Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-02-11 Thread Eric Hellman
The COinS generator was an instance of the 1Cate/Worldcat Link Manager software, which has been retired. A replacement would be an hour or two of work in RoR or Django, very suitable for a hackathon. I’d be happy to consult if anyone wants it. I continue to be surprised at the ratio of

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-18 Thread Karen Coyle
. Giarlo Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:34 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Chad, In that case, I wonder if you might get more mileage out of schema.orgmicrodata instead of COinS. There are undoubtedly more clients out there that can make sense

[CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Chad Mills
I was able to easily find and create COinS for books and journals. I started thinking about images, video, audio, etc. I see references to 'info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:unknown' as a rft_val_fmt value some places. I would assume if I went down that road the rft.genre would have a value of 'unknown'

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Jodi Schneider
Hi Chad, Are these subscription images/video/audio that libraries have? The original purpose of COinS, as I understand it, was to get people to subscription copies. Depending on what you're doing (i.e. the purpose/intended use) there might be a better standard these days. In case it helps

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Karen Coyle
The missing formats are missing because they were never defined in the OpenURL standard. There is a registry of formats [1] that was designed to be updatable, although few updates have been done. I worked on the document type standards that are there today, and would happily help develop

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
What's your use case for the COinS, Chad? -Mike On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: The missing formats are missing because they were never defined in the OpenURL standard. There is a registry of formats [1] that was designed to be updatable, although few

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Chad Mills
to only certain resource types. Best, Chad - Original Message - From: Jodi Schneider jschnei...@pobox.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:54:43 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Hi Chad, Are these subscription images/video/audio

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Chad Mills
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:05:29 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support What's your use case for the COinS, Chad? -Mike On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: The missing formats are missing because they were never defined

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
to do I just didn't want to limit this feature to only certain resource types. Best, Chad - Original Message - From: Jodi Schneider jschnei...@pobox.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:54:43 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Hi

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Bigwood, David
12:34 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Chad, In that case, I wonder if you might get more mileage out of schema.orgmicrodata instead of COinS. There are undoubtedly more clients out there that can make sense of HTML5 microdata than COinS

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Chad Mills
J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:33:45 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Chad, In that case, I wonder if you might get more mileage out of schema.orgmicrodata instead of COinS. There are undoubtedly more

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
- From: Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:33:45 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Chad, In that case, I wonder if you might get more mileage out of schema.orgmicrodata instead of COinS

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Karen Coyle
, but it has gone. Anything of that ilk? Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael J. Giarlo Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:34 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Chad

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Sullivan, Mark V
: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support Mike, I initially started with microdata; larger coverage... Someone reminded me about COinS and that has gotten me distracted now. Been weighing both back and forth in my mind. Why not both? Can I have my cake and eat it too? I like cake, Chad

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS metadata format support

2014-01-17 Thread Roy Tennant
of the OCLC NJ COinS tool, but it has gone. Anything of that ilk? Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael J. Giarlo Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:34 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-21 Thread Owen Stephens
Agreed. The SchemaBibex group is having some of this discussion, and I think the 'appropriate copy' problem is one the library community can potentially bring to the table. There are no guarantees, and it could be we end up with yet another set of standards/guidelines/practices that the wider

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-21 Thread Michael Hopwood
, if anything to avoid proprietary solutions becoming de facto standards. Cheers, M -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Owen Stephens Sent: 21 November 2012 10:37 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS Agreed

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 11/20/2012 8:25 PM, Godmar Back wrote: Could you elaborate on your belief that COinS is actually illegal in HTML5? Why would that be so? Yeah, thanks for calling me on that, I was wrong! Not sure where I got that idea, but it does not seem to be illegal. (Did some earlier version of HTML5

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
It _IS_ an old unused metadata format that should be replaced by something else (among other reasons because it's actually illegal in HTML5), but I'm not sure there is a something else with the right balance of flexibility, simplicity, and actual adoption by consuming software. But COinS

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-20 Thread David Lawrence
For what it is worth, I can offer an approximate measure of the utility of COinS. After my online database had UnAPI metadata available for quite a while, I began receiving lots of requests for COinS from people who use Mendeley. Normally, I receive lots of complaints, requests and suggestions. I

