On rereading the rant, I disagree with one point:
The ranter attempts to score a point by noting that the EchoCharge never stops
providing charge current to the auxiliary battery. That voltage is about 13.0
volts, a perfectly sustainable long-term charge voltage and a very useful one
as it
I was too busy with a CRYC board meeting to get a wiring diagram done, so here
is the Blue Sea version.
http://content.www.bluesea.com.s3.amazonaws.com/images/reference/battery_management_wiring_schematics/2batt_1eng.png
This is basically what I have.
Blue Sea makes a number of battery management
And if anyone’s interested, I’ve got a spare Blue Sea 8280 panel I’d sell you
for a very reasonable price.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On May 6, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
…and that price is….?
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
On May 6, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Two choices:
1. Buy a cheap small charger for the house battery.
2. Sacrifice the long term well-being of the cheap wet-cell starting
battery and set your charging parameters for the expensive AGM house bank. AGM
voltages are close enough that the start battery lifespan will likely
Use an echo charger to charge the starting battery, and the Xantrex for the
house bank.
http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/power-accessories/auxiliary-battery-charger.aspx
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Sent: May 5, 2014 9:48 AM
To:
Charlie,
You would need both a smart charger and a smart regulator. Stick to one
kind. You can buy a lot of batteries for the price of all that!
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM, via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery
The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of view
is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but start the
engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in parallel. Ideally
the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the
I would just charge the wet cell as an AGM - very similar parameters anyway.
It won’t live as long but it’s not exactly the biggest investment you’ll ever
make.
On the AGM, look for one labeled “dual purpose”. These are designed for the
life and cycles of a deep discharge but offer near the
Also: the AC charger, and any other charging devices such as wind or solar,
are connected to the house bank in the same manner as the alternator, and will
charge all batteries as needed.
Rich
On May 5, 2014, at 11:38, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
The best
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar —
a 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way
the alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing
Rich
Please e mail schematic. Thanks
Frank
LF 38 Annapolis
Sent from my iPhone
On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of
view is to have a dedicated starting battery that
Richwrote:
I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a
Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged.
That's how I wired mine. It works fine with both the alternator and
battery charger.
Wal
--
s/v Stella Blue
www.wbryant.com
.
Bruno Lachance
Becassine
33 mk II 87
Qc.
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:17:01 +
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Richwrote:
I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device
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Richwrote:
I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such
as a Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery
charged.
That's how I wired mine. It works fine with both
: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a 27
starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a 27
starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way the
alternator
Here's the manual.
http://www.xantrex.com/documents/Accessories/Auxiliary-Battery-Charger/Echo-charge-OwnerGuide(445-0204-01-01).pdf
if that's too long for your email
http://tinyurl.com/pmbtquj
Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I
connect it?
1:10 PM
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Marek,
Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I connect it?
The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked up
parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out
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Dziedzic via CnC-List
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To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Edd,
I don't want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this
would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has
: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a 27
starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1
) be with you” apply, even if it is a
day late? I know it is mixing the references...
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something
05, 2014 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a
27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do
/mainecruising/).
Marek (in Ottawa)
PS. Would “may the Force (May the 4th) be with you” apply, even if it is a
day late? I know it is mixing the references...
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a
27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way
. Would “may the Force (May the 4th) be with you” apply, even if it is a
day late? I know it is mixing the references...
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around
Edd,
I just added an automatic charging relay (available in this kit
http://www.bluesea.com/products/7650/Add-A-Battery_Kit_-_120A) to replace
the two separate banks that I had previously (2 x 27 deep cycle / 1 x 24).
This is similar to the echo charge. Rewiring wasn't too complicated as
the
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a
27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL
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Rich,
I think I get it now. If I have my starter
10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — a
27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar —
a 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as
battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way
, 2014 2:02 PM
To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries
Edd,
I don’t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this
would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major
disadvantages. One is that you might
that a few of our (CC List’s) electrical experts would have to
say a word or two on the subject.
Marek (in Ottawa).
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:10 PM
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Marek,
Very interesting. What
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all
batteries get due attention
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Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all
batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've
converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start
Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was
intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like to
avoid electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit
VBG so he probably has a point.
You wrote:
The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is
His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on how
to build a house.
Rich
On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively
obvious, but then again most
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