of incidents
is particularly informative, either: we'd be unhappy with one, no?
So it may help to pick a random sample of the incidents and consider
whether the anti-harassment policy for code4lib would deal with it.
Moreover, I reject that we should place too much weight on that
resource
Erik Hetzner erik.hetz...@ucop.edu
MJ Ray wrote:
However, I'm saddened that I seem to be the first to object to the
hand-waving (number of reports) and prejudice in the above
paragraph. The above problems seem more likely to arise from being
drunk or being idiots than from being men. […]
it may help to pick a random sample of the incidents and consider
whether the anti-harassment policy for code4lib would deal with it.
This is a good idea. Often, short policies will have the short formal
language up front, and then a comments section which isn't part of the
policy, but explains
,
our core values include equality. I would like to see an
anti-harassment policy for code4lib.
However, I'm saddened that I seem to be the first to object to the
hand-waving (number of reports) and prejudice in the above
paragraph. The above problems seem more likely to arise from being
drunk
raising of consciousness of
these issues, is a good thing.
I'm a member of software.coop, which helps write library software,
including Koha - we co-hosted KohaCon12 this summer. Like all co-ops,
our core values include equality. I would like to see an
anti-harassment policy for code4lib
-ops,
our core values include equality. I would like to see an
anti-harassment policy for code4lib.
However, I'm saddened that I seem to be the first to object to the
hand-waving (number of reports) and prejudice in the above
paragraph. The above problems seem more likely to arise from being
I'd support removing or somehow couching language about any organizer,
including any volunteer, immediately ending a talk.
All the other sanctions seem to involve the likelihood of deliberation
involving some time and multiple people, and some possibility of a
misunderstanding being cleared up. I
All,
Please feel free to make the changes you'd like to see and then submit a
pull request. I have added instructions for how to do this in the README:
https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy
I say this not to shame anyone in the jerky patches welcome! sense, but
as an
thing.
I'm a member of software.coop, which helps write library software,
including Koha - we co-hosted KohaCon12 this summer. Like all co-ops,
our core values include equality. I would like to see an
anti-harassment policy for code4lib.
However, I'm saddened that I seem
library software,
including Koha - we co-hosted KohaCon12 this summer. Like all co-ops,
our core values include equality. I would like to see an
anti-harassment policy for code4lib.
However, I'm saddened that I seem to be the first to object to the
hand-waving (number of reports) and prejudice
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Tim Spalding t...@librarything.com wrote:
I'd support removing or somehow couching language about any organizer,
including any volunteer, immediately ending a talk.
All the other sanctions seem to involve the likelihood of deliberation
involving some time and
Wow. We could not have gotten a better follow-up to our long thread
about coders and non-coders.
I don't git. I've used it to read code, but never contributed. I even
downloaded a gui with a cute icon that is supposed to make it easy, and
it still is going to take some learning.
So I'm
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
Wow. We could not have gotten a better follow-up to our long thread about
coders and non-coders.
I don't git. I've used it to read code, but never contributed. I even
downloaded a gui with a cute icon that is supposed to
,
including Koha - we co-hosted KohaCon12 this summer. Like all co-ops,
our core values include equality. I would like to see an
anti-harassment policy for code4lib.
However, I'm saddened that I seem to be the first to object to the
hand-waving (number of reports) and prejudice in the above
...@listserv.nd.edu
Date: November 26, 2012 2:16:24 PM PST
To: Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com
Subject: Your message dated Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:16:25 -0800 with subject
Your message dated Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:16:25 -0800 with subject
anti-harassment policy for code4lib? has been successfully
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote:
To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool
our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make
Also, one of the advantages for most anti-harassment policies is that they
define the behavior in terms of the recipient feeling
uncomfortable/threatened. You'd be surprised how many of the recent ugly
con situations in the geek communities had people whose defense was: But I
wasn't being an
Also, I've seen a number of reports over the last few years of women who were
harassed at predominately-male tech conferences. Taken together, they paint a
picture of men (particularly drunken men) creating an atmosphere that makes a
lot of people feel excluded and worry about being harassed
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael
J. Giarlo
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:47 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
Hi Kyle,
IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an
instrument to point to in the event that we
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
Hi Kyle,
IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an
instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an
offender.