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-20 Thread Godmar Back
Funny this topic comes up right now. A few days ago, Wikipedia (arguably the biggest provider of COiNS) decided to discontinue it because they've discovered that generating the COinS using their decrepit infrastructure uses up so much processing power that attempts to edit pages with lots of

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-20 Thread Young,Jeff (OR)
If the goal is to embed bibliographic metadata in HTML, I would suggest Schema.org instead of COinS. Jeff Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: It _IS_ an old unused metadata format that should be replaced by something else (among other reasons because it's actually illegal in HTML5),

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-20 Thread Godmar Back
Could you elaborate on your belief that COinS is actually illegal in HTML5? Why would that be so? - Godmar On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: It _IS_ an old unused metadata format that should be replaced by something else (among other reasons because

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-20 Thread Young,Jeff (OR)
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: What do you mean by suggest schema.org? I'm suggesting Schema.org as a cross-domain extensible vocabulary that that can be (but doesn't have to be) embedded in HTML (e.g. via Microdata http://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/ and/or RDFa http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-lite/

[CODE4LIB] COinS

2011-03-11 Thread Bigwood, David
I've been adding COinS to some of our pages. However, we don't have a URLResolver here, so I can't tell how they look and if they are working. Anyone willing to check a few and let me know? http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/lpi_contribution.cfm Thanks, David Bigwood dbigw...@hou.usra.edu Lunar

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2011-03-11 Thread Demian Katz
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:57 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] COinS I've been adding COinS to some of our pages. However, we don't have a URLResolver here, so I can't tell how they look and if they are working. Anyone willing to check a few and let me know? http

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2011-03-11 Thread Bigwood, David
Demian, Thanks for the tip. I'd forgotten Zotero did COinS. Dave -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Demian Katz Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:08 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS If you install

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-09 Thread Hellman,Eric
True, but sad. Sent from Eric Hellman's iPhone 1-862-596-0116 On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Karen Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Hellman wrote: Yep. There's no URI for LCC. You could put LCC in the subject field of a dublin core profile metadata format ContextObject. But it's not

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Even if there was a URI for LCC, I wouldn't put it in rft_id unless an individual LCC uniquely identifies a particular manifestation--I don't _think_ it does, I think two books can share the same LCC? But I guess not when you include all the trailing 'cutter'-type numbers? At any rate, there

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-09 Thread William Denton
On 9 December 2008, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: ... I think two books can share the same LCC? But I guess not when you include all the trailing 'cutter'-type numbers? Not in the same library, but there's nothing to stop two different libraries from having the same call number for two different

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
LCCN--Library of Congress Control Number--eg 98013779--, yes. LCC--Library of Congress Classification--eg BF575.H27 W35 1991--I don't think so. Jonathan Eric Hellman wrote: just catch up on the discussion here... for the benefit of those who aren't on the openurl list, it was pointed out

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-08 Thread Eric Hellman
Yep. There's no URI for LCC. You could put LCC in the subject field of a dublin core profile metadata format ContextObject. But it's not clear why anyone would want to do that. On 12/8/08 10:41 AM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LCCN--Library of Congress Control Number--eg

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-08 Thread Karen Coyle
Eric Hellman wrote: Yep. There's no URI for LCC. You could put LCC in the subject field of a dublin core profile metadata format ContextObject. But it's not clear why anyone would want to do that. Well, it could provide some -- dare I say? -- CONTEXT. Having the classification could help

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-07 Thread Ed Summers
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Michael Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've been reading it sounds like abbr with title is more of a problem than span with title. So maybe span with title isn't too much of a problem in practice? I suspect that whether the span is empty doesn't make a

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-07 Thread Ross Singer
I agree with this, as well as just using HTTP for it (Status: 300/Conneg). Still gets a bit tricky when talking about a 'search results' or 'browse' page (rather than a 'resource' page). Of course, some other metadata options beside JSON would probably helpful in this case, since it would take

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-07 Thread Eric Hellman
just catch up on the discussion here... for the benefit of those who aren't on the openurl list, it was pointed out that you can put lccn in a ContextObject using info uri's: rft_id=info:lccn/93004427 Eric On 12/1/08 1:28 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure there's

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Ross Singer
Wait, has there actually been confirmation of this behavior? What browser displays the title for a span? I haven't run across this. -Ross. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I had recently noticed indepedently, been unhappy with the way a COinS

