Re: [cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing
I can't see an issue in my copy. Would anyone be willing to pick out a few species we should compare with the 1st edition to see if we have a bad copy? Thanks Rick Taylor Colorado Springs El Paso County On Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:13:59 PM UTC-6, Peter Burke wrote: All: I too received a Dark Morph Sibley whether part of a bad batch, or the whole first print I don't know. -pb Peter Burke Editor, *Colorado Birds* *Colorado Field Ornithologists* 935 11th St. Boulder, CO 80302 (973) 214-0140 CFO http://www.cfobirds.org/ Flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/pgburke/ LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/pub/peter-burke/5/788/a62 On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM, The Nunn Guy lef...@yahoo.comjavascript: wrote: Maybe it's a lot or batch and not the entire first publication? Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn http://coloradobirder.ning.com/ Mobile: http://coloradobirder.ning.com/m On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:01:29 PM UTC-6, Charles Hundertmark wrote: I am a huge fan of *The Sibley Guide to Birds*. I bought an extra-large fanny pack just so I could carry it on field trips. It simply illustrates more plumages of North American birds than any other field guide. I frequently find on field trips that I can illustrate this to participants when they can’t find a bird we’re looking at in another field guide. We can find it, however, in the Sibley guide. You can imagine then that, like many other birders, I have been waiting with excitement for the second edition of the guide. That edition was released on March 11, and I received my preordered copy over the weekend. On Tuesday night I looked through it closely and was disappointed to find that it suffered from what in bird plumage would be called melanism. Many of the illustrations are simply too dark. This, I believe, is a printing problem and not a problem with David Allen Sibley’s fine illustrations. If the printing problems are corrected for the next printing, this will be an outstanding field guide, with a significant number of species added as well as other improvements. Until the next printing, however, I would suggest holding off on purchasing this guide unless you want to invest in it as a curiosity like a coin minted with an error. As a field guide, however, the printing distortions render the first print less than useful. If you are unsure, you can check a copy at The Tatter Cover, Boulder Book Store, or your favorite local book seller. Brook MacDonald’s excellent review of the second edition can be found here http://naturetravelnetwork.com/book-review-sibley-guide- birds-second-edition/ and my review will be posted shortly on the DFO web site www.dfobirders.org. -- Chuck Hundertmark 2546 Lake Meadow Drive Lafayette, CO 80026 303-604-0531 Cell: 720-771-8659 chunde...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+u...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to cob...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/91b798ef-7079-4fb7-bad2-48936af6d709%40googlegroups.comhttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/91b798ef-7079-4fb7-bad2-48936af6d709%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/43cdf2b1-f7ea-42c5-b4a5-d8f83c4753cd%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing
Sharon Stiteler (Birdchick) posted some pictures comparing the colors to previous editions on her blog: http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2014/03/so-i-got-a-second-edition-sibley/ She notes that the Scarlet Tanager is much darker (and too dark) in this edition, and that reds oranges are in general a bit off. She uses Red-Shouldered Hawk as another example, where the bars look more brown than the orange she expected. Here's what David Sibley himself said in a comment on his website: David Sibley March 16, 2014 at 11:46 AM Yes, there are some problems with the colors in the second edition and those will be corrected in the next printing. See The Second edition is in-handhttp://www.sibleyguides.com/2014/01/the-second-edition-is-in-hand/at sibleyguides.com The printing issue apparently only affects a certain number of plates, or maybe it's just worse on some than others. Complaints I've seen have been about the reds being too dark and lack of detail on some images. The other major complaint is about the font being difficult to read, which is supposed to be corrected in the next printing as well. I haven't seen the book yet myself. I suggest you judge for yourself, but if Sibley is saying the colors are off on a few paintings, I'd believe him. Most of the paintings are supposed to be fine. He's going to be at the Tattered Cover on April 3 and the Boulder Bookstore on April 4, but I'm sure he's tired of answering questions about this. :-) -- - Barry Gingrich Broomfield County -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/a746329d-6049-4892-8b29-ff18190bc5fe%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing
Not much new to say, but I just need to vent. I bought the new Sibley at the Boulder Bookstore this afternoon. When I got home, I compared it to my old Sibley. The new book's bird colors are substantially darker, richer colored, on many plates. In my view, quite unacceptable. To make things worse, they must have used so much ink on the plates that they didn't have enough left over for the printed words (just kidding). The printed words are faintly inked compared to the old Sibley. I see the book was printed in China. Maybe if they'd printed it in the U.S. it might have been convenient to proof the book before countless unacceptable copies were printed. I returned my book to the Boulder Bookstore for credit this evening. I'm disappointed and inconvenienced. If I were David Sibley, I would be outraged. I have a ticket to his book signing in Boulder. I'll be interested to hear what he has to say about this. David Waltman Boulder - Original Message - From: Barry barrylgingr...