On 8/1/07, D Chudnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Separately I can bring up an emergency/temporary backup of the
www.code4lib.org site if it is not otherwise possible before the end
of the week. I'm in transit all day tomorrow, but let me know by
first thing friday
Sounds like a great idea to
On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/1/07, D Chudnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Separately I can bring up an emergency/temporary backup of the
www.code4lib.org site if it is not otherwise possible before the end
of the week. I'm in transit all day tomorrow, but let me
Not make this full-contact Ross/Dan ping-pong, but here we go.
On 8/1/07, D Chudnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) we could have found someplace
2) this is a problem either way
3) this is a problem either way
4) a few days' downtime is one thing - a few weeks' is another.
I suppose these are
I was hoping somebody would do this since bartleby is temporarily
dead. Thanks gabe!
On 8/1/07, D Chudnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Why isn't the www.code4lib.org site already back up (at minimum)?
When the server became unavailable during c4lc 2007, we were able to
restore from offsite backups and have an emergency-mode snapshot
live and useful within a matter of a few
On 8/2/07, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. Are there offsite backups of the www.code4lib.org site - its files
and database?
Yes, although they are partially corrupted because we didn't have a
rolling backup
Ah. Ouch. Okay.
I understand that some of these questions might seem
D Chudnov wrote:
1. Why isn't the www.code4lib.org site already back up (at minimum)?
Because nobody is getting paid to sysadmin that machine? To my mind,
it is clear that that machine was not being sysadmined up to
professional standards---but absolutely no-one, ever, committed to doing
D Chudnov wrote:
1) we could have found someplace
2) this is a problem either way
3) this is a problem either way
4) a few days' downtime is one thing - a few weeks' is another.
Yes, I believe everyone realizes this is a problem. That is why everyone
has been talking about figuring out a
Dan convinces me that iBiblio might be better than OSU, in terms of
their type of organization.
But OSU has made an offer of free supported hosting, under terms that to
me seem quite acceptable. Unless iBiblio makes a similar offer under
equal or better terms... I still think that an imperfect
On 8/2/07, D Chudnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought the site would be back up in some state earlier this week,
and like you I've been busy in the meantime. Seeing that it was still
down after 10 days led me to want to say something and offer to help.
Well, to be fair, some people have
Thanks, Dan. This is actually the best argument against an
arrangement outside of organization that explicitly does this sort of
work.
This much more soundly articulates my concern (I was using university
counsel as an example, but anyone in the chain can potentially disrupt
this entire
On 8/2/07, Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose these are really easy to say but I still haven't seen you
asking how you can help or what you can do get this back up since the
incident (until now). In fact, nobody has. Until Jeremy's (perfectly
reasonable) point that the C4L08
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Singer
Sent: 01 August, 2007 23:31
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org hosting
I don't think anything has been 'decided'. We had a meeting,
OSU stepped forward, nobody present objected.
I've been following this discussion (and read my scroll back having
missed the IRC meetings) and it seems like we have two things that need
to be discussed/decided and one thing that needs to get done as soon as
it can be done.
First, we need to get code4lib.org up in running at a temporary
Yes, I have a concern about a university hosting arrangement like what
you've described, though it doesn't have anything to do with OSU or
you. :) ibiblio is in the business of being a neutral hosting space
for sites like this (and, yes, they're at a university, but, their
long-lived
There's too many argument off-shoots so I'll just sum up my overly
personal opinions here.
* I agree with Ross and Co. about their concerns. When I offered AADL
as a possibility I was doing more so for the short term to get a site
up and running at least until the conference. Long-term I think
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 09:38:00AM -0400, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
Dan convinces me that iBiblio might be better than OSU, in terms of
their type of organization.
But OSU has made an offer of free supported hosting, under terms that to
me seem quite acceptable. Unless iBiblio makes a similar
Hi Folks -
So, I think many valid issues have been raised, especially Dan's and Karen's
in regards to longevity and exit strategy, and long-term hosting of
code4lib.org needs to be thought out carefully. But instead of delving into
that at the moment, I'm starting a new thread here, because I
It sounds like iBiblio may be our best bet for long-term hosting, but we
need to get the site up quickly. How soon could we get something on
their servers?
Not that quickily - probably at least a few weeks. It took at least a month -
if not more - for them to respond to my application for
On 2 August 2007, Edward Corrado wrote:
1) Where to permanently host code4lib.org. Right now we have two serious
proposals. One is at OSU and one is ibiblio. I don't think anyone at all
is concerned about the current people at OSU doing a good job. I know I
am not. That said, Dan Chudnov brings
On 8/2/07 8:13 AM, William Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe we should use Karen's list and some of the other points to issue an
RFP, to which Oregon State and ibiblio and others could respond?
I don't think an RFP is practical given what we're asking for. That is, if I
was offering to do
I agree with Jeremy that we need to do something about getting the site
up ASAP, and support the idea for a vote by 3 PM EST vote. It sounds
like Anvil isn't a solution for now, so I think we need to look at the
other two options. I'm happy with either, but if I have to choose, I say:
2) Get
So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are:
1) Get it back up on anvil
2) Get it up on Dan's Machine
3) Put it up here at OSU
My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine
might be easier if he already has an older version on there.
Kevin
Concur, adding that going with #3 or #2 (no preference from me formally
between the 2, you guys know better here) adds a much-needed release valve
so you don't have to make a decision about the permanent home under
pressure.
Don't know that you need a formal RFP for permanent (well, longterm
I agree with this. Expectations of anvil's return to duty shouldn't
add to the pressure of getting it running again.
-Ross.
On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are:
1) Get it back up on anvil
2) Get it up on
I don't really see any need to make this any more complicated. OSU
doesn't have to host it forever, just for now ... because they are
offering up resources. Do we really have to wring our hands any
longer? This is partly my fault for making it so public I guess.
btw, dchud did grab a tarball of
I agree with Kevin. #3 is also my first option.
It makes a whole lot of sense for OSU to host it in the short-term:
1. Jeremy is ready, willing, and able to do so and code4lib needs a new home
2. OSU is hosting the next conference, so there's that immediate
aspect to consider
Regarding Dan's
Okay, no objections, and it's afternoon in Philly, so here it is. I
think the following snippet pretty much covers yesterday's discussion.
I don't think anyone said anything too incriminating. Please excuse my
out-of-place Helen Thomas incrementing. Oh, and, mjgiarlo, I hope you
didn't mean for
I vote for OSU over dan's personal machine. A personal machine is what
we effectively had before, is still not professional-level sysadmining,
and that's what I think we need.
In the IRC chat (wasn't someone going to post the transcript?), OSU said
they should be able to host the Journal
In case anybody (like me) missed the deface:
http://www.zone-h.org/index2.php?option=com_mirrorwrpItemid=43id=6499108
Andrew Nagy wrote:
In case I can't make the conversation, I must suggest Bastille - a linux
package that does firewalling and IP Masquerading. I have been using it for
about
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