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Chad Fennell
On Dec 4, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Tom Habing wrote: link rel=unapi-server type=application/xml title=unAPI href=http://www.dlfaquifer.org/unapi / Yes, forgot to mention this piece. link rel=unapi-server type=application/xml title=unAPI href=http://ethicshare.org/unapi /

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Thomas Dowling
On 12/05/2008 10:45 AM, Ross Singer wrote: Wait, has there actually been confirmation of this behavior? What browser displays the title for a span? I haven't run across this. If you tag things as span title='foo'Some Text/span, most browsers will display the title as a tooltip over Some

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Godmar Back
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I know of. You can say display:none, but that'll probably hide it from LibX etc too. No, why would it. BTW, I don't see why screen readers would stumble over this when the child of the span is empty. Do they

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread bill
Actually... @media aural :-) http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/media.html#media-types But is it supported well enough? On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I know of. You can say display:none, but that'll probably hide it from LibX etc too. What is

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread David Jones
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:31 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is needed is a CSS @media for screen readers, like one exists for 'print'. For CSS3, the working group feels that screen readers should combine screen and speech media types as

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Thomas Dowling
Actually [EMAIL PROTECTED] speech. :-) http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/aural.html CSS 2.1 reserves the 'speech' media type (see chapter 7, Media types), but does not yet define which properties do or do not apply to it...The type 'aural' is now deprecated. I strongly suspect the current generation

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Ross Singer
Right, one note on that: http://ocoins.info/#id3205609416 What I was more referring to was this behavior occurring w/r/t to COinS/unAPI. 1) Is this really happening? 2) Wouldn't this be an implementation issue? -Ross. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Thomas Dowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Ross Singer
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Godmar Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I know of. You can say display:none, but that'll probably hide it from LibX etc too. No, why would it. I agree with Godmar -- everything

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
My Firefox3 does, and my IE7 does too. That's mysterious that yours doesn't. Jonathan Ross Singer wrote: Wait, has there actually been confirmation of this behavior? What browser displays the title for a span? I haven't run across this. -Ross. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Ah, thanks Godmar and Thomas. The empty span is probably the key. I don't always use empty spans for COinS. For instance, the Code4Lib Journal, we put a link inside the span that takes you to a page that says If you had LibX installed, you'd get useful functionality here instead of this link.

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Oops, good point, display:none might cause problems for COinS using user-agents that count on inserting content into the span and having it be visible. Perhaps user-agents should be changed to change the style, removing display:none if it's there, maybe that should be reccommended best

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Ed Summers
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Godmar Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it. BTW, I don't see why screen readers would stumble over this when the child of the span is empty. Do they try to read empty text? And if a COinS is processed, we fix up the title so tooltips show nicely. Yeah, if

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Ross Singer
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Godmar Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I don't see why screen readers would stumble over this when the child of the span is empty. Do they try to read empty text? And if a COinS is processed, we fix up the title so tooltips show nicely. Thinking about this

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Godmar Back
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Godmar Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I don't see why screen readers would stumble over this when the child of the span is empty. Do they try to read empty text? And if a COinS is

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-05 Thread Michael Ang
Ed Summers wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Godmar Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it. BTW, I don't see why screen readers would stumble over this when the child of the span is empty. Do they try to read empty text? And if a COinS is processed, we fix up the title so tooltips

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-04 Thread Tom Habing
For the DLF Aquifer portal (http://www.dlfaquifer.org/), we have implemented unAPI as follows. In the html head there is a link: link rel=unapi-server type=application/xml title=unAPI href=http://www.dlfaquifer.org/unapi; / which identifies the base URL for the unAPI service, then

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-04 Thread Chad Fennell
On Dec 3, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: Thanks, Chad, it does help. And I think it helps me understand why I was a bit confused by the suggestion, but let me see if I've gotten it: I asked about COinS. COinS (drat, hate uplow, from now on just coins) is basically just a formatted

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-04 Thread Godmar Back
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Godmar Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COinS are still needed, in particular in situations in which multiple resources are displayed on a page (like, for instance, in the search results pages of

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, I had recently noticed indepedently, been unhappy with the way a COinS title shows up in mouse-overs, and is reccommended to be used by screen readers. Oops. But I think it's still worth putting in, until we come up with something better. COinS is one of the few useful micro-standards