@gmail.com To: cobirds@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:06:09 PM Subject: Re: [cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing Sharon Stiteler (Birdchick) posted some pictures comparing the colors to previous editions on her blog: http://www.birdchick.com/wp/2014/03/so-i-got-a-second-edition-sibley/ She notes that the Scarlet Tanager is much darker (and too dark) in this edition, and that reds oranges are in general a bit off. She uses Red-Shouldered Hawk as another example, where the bars look more brown than the orange she expected. Here's what David Sibley himself said in a comment on his website: David Sibley March 16, 2014 at 11:46 AM Yes, there are some problems with the colors in the second edition and those will be corrected in the next printing. See The Second edition is in-hand at sibleyguides.com The printing issue apparently only affects a certain number of plates, or maybe it's just worse on some than others. Complaints I've seen have been about the reds being too dark and lack of detail on some images. The other major complaint is about the font being difficult to read, which is supposed to be corrected in the next printing as well. I haven't seen the book yet myself. I suggest you judge for yourself, but if Sibley is saying the colors are off on a few paintings, I'd believe him. Most of the paintings are supposed to be fine. He's going to be at the Tattered Cover on April 3 and the Boulder Bookstore on April 4, but I'm sure he's tired of answering questions about this. :-) -- - Barry Gingrich Broomfield County -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/a746329d-6049-4892-8b29-ff18190bc5fe%40googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/1033414433.619780.1395457828771.JavaMail.root%40sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing
Maybe it's a lot or batch and not the entire first publication? Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn http://coloradobirder.ning.com/ Mobile: http://coloradobirder.ning.com/m On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:01:29 PM UTC-6, Charles Hundertmark wrote: I am a huge fan of *The Sibley Guide to Birds*. I bought an extra-large fanny pack just so I could carry it on field trips. It simply illustrates more plumages of North American birds than any other field guide. I frequently find on field trips that I can illustrate this to participants when they can’t find a bird we’re looking at in another field guide. We can find it, however, in the Sibley guide. You can imagine then that, like many other birders, I have been waiting with excitement for the second edition of the guide. That edition was released on March 11, and I received my preordered copy over the weekend. On Tuesday night I looked through it closely and was disappointed to find that it suffered from what in bird plumage would be called melanism. Many of the illustrations are simply too dark. This, I believe, is a printing problem and not a problem with David Allen Sibley’s fine illustrations. If the printing problems are corrected for the next printing, this will be an outstanding field guide, with a significant number of species added as well as other improvements. Until the next printing, however, I would suggest holding off on purchasing this guide unless you want to invest in it as a curiosity like a coin minted with an error. As a field guide, however, the printing distortions render the first print less than useful. If you are unsure, you can check a copy at The Tatter Cover, Boulder Book Store, or your favorite local book seller. Brook MacDonald’s excellent review of the second edition can be found here http://naturetravelnetwork.com/book-review-sibley-guide-birds-second-edition/and my review will be posted shortly on the DFO web site www.dfobirders.org. -- Chuck Hundertmark 2546 Lake Meadow Drive Lafayette, CO 80026 303-604-0531 Cell: 720-771-8659 chunde...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/91b798ef-7079-4fb7-bad2-48936af6d709%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing
Certainly possible that it's a batch problem. I actually received two copies, one complementary, the other preordered. Both had the printing problem. Others around the country have reported the problem also. On the other hand, Alex Brown reports he has a fine copy. Looking at it in a book store would appear to be the safe approach. Chuck On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM, The Nunn Guy lefk...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe it's a lot or batch and not the entire first publication? Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn http://coloradobirder.ning.com/ Mobile: http://coloradobirder.ning.com/m On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:01:29 PM UTC-6, Charles Hundertmark wrote: I am a huge fan of *The Sibley Guide to Birds*. I bought an extra-large fanny pack just so I could carry it on field trips. It simply illustrates more plumages of North American birds than any other field guide. I frequently find on field trips that I can illustrate this to participants when they can't find a bird we're looking at in another field guide. We can find it, however, in the Sibley guide. You can imagine then that, like many other birders, I have been waiting with excitement for the second edition of the guide. That edition was released on March 11, and I received my preordered copy over the weekend. On Tuesday night I looked through it closely and was disappointed to find that it suffered from what in bird plumage would be called melanism. Many of the illustrations are simply too dark. This, I believe, is a printing problem and not a problem with David Allen Sibley's fine illustrations. If the printing problems are corrected for the next printing, this will be an outstanding field guide, with a significant number of species added as well as other improvements. Until the next printing, however, I would suggest holding off on purchasing this guide unless you want to invest in it as a curiosity like a coin minted with an error. As a field guide, however, the printing distortions render the first print less than useful. If you are unsure, you can check a copy at The Tatter Cover, Boulder Book Store, or your favorite local book seller. Brook MacDonald's excellent review of the second edition can be found here http://naturetravelnetwork.com/book-review-sibley-guide- birds-second-edition/ and my review will be posted shortly on the DFO web site www.dfobirders.org. -- Chuck Hundertmark 2546 Lake Meadow Drive Lafayette, CO 80026 303-604-0531 Cell: 720-771-8659 chunde...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/91b798ef-7079-4fb7-bad2-48936af6d709%40googlegroups.comhttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/91b798ef-7079-4fb7-bad2-48936af6d709%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Chuck Hundertmark 2546 Lake Meadow Drive Lafayette, CO 80026 303-604-0531 Cell: 720-771-8659 chundertma...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CACZCCxeKH%3DJyaZeRbfk28Q-1UfEiu%3D%3DobRk8UX40x9e2mgGvmQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing
