Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-30 Thread Stephan Michels
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Christopher Oliver wrote, On 28/06/2003 19.19: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... I'm really confused about this SWT thing. On my computer Eclipse feels slower than JBuilder. And I still have to understand what makes SWT so compelling and

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-30 Thread Roger I Martin PhD
snip I have used Swing quite a lot, and as you know I even gave a shot at making a WYSIWYG editor for XML. I had to debug the Editor. Which xml namespaces were you trying to do this for? xhtml, svg, mathml? I've tried numerous times to extend the javax.swing.text.*.* packages and had

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-30 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Roger I Martin PhD wrote, On 30/06/2003 14.57: snip I have used Swing quite a lot, and as you know I even gave a shot at making a WYSIWYG editor for XML. I had to debug the Editor. Which xml namespaces were you trying to do this for? xhtml, svg, mathml? DocumentDTD, basically like xhtml I've

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/28/03 4:43 PM Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The fact is that SWT is crap. Total crap. Pff, SWT is a thin layer on top of the operating system, everything else is native, therefore optimized and normally hardware accelerated (today's GPUs are gigaflop machines with gigabyte/sec video mem2mem

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-29 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote, On 29/06/2003 19.09: on 6/28/03 4:43 PM Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The fact is that SWT is crap. Total crap. This is a bit too much taken out of context I reckon ;-) It was made to try and show that saying that something is crap or not, things don't go far. Pff, SWT is

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-28 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Christopher Oliver wrote, On 28/06/2003 19.19: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... I'm really confused about this SWT thing. On my computer Eclipse feels slower than JBuilder. And I still have to understand what makes SWT so compelling and AWT so dreaded. Check out JGoodies' fake eclipse LF using

Parrot [was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means]

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
copying the cocoon folks since we are getting pretty serious with continuations overthere (we implement them using a modified version of Mozilla Rhino, a javascript engine written in java) on 6/26/03 3:15 PM Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: [...] I still

Re: Parrot [was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means]

2003-06-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Question: do you think it would be possible to compile java source code into parrot bytecode? how would the limited Perl typing capabilities would impact that? http://www.astray.com/java/ -- !-- Matt -- :-get a SMart net/:- Spam trap - do not

Re: Parrot [was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means]

2003-06-27 Thread Santiago Gala
Stefano Mazzocchi escribió: (...) Wow, a VM with native continuations, very interesting. Question: do you think it would be possible to compile java source code into parrot bytecode? how would the limited Perl typing capabilities would impact that? The key piece is the validator. The Java VM uses

Re: Java Language Advocacy (was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-26 Thread Berin Loritsch
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: on 6/26/03 12:01 PM Christopher Oliver wrote: Another aspect not always noticed is the speed of the compiler. Because Java compilers don't perform any compile-time optimizations, they are significantly faster than C++ compilers. This is very important when dealing

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/24/03 6:55 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: Then perhaps my observation means absolutely nothing - and I should really try to get my mind around a fundamentally different development model (and some aspect you call WORA). Oh, sorry, WORA := Write Once Run Anywhere. It's java's first

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-24 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Ted Leung wrote: ..cut.. - Organisationally xml and java are still lagging behind; but have been catching up (though the catch up has slowed down somewhat due to a much larger influx from the old school side; and that influx is by average younger than

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Steven Noels
On 22/06/2003 3:43 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I personally believe in keeping the bar low for committership and keeping the bar high for membership. I believe that this helps us getting more people inside the foundation (potential members) but keeps the real powers of the foundation heavily

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Steven Noels wrote: Stefano's insightful post got me carried away to run some stats on members projects: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/001008.html I've always stopped short of doing just this; and more kept things limited to a pie diagram and postings/#of

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Ted Leung
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Steven Noels wrote: Stefano's insightful post got me carried away to run some stats on members projects: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/001008.html I've always stopped short of doing just this; and more kept things limited

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Steven Noels
On 23/06/2003 21:30 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Dirk is right pointing out how a specific frame in time tells you the 'position' but not the 'speed'. Luckily, social dynamics don't exhibit the Heinsenberg principle. To amuse the easily bored, here's 2002, 2001 and 2000:

Graphing (was: Re: How ASF membership works and what it means)

2003-06-23 Thread Per-Olof Norén
Steven Noels wrote: BTW: does anyone know some good Python charting library for this kind of charts? I've looked at PIL but it seems pretty low-level. Why not use python to generate xml files suitable for FINS, using cocoon to generate theese graphs? http://cocoondev.org/projects/fins.html

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-22 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: NOTE: copying members@ and community@ since this might be helpful to many people. WoW! - Excelent summary. Can we put this up somewhere on one of the foundation pages please, if need be as 'Stefano's excelent and balanced view' :-) Dw.

How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
NOTE: copying members@ and community@ since this might be helpful to many people. As many of you know, three cocoon committers were nominated then elected members of the Apache Software Foundation yesterday. Since I've been inquired by a few on how the system works, I'll spend some words on the