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-04 Thread Thomas Dowling
On 12/04/2008 02:02 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Yeah, I had recently noticed indepedently, been unhappy with the way a COinS title shows up in mouse-overs, and is reccommended to be used by screen readers. Oops. By any chance, do current screen readers honor something like 'span class=Z3988

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Not that I know of. You can say display:none, but that'll probably hide it from LibX etc too. What is needed is a CSS @media for screen readers, like one exists for 'print'. So you could have a seperate stylesheet for screenreaders, like you can have a seperate stylesheet for print. That

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I know of no uses other than browser plug-ins. For microformats in general, browser plugins (or other user-agent behavior--at one point there was talk of supporting microformats in FF3 without a plugin, but it didn't make it in) are the most common use case. I know of no way for you to

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-03 Thread Chad Fennell
On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: I've looked at unAPI, but I can't get a handle on what needs to be in the abbr. What would be useful? kc I put together a pretty basic unAPI interface (technically, a Drupal module) for our EthicShare project; you can see how the abbr tags

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks, Chad, it does help. And I think it helps me understand why I was a bit confused by the suggestion, but let me see if I've gotten it: I asked about COinS. COinS (drat, hate uplow, from now on just coins) is basically just a formatted string imbedded in the html that will be used by an

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yes, that's correct. However, if you already offer persistent URLs for item data in one or more machine-readable formats (like MARC, or DC in XML), the additional work that needs to be done is likely just a fairly small amount of 'glue' to make those alternate formats discoverable via unAPI.

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-03 Thread Ross Singer
This is correct. I'd bet it'd be like 10 lines of PHP or less, though. -Ross. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Karen Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Chad, it does help. And I think it helps me understand why I was a bit confused by the suggestion, but let me see if I've gotten it: I

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Summers
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Godmar Back [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COinS are still needed, in particular in situations in which multiple resources are displayed on a page (like, for instance, in the search results pages of most online systems or on pages such as http://citeulike.org, or in a

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Summers
One thing to keep in mind when looking at unAPI, COinS and Microformats in general is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/06/removing_microformats_from_bbc.shtml //Ed

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-02 Thread Karen Coyle
Ed Summers wrote: I guess the main thing I wanted to communicate is that you could simply add: link rel=alternate type=application/json href=http://openlibrary.org/api/get?key=/b/{open-library-id}; / to the head element in OpenLibrary HTML pages for books, and that would go a long way to

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-02 Thread Ere Maijala
Gabriel Farrell wrote: COinS would be great, but unAPI would be useful also. In the case of Zotero, for example, more information can be passed along with unAPI than with COinS. I agree. They are not mutually exclusive and can be used for quite different purposes. In my experience COinS is

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-02 Thread Godmar Back
Having a per-page link to get an alternate representation of a resource is certainly helpful for some applications, and please do support it, but don't consider the problem solved. The primary weakness of this approach is that it works only if a page is dedicated to a single resource. COinS are

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-02 Thread Karen Coyle
I've looked at unAPI, but I can't get a handle on what needs to be in the abbr. What would be useful? kc Ere Maijala wrote: Gabriel Farrell wrote: COinS would be great, but unAPI would be useful also. In the case of Zotero, for example, more information can be passed along with unAPI than

[CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Karen Coyle
I have a question to ask for the Open Library folks and I couldn't quite figure out where to ask it. This seems like a good place. Would it be useful to embed COinS in the book pages of the Open Library? Does anyone think they might make use of them? Thanks, kc --

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Raymond Yee
Having COinS embedded in the Open Library would be useful. Zotero would have made use of such COinS -- but because they were absent, a custom translator was written to grab the bibliographic metadata from OL. -Raymond Karen Coyle wrote: I have a question to ask for the Open Library folks and

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Jodi Schneider
Coyle Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:08 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL? I have a question to ask for the Open Library folks and I couldn't quite figure out where to ask it. This seems like a good place. Would it be useful to embed COinS in the book pages

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Eric Hellman
Not just the book pages, I might add! Wikipedia probably has the most non-book COinS deployed; Worldcat is the premier site for book COinS. A recent but impressive addition to the COinSiverse is ResearchBlogging- see http://ResearchBlogging.org Eric On 12/1/08 11:08 AM, Karen Coyle [EMAIL