I've been perusing my new copy of Sibley's 2nd edition, and with each passing day I'm coming to enjoy it more and more. I bought my copy from the Boulder Bookstore where I checked as many of the copies there as I could for color rendition and the font/text clarity. All the copies there seemed to be of the same quality, which I felt was quite good overall. When I got home I compared the new edition with my old beat-up, worn-down edition from 2001. I certainly haven't done an entirely exhaustive comparision, but I tried to compare key species that I'd seen mentioned in other reviews. I agree that some (but definitely not all) of the reds and browns that are depicted are quite rich. Specifically, I compared the depiction of Scarlet Tanager, the coloration of bills in breeding plumage for Royal and Caspian Terns, and a number of the buteos. For all these, again I agree that they seem a bit rich, erring on the side of over-coloration. However, birds like Hepatic and Summer Tanager, the rails, the buntings, and the dubious Brown Thrasher from the first edition all look quite good in the new book, to my eyes anyway. Yesterday, I had the book with me while I flipped through it in a city park on a gloriously bright afternoon. Interestingly, I thought those relatively dark illustrations looked pretty good then in bright sun, which made me think that maybe the key to coping with the darker renditions is to make sure you have plenty of light available. :) In the end, I would agree with Chuck H. If you are someone who habitually buys books online, for this one you might forego that and visit your favorite local bookshop and check out the copies on hand in person. If you find it acceptable, buy it there so that you have a version that you are sure you'll be happy with. The local store owners will appreciate it anyway. And if nothing else, the updates to the presentation of the species, the selection of species, and the overall quality of information with them (identification, life history, behavior) are all just staggeringly good. Whatever complaints I have with the book are entirely overshadowed by everything else that is fabulous about it. Eric -- Eric DeFonso Boulder, CO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CAFjVA_bJRYPbkcN6FiF%2BUtpXDHt5yczwZh%3DPVH1e54obWt_RTQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [cobirds] Re: New Sibley Guide: Wait for the next printing
All: I too received a Dark Morph Sibley whether part of a bad batch, or the whole first print I don't know. -pb Peter Burke Editor, *Colorado Birds* *Colorado Field Ornithologists* 935 11th St. Boulder, CO 80302 (973) 214-0140 CFO http://www.cfobirds.org/ Flickrhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/pgburke/ LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/pub/peter-burke/5/788/a62 On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM, The Nunn Guy lefk...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe it's a lot or batch and not the entire first publication? Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn http://coloradobirder.ning.com/ Mobile: http://coloradobirder.ning.com/m On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:01:29 PM UTC-6, Charles Hundertmark wrote: I am a huge fan of *The Sibley Guide to Birds*. I bought an extra-large fanny pack just so I could carry it on field trips. It simply illustrates more plumages of North American birds than any other field guide. I frequently find on field trips that I can illustrate this to participants when they can't find a bird we're looking at in another field guide. We can find it, however, in the Sibley guide. You can imagine then that, like many other birders, I have been waiting with excitement for the second edition of the guide. That edition was released on March 11, and I received my preordered copy over the weekend. On Tuesday night I looked through it closely and was disappointed to find that it suffered from what in bird plumage would be called melanism. Many of the illustrations are simply too dark. This, I believe, is a printing problem and not a problem with David Allen Sibley's fine illustrations. If the printing problems are corrected for the next printing, this will be an outstanding field guide, with a significant number of species added as well as other improvements. Until the next printing, however, I would suggest holding off on purchasing this guide unless you want to invest in it as a curiosity like a coin minted with an error. As a field guide, however, the printing distortions render the first print less than useful. If you are unsure, you can check a copy at The Tatter Cover, Boulder Book Store, or your favorite local book seller. Brook MacDonald's excellent review of the second edition can be found here http://naturetravelnetwork.com/book-review-sibley-guide- birds-second-edition/ and my review will be posted shortly on the DFO web site www.dfobirders.org. -- Chuck Hundertmark 2546 Lake Meadow Drive Lafayette, CO 80026 303-604-0531 Cell: 720-771-8659 chunde...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/91b798ef-7079-4fb7-bad2-48936af6d709%40googlegroups.comhttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/91b798ef-7079-4fb7-bad2-48936af6d709%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=emailutm_source=footer . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Colorado Birds group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cobirds+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cobirds@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cobirds/CACjv0GZzNsOYLPrg-x8V%3Dsr3zhOpTNRPJOwPHVrLsgxEn6GiUQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
