On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 15:18 Europe/London, Steven Noels wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Thanks everybody for their patience on this.
I think we all learned a great deal out of it.
+1
regards Jeremy
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Thanks everybody for their patience on this.
I think we all learned a great deal out of it.
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Luca Morandini wrote:
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From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks [was Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a
commiter!]
You had a wonderful chance to accept Nicola&#
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:04 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Personal Attacks [was Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a
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> > 4) Donate, to the prospective Cocoo
Luca Morandini wrote:
1) Bring the JFreeChartTransformer (aka ChartTransformer) under the
aegis of CocoonDev... (provided CocoonDev board accepts it, of
course)
Cool. Be sure to deal with the license stuff on beforehand.
2) Start collaborating with the Wings project on a common XML schema
for
> -Original Message-
> From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Personal Attacks [was Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a
> commiter!]
> You had a wonderful chance to acc
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 17:53, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> I've received private comments that suggested me to avoid doing those
> little asskicks of mine in public. Sometimes I do them privately,
> sometimes I do them publicly, mostly depends on who the person is.
People with a lot of community
Luca Morandini wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Nicola, you crossed the line.
Sorry :-/
Luca and all cocoon-dev, please accept my sincere apologies.
"The evil that men do lives after them; the good that men do is often interred with their bones."
--Shakespeare, Julius Caesar.
Which, in l
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Nicola, you crossed the line.
Sorry :-/
Luca and all cocoon-dev, please accept my sincere apologies.
Thank you, your prompt apologies are accepted and greatly appreciated.
I've received private comments that suggested me to avoid doing t
> -Original Message-
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Personal Attacks [was Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a
> commiter!]
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> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Nicola, you crossed the line.
Sorry :-/
Luca and all cocoon-dev, please accept my sincere apologies.
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:47:03AM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Yes, I'm pissed.
No-one's perfect. There's few better examples of
screw-up/apologise/move-on committers than Nicola.
--Jeff
(who frequently screws up)
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Torsten Curdt wrote:
I thought contributing to Cocoon to be easier... much easier :(
I have put much time and effort in trying to make a charting solution.
I think it's bad that he is not willing at all to collaborate. He says
he wants "his" code in cocoon.
Wings
Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
Rewriting the code to conform to a license is a poor choice IMO.
Agreed and respected.
Although, there is a real problem: the LGPL says that you are forced to
put changes back into the LGPL license only if you modify the library,
but not the code that links to it.
Now
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
I think it is time to start thinking in a plug-in technology for Cocoon.
Yes, it's time, but our avalon container is not good enough for that and
avalon-dev is currently a big community mess.
I'm concerned. I really am. I'm about to fork and write my own avalon
contai
Pier,
On Sunday, Jan 26, 2003, at 11:58 US/Pacific, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
If (for example) we, the ASF, decided to get the library and make some
modifications to it, or, scarier though, we _had_ to "fork" the
library for our own needs (imagine, the orignal author changes from
LGPL to somethin
Luca Morandini wrote:
I mean, Cocoon already has some components relying on non-ASL
> libraries (like the SAP ones or the JDBC drivers); had these
> libraries to change, ASF wouldn't be able to fork them, hence
> resorting to change the Cocoon components, which is what was
> to be avoided in the
Jeff Turner wrote:
Not at Apache, but is there anything stopping a few developers forking
the last LGPL'ed version on Sourceforge?
Nope, not AFAIK...
If so, then using LGPL code could be an acceptable risk. The
alternatives (rewrite, or convince the world to adopt BSD/ASL) aren't fun
at all.
> -Original Message-
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 8:58 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Why not LGPL? (Was: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a
> commiter!)
> S, I'd say, if you see the word GPL some
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 07:58:28PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >Steven Noels wrote:
> >>Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm not going to put another jar in our dependencies that is LGPL also.
> >>
> >>You are not _allowed_ to do so.
> >
> >Actually, we can. It dep
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I'm not going to put another jar in our dependencies that is LGPL also.
You are not _allowed_ to do so.
Actually, we can. It depends on whom you ask ;-)
Both wrong? :-) :-)
Ok, let me try to explain the rationale beh
Steven Noels wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
1) make mock classes for JFreeChart. I'm not going to put another jar
in our dependencies that is LGPL also.
You are not _allowed_ to do so.
Actually, we can. It depends on whom you ask ;-)
Nobody asked for it, too.
Somebody asked that it b
Torsten Curdt wrote:
I personally would really appreciate the offer - but dislike the
urge. ...that's a matter of attitude. Although I bet it has been
meant as offer.
It was Antonio who came up with the plea, and he already said it was
meant enticing or provocative, nothing more. Luca feels str
Steven Noels wrote:
(wrong quoting)
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I'm not going to put another jar in our dependencies that is LGPL
also.
You are not _allowed_ to do so. Nobody asked for it, too.
--
Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, J
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
1) make mock classes for JFreeChart. I'm not going to put another jar in
our dependencies that is LGPL also.
You are not _allowed_ to do so. Nobody asked for it, too.
--
Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java
> -Original Message-
> From: Torsten Curdt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 6:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
> I personally would really appreciate the offer - but dislike the urge.
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I have no idea how much you guys realy tried to work things out before
starting the new transformer - so I am out on this.
Do you really think there is no way merging the both - or do you think
it's not worth the effort? Have you had a look into the latest wings
stuff - not yet in CVS?