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Stephens, Owen
: +44 (0)20 7594 8829 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: 01 December 2008 16:08 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL? I have a question to ask for the Open Library folks

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yes. A COinS object could/would allow users using LibX to be directed to my link resolver, to find an alternate licensed ebook copy of that book, to issue an ILL request for a print version, or to find a print version on the local libraries shelves. It is important that the COinS object

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks, Eric (and all!) - by non-book you mean other formats (films, music, etc.?) OL doesn't have records for those (yet). There is an author record, but I'm not sure how it might be used (it doesn't have a link to LCNA). I supposed a COinS with the author name and dates would be of some

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks for the specifics. I'll definitely include those. We also have things like DDC and LCC -- I'm not sure those help in the OpenURL world although I'm always hoping that someone will find a good use for them since they are rich bits of information. And we have lots of subjects, but I guess

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm not sure if a COinS with just author information, rather than a citation to a particular bibliographic resource, is actually of use. The OpenURL SAP profiles, which COinS works with, wasn't really designed for that. I'd work up a clear use case before expending development energy on it.

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm not sure there's any good way to include a DDC or LCC in an SAP1 OpenURL for COinS. Same with subject vocabularies. Really, I'm pretty sure there is NOT, in fact. But if there is, sure, throw them in, put in anything you've got. But this re-affirms my suggestion that there might be a

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread John Miedema
Definitely useful. Minor note. COinS appears to separate first and last name for authors. Open Library has them as a single field. I'm sure you'll find a solution. On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 08:08 -0800, Karen Coyle wrote: I have a question to ask for the Open Library folks and I couldn't quite

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Erik Hetzner
At Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:15:24 -0800, Raymond Yee wrote: Having COinS embedded in the Open Library would be useful. Zotero would have made use of such COinS -- but because they were absent, a custom translator was written to grab the bibliographic metadata from OL. Zotero also supports Unapi,

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Gabriel Farrell
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:08:15AM -0800, Karen Coyle wrote: I have a question to ask for the Open Library folks and I couldn't quite figure out where to ask it. This seems like a good place. Would it be useful to embed COinS in the book pages of the Open Library? Does anyone think they

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Godmar Back
PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: 01 December 2008 16:08 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL? I have a question to ask for the Open Library folks and I couldn't quite figure out where

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Ross Singer
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM, John Miedema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definitely useful. Minor note. COinS appears to separate first and last name for authors. Open Library has them as a single field. I'm sure you'll find a solution. Depending on the metadata format used (I figure pretty

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Of course, if the software providing the structured data does already know how to seperate firstname and lastname, that will be quite useful to the client who is receiving it. But if all you've got is a name string and don't know what is firstname and what is lastname, yeah, the OpenURL

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Ed Summers
Hi Karen: I definitely think adding COinS to OpenLibrary pages could make sense. I'm curious what everyone's use case is. Is it mainly browser plugins that can inject links to a relevant OpenURL router so that you can find books in your local context? If so I think use of COinS in OpenLibrary

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Karen Coyle
John Miedema wrote: Definitely useful. Minor note. COinS appears to separate first and last name for authors. Open Library has them as a single field. I'm sure you'll find a solution. We've still got the input records with last, first, and they are linked to the OL record. But I also

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks, Ed. Some of this is a bit over my head, but I'll pass it along to those to whom it will make sense. There is every intention to make the OL data available in machine-readable formats -- there's the usual problem of not having enough time to implement everything with a small

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-01 Thread Ed Summers
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Karen Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked about COinS because it's something I have vague knowledge of. (And I assume it isn't too difficult to implement.) However, if there are other services that would make a bigger difference, I invite you (all) to speak

[CODE4LIB] COinS implementation suggestion?

2007-01-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I am developing a service to put our link resolver (SFX) information for a given title on the OPAC 'details' screen for that title. In addition to putting the information right on that screen, I'm putting an OpenURL link there to our link resolver. To begin with, this is not COinS, because I

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS implementation suggestion?

2007-01-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
That makes sense, thanks. I have certainly spent some time with that openurl reference document. It occurs to me that for external users, it would actually be _preferable_ for them to see both sets of links. Since this link is in fact attached in this case to some data generated _from_ my link