaul and halyards? Speed bubble in the main? How much heel? How much rudder? How much weight on board? Crew hiking out? When was the bottom last cleaned? What type of paint? You might need to come off the wind just a few degrees and/or let the sails breath just a bit. At 10-15 kts you should have been able to reach hull speed...~6-7kts. If not then something was wrong. You might even want to consider a #2 if you were being blown over too much. As you can see there is just no simple answer. Keep racing
Re: Stus-List Looking for sails
Steve I have a tape drive main and am very happy with it. It is a racing sail. I am unsure of the age. I did have a small tear repaired and new webbing put on the corners after the Bermuda race. The local UK loft has undergone a bunch of management changes. I don't knoww where the sails are made. Joel Annapolis ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for sails
A fellow at my club has them on his Tartan 37. He swears by them and does very well on the course. They’ve been around for a while like North’s 3DL so they pretty much have the bugs out. John On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Fellow CC'rs, I am in the market for a new suit of sails for my 1990 34+. I like what I have read about UK Tape Drive sails and was wondering if anyone has owned this brand and could give feedback? Also I would consider a used set of racing sails if anyone has a set for this particular model. Stephen Thorne CC 34+ Deja Vu On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. remove head sink on c n c 32? (McElwreath, Daniel) 2. tight reaching (Pete Shelquist) 3. Re: tight reaching (Josh Muckley) 4. Re: tight reaching (Chuck S) 5. Re: tight reaching (cenel...@aol.com) 6. Re: tight reaching (Andrew Burton) 7. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (Richard N. Bush) 8. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (davidrisch75) 9. Re: tight reaching (Dennis C.) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:23:43 + From: McElwreath, Daniel mcelwrea...@wpunj.edu To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32? Message-ID: 74ac7c951a8a93469c6e9f035d118c56223e6...@exchmbx1.unv.campus.wpunj.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the waste hose and ran thru the vanity in head. This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain pump so I had to remove that. My question: Can the head sink be removed to allow access? Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR. I have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a pain. I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the little door, and then reglassing when finished. But I know what that would look like. Thanks for any advice. Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/fd11f65a/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:01:51 -0500 From: Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: 002201cfa9bc$779960c0$66cc2240$@shelqu...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of boats (CC39, CC38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am looking for suggestions. We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. Thanks, Pete 1984 CC 37 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/ffcfba52/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:44:34 -0400 From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: CA+zaCRBNo1O5vTdN=fcyljdw-ahpkam9gyu_rjsrbm0-jhm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 How much backstay? How much babystay? How tight was the outhaul and halyards? Speed bubble in the main? How much heel? How much rudder? How much weight on board? Crew hiking out? When was the bottom last cleaned? What type of paint? You might need to come off the wind just a few degrees and/or let the sails breath just a bit. At 10-15 kts you should have been able to reach hull speed...~6-7kts. If not then something was wrong. You might even want to consider a #2 if you were being blown over too much. As you can see there is just no simple answer. Keep racing and you'll learn all of those minute characteristics. Happy to discuss off list. Josh Muckley S/V
Re: Stus-List Looking for sails
Steve, I have UK sails on my 1991 34+. The main is dacron and the genoa is a 135 Tape Drive, both built by Scott Allen when he had the UK loft in Annapolis. Both sails have been great — the genoa in particular has been a fast sail and has retained its shape very well for over 7 years, although I’m not a racer. As Joel said, the management has changed and Scott is now with North, so I don’t know the status at UK, but I have been very pleased with their product. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Fellow CC'rs, I am in the market for a new suit of sails for my 1990 34+. I like what I have read about UK Tape Drive sails and was wondering if anyone has owned this brand and could give feedback? Also I would consider a used set of racing sails if anyone has a set for this particular model. Stephen Thorne CC 34+ Deja Vu On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. remove head sink on c n c 32? (McElwreath, Daniel) 2. tight reaching (Pete Shelquist) 3. Re: tight reaching (Josh Muckley) 4. Re: tight reaching (Chuck S) 5. Re: tight reaching (cenel...@aol.com) 6. Re: tight reaching (Andrew Burton) 7. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (Richard N. Bush) 8. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (davidrisch75) 9. Re: tight reaching (Dennis C.) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:23:43 + From: McElwreath, Daniel mcelwrea...@wpunj.edu To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32? Message-ID: 74ac7c951a8a93469c6e9f035d118c56223e6...@exchmbx1.unv.campus.wpunj.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the waste hose and ran thru the vanity in head. This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain pump so I had to remove that. My question: Can the head sink be removed to allow access? Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR. I have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a pain. I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the little door, and then reglassing when finished. But I know what that would look like. Thanks for any advice. Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/fd11f65a/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:01:51 -0500 From: Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: 002201cfa9bc$779960c0$66cc2240$@shelqu...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of boats (CC39, CC38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am looking for suggestions. We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. Thanks, Pete 1984 CC 37 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/ffcfba52/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:44:34 -0400 From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching Message-ID: CA+zaCRBNo1O5vTdN=fcyljdw-ahpkam9gyu_rjsrbm0-jhm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 How much backstay? How much babystay? How tight was the outhaul and halyards? Speed bubble in the main? How much heel? How much rudder? How much weight on board? Crew hiking out? When was the bottom last cleaned? What type of paint? You might need to come off the wind just a few degrees and/or let the sails breath just a bit. At 10-15 kts you should have been
