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Subject: Re: [OT] Design Rant
Tom Klaasen (TeleRelay) wrote:
Time to show the world what Cocoon is really worth!
Please, Tom, a little todo list for you:
Try asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] about getting out of FreeBSD to run Java
decently.
Try asking them to install a servlet
Alistair Hopkins wrote:
snipHTML was always intended to render semantic information/snip
Yeah, until a guy named Marc Andreesen ruined the whole thing on a
weekend adding the the img tag (and leaving it open!) to Mosaic :)
I know it was always intended.
HTML was created to be more or less
Punky Tse wrote:
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From: Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] about getting out of FreeBSD to run Java
decently.
There is a way, but a hard way. I've a jdk-1.3.1p5 installed on FreeBSD
4.4-stable running under VMWare. But you
Tom Klaasen (TeleRelay) wrote:
Hey, I'm not going to fight The System, I'm just giving my opinion.
I know, sorry about it, I was just showing my frustration developped
over years of fighting the 'technological establishment' of the original
Apache Group (great people, but sometimes a little
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Hey, look: I repeat it: if it were for me, we'd have Cocoon serving
xml.apache.org since 1999 and we'd have a much more stable software
because we'd have to deal with our own scalability problems.
But there is good news: Covalent dedicated a machine for GUMP
Hi!
Instead of working round crappy browsers, shouldn't we
tell the user how crappy their browser is?
If your web page is standards-conformant but looks terrible
in old browser while others are looking good, then BOTH
your page and that browser are wrong.
That is more useful for you, to
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From: Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Design Rant
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Ugo Cei wrote:
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Incidentally
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From: David Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: [OT] Design Rant
John Morrison wrote:
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Ugo Cei wrote:
In other words, what I am proposing is that we
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it's pretty, but I did not see anything about the design I was talking
about??
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From: Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Design Rant
David Crossley wrote:
I was wondering this too - we need to use Cocoon's own
capabilities to solve these very real issues. There was a
thread on this, but it went quiet. The discussion came around
to why is Cocoon not generating the content on the
xml.apache.org/cocoon/ site.
[Vote] Improving
giacomo wrote:
Using a CSS-based layout also means that people using 4th generation
browsers (NS 4, IE 4, etc.) must be protected from such a stylesheet
or they will see utter garbage. Hiding the CSS from them means that they
won't be able to appreciate the layout, but will
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:14 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] Design Rant
As far as I understand, if you browse down trough it they describe
step by step the CSS principles to do what you asked.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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From: Robert Koberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Michael Hartle wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
I was wondering this too - we need to use Cocoon's own
capabilities to solve these very real issues. There was a
thread on this, but it went quiet. The discussion came around
to why is Cocoon not generating the content on the
Tom Klaasen (TeleRelay) wrote:
Time to show the world what Cocoon is really worth!
Please, Tom, a little todo list for you:
Try asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] about getting out of FreeBSD to run Java
decently.
Try asking them to install a servlet engine, a servlet that might need
several hundred
Alistair Hopkins wrote:
Pragmatism over purism, I say.
Amen.
Let me give you my personal impression:
1) CSS2 is not flexible enough to completely separate layout information
from the HTML flow. Even worse, since the spec allows 'compliant'
browsers to ignore the 'display' attribute, there is
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From: Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try asking [EMAIL PROTECTED] about getting out of FreeBSD to run Java
decently.
There is a way, but a hard way. I've a jdk-1.3.1p5 installed on FreeBSD
4.4-stable running under VMWare. But you have to compile it from
giacomo wrote:
I know :) but many sites only use *one* table to achieve the above which
(at least for older browsers) result in a need to have the hole page
downloaded prior to have it displayed in the browser. This above layout
can display the header as soon as it is available in the
Ugo Cei wrote:
Before you start mentioning Cocoon's ability to select a different
stylesheet based on the User-Agent request parameter, keep in mind that:
- we are talking about pregenerating a static version of the site
for performance reasons
Would it be possible to pregenerate two
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From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Design Rant
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Copied to general@ since this is a general discussion.
It's a strong
Copied to general@ since this is a general discussion.
Ugo Cei wrote:
giacomo wrote:
I know :) but many sites only use *one* table to achieve the above which
(at least for older browsers) result in a need to have the hole page
downloaded prior to have it displayed in the browser. This
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Copied to general@ since this is a general discussion.
It's a strong position but, hey, I find resonating with what you're
saying :)
We have the *luxury* to know what our user base is and estimate their
needs very precisely.
Moreover, this is a site dedicated
I really like this type of design and use it for my own stuff. The only
problem I have (might be ignorance?) is that you can't do a good four+
column layout. By that I mean the two outer columns are fixed-width and the
two+ inner columns are are variable based on window width.
Hopefully someone
on 12/19/01 6:19 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Copied to general@ since this is a general discussion.
Ugo Cei wrote:
giacomo wrote:
I know :) but many sites only use *one* table to achieve the above which
(at least for older browsers) result in a need to have the
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Copied to general@ since this is a general discussion.
Ugo Cei wrote:
giacomo wrote:
I know :) but many sites only use *one* table to achieve the above which
(at least for older browsers) result in a need to have the hole page
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Subject: Re: [OT] Design Rant
I really like this type of design and use it for my own stuff. The only
problem I have (might be ignorance?) is that you can't do a good four
it's pretty, but I did not see anything about the design I was talking
about??
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From: Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Design Rant
I really like this type of design and use it for my
snip/
In other words, what I am proposing is that we stop worrying about being
bacward compatible in order to accomodate old, buggy and non-compliant
user agents, but instead start to be FORWARD compatible in order to
accomodate FUTURE standard-compliant user agents.
Let me know
John Morrison wrote:
snip/
Ugo Cei wrote:
In other words, what I am proposing is that we stop worrying about being
bacward compatible in order to accomodate old, buggy and non-compliant
user agents, but instead start to be FORWARD compatible in order to
accomodate FUTURE
: Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Design Rant
I really like this type of design and use it for my own stuff. The only
problem I have (might be ignorance?) is that you can't do a good four+
column layout
Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Design Rant
I really like this type of design and use it for my own stuff. The only
problem I have (might be ignorance?) is that you can't do a good four+
column
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