All I
> -Original Message-
> From: Torsten Curdt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
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> Although merging of both (if possible at all) would have been much
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
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> I will commit the patch myself given t
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> -Original Message-----
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:01 PM
> To:
I will commit the patch myself given the below points:
1) make mock classes for JFreeChart. I'm not going to put another jar in
our dependencies that is LGPL also.
2) rename the transformer to JFreeChartTransformer
3) make a block called jfreechart
4) add an enrty to Bugzilla with [PATCH] in
Torsten Curdt wrote:
I thought contributing to Cocoon to be easier... much easier :(
I have put much time and effort in trying to make a charting solution.
I think it's bad that he is not willing at all to collaborate. He says
he wants "his" code in cocoon.
Wings was based on my code. Then Ke
I thought contributing to Cocoon to be easier... much easier :(
Actually I feel a bit sorry about this... that's not very rewarding for
someone wanting to contribute some code! And it makes me wonder: what
are the objective reasons to include code into the codebase or not.
Even for the committe
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Steven Noels dijo:
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Oops. I wrote the initial mail of the thread in the good sense. I
think that Cocoon need a chart transformer as it use a PDF serializer,
MP3 directory generator and so on. By the way into Cocoon we see 2 PDF
serializer:
itext
Steven Noels dijo:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>
>> Oops. I wrote the initial mail of the thread in the good sense. I
>> think that Cocoon need a chart transformer as it use a PDF serializer,
>> MP3 directory generator and so on. By the way into Cocoon we see 2 PDF
>> serializer:
>>
>> itext and FOP.
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Luca Morandini wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stephan Michels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:58 PM
> > To: cocoon-dev
> > Subject: RE: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
> >
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephan Michels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:58 PM
> To: cocoon-dev
> Subject: RE: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
>
> That reminds me with my discussion with Stefano etc. f
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Luca Morandini wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:06 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
>
> I've looked at the source code, and it's one cl
Luca Morandini wrote:
[...]
what to do about ChartTransformer ?
Plese, take into account that we're going to add more features to it (see the todo list) and they will be developed with only
JFreeChart in mind
I've looked at the source code, and it's one class, and it's heavily
tied to JFreeC
> -Original Message-
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:49 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
> >> Well, in all fairness, I'd like "my" package
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
Luca Morandini wrote:
Steven, this begs another question: what's should be inside Cocoon ?
[...]
To me, a component/block has not only a 'separateable' implementation,
which shows in the package naming and the fact it being a block, but
als
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Oops. I wrote the initial mail of the thread in the good sense. I think
that Cocoon need a chart transformer as it use a PDF serializer, MP3
directory generator and so on. By the way into Cocoon we see 2 PDF
serializer:
itext and FOP.
those are very different things in
Oops. I wrote the initial mail of the thread in the good sense. I think
that Cocoon need a chart transformer as it use a PDF serializer, MP3
directory generator and so on. By the way into Cocoon we see 2 PDF
serializer:
itext and FOP.
I never thinked it will trig a hot discusion. Sorry for that.
Steven Noels wrote:
Luca Morandini wrote:
Steven, this begs another question: what's should be inside Cocoon ?
[...]
To me, a component/block has not only a 'separateable' implementation,
which shows in the package naming and the fact it being a block, but
also some 'principal caretaker',
Luca Morandini wrote:
So, IMHO, the community should welcome donations, as long as they
come with no string attached and fit into the general vision.
Sure, but you are stating it a bit twisted yourself what the reasons are
behind a donation ;-)
Regards,
P.S. A big kiss to you as well, provid
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:10 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
> I loath to see people creating stuff outside this community, but with
>
Luca Morandini wrote:
Steven, this begs another question: what's should be inside Cocoon ?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=panacea ;-)
I promised to start a Wiki page about that, but haven't come across some
copious free time yet. _My_ main problem in researching this is the
disjunc
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:10 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
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> Sure. If more people, and hopefully Tom and other Wings folks, beco
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
But as I said in the SAP R/3 case, this won't solve the problem of the
corpulent codebase, and the issues with oversight that comes with its
weight. Your efforts in blockifying stuff have already unearthed several
issues, and I think we should actively try to keep the co
But as I said in the SAP R/3 case, this won't solve the problem of the
corpulent codebase, and the issues with oversight that comes with its
weight. Your efforts in blockifying stuff have already unearthed several
issues, and I think we should actively try to keep the core codebase clean
& healthy
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
In Cocoon we already have a chart transformer, based on Krysalis Wings.
It has evolved, and now we use JCharts, that is APL compatible.
Evolved? It requires some serious work, you mean. You are overselling
Wings, Nicola. Wings has a committers base which is rather ina
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> Luca Morandini wrote:
> > Steven,
> >
> > I'll arrange the donation in a few days :)
>
> In Cocoon we already have a
Luca Morandini wrote:
Steven,
I'll arrange the donation in a few days :)
In Cocoon we already have a chart transformer, based on Krysalis Wings.
It has evolved, and now we use JCharts, that is APL compatible.
Wings has the possibility of using different charting packages as
back-ends, and J
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> From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ChartTransformer 0.0.4 urge a commiter!
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> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
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> > Hey commiters, w
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Hey commiters, what are you waiting for?
This is a very interesting stuff. Please, Hurry up! ;-D
http://www.sidimar.ipzs.it/site/
sorry Antonio, that code is copyrighted by IPZS S.p.A, not ASF. Don't
expect this to be done unless this stuff is effectively donated to t
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