That was the reasoning for the DCBPW code of conduct ... covering
+1 to Bess for raising the topic -- I'm onboard.
Jon's point is an important one. Code4Lib does not have a formal structure,
owner, or convening body. Any power in the Code4Lib community is directly
proportional to the collective will of the members of this community.
Therefore I think it
+1 - unfortunately, without a set policy, any infractions have to be treated
arbitrarily by... well, by whom?
Having a policy eases the burden of the organizers who don't have to be forced
into making one on the spot in reaction to an incident.
-Ross.
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Michael J.
On 11/26/12 4:37 PM, Joe Hourcle wrote:
Don't be an asshole.
Could that become the 11th commandment, and could we get a really really
angry god to enforce it? Everywhere, all of the time?
kc
I think there was a second line of it, about how we had the right to
remove people who refused to
bess++
giarlo++
matienzo++
tennant++
all who have agreed to volunteer++
I think there are plenty of volunteers, so I'll gladly defer to others. (If
you do need more, you know where to find me.) I trust you guys to make it
sensible, not too formal, blah blah. As for signing personal names
This is now SOP for open-source software events and organizations. I
don't seem to do anything except go to open-source software events, so
I can't speak to any other type of event or group.
Cary
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo
leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote:
Hi Kyle,
A+ would fork again
On Nov 27, 2012 7:47 AM, Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org wrote:
+1 to Bess for raising the topic -- I'm onboard.
Jon's point is an important one. Code4Lib does not have a formal
structure, owner, or convening body. Any power in the Code4Lib community
is
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
Bess++
Not going to the conf this year, but very willing to pitch in on this
Carol
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu
wrote:
bess++
Let's do this.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Timothy
I think a good code is Try not to be an asshole. You can but try.
Never-the-less, I feel it mitigates the need for an angry god and makes the
10 commandments redundant.
Anyway, thanks to Bess for raising the issue. I think all of you have made
a great start. I think there are more than enough
The problem with Try not to be an asshole. is that it is open to
interpretation. Someone might try not to be an asshole and fail
miserably. Google is more definite with don't be evil, but opinion
varies as to whether they are much good at not being evil.
I think that it is difficult to have a
It should be low barrier and low risk for individuals to tell
us/someone when they feel uncomfortable. Hopefully with enough
detail to allow for remediation/change.
Riffing from Naomi, and others, about the worry that people might be both
upset and not know how to proceed:
We have enough
should not be a community where people have to make that choice.
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for code4lib
conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the larger open source
software community, and we would be joining the ranks of many other
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote:
If the answer is the usual code4lib answer (some variation on Great idea!
How are you going to make that happen?) then I hereby nominate myself as a
member of the Anti-Harrassment Policy Adoption committee for the
+1
Thanks for putting this forward Bess!
-nruest
On 12-11-26 05:19 PM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote:
If the answer is the usual code4lib answer (some variation on Great idea! How are
you going to make that happen?) then I
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:16:25PM -0800, Bess Sadler wrote:
Thanks for considering this suggestion. If the answer is the usual code4lib
answer (some variation on Great idea! How are you going to make that
happen?) then I hereby nominate myself as a member of the Anti-Harrassment
Policy
personal boundaries or even safety. We should not be a community where
people have to make that choice.
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for
code4lib conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the larger
open source software community, and we would
+1 and add my name to the list.
There's a seedling of a similar policy at
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/How_to_hack_code4lib#Don.27t_be_sexist.2Fracist.2F.2Aist,
but I'd be more than happy to help grow it.
Thanks,
Becky
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote:
would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for
code4lib conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the larger
open source software community, and we would be joining the ranks of
many
other conferences:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment
one
can feel that membership in a community is more important than one's
personal boundaries or even safety. We should not be a community where
people have to make that choice.
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for
code4lib conferences. This is emerging
to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for code4lib
conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the larger open source
software community, and we would be joining the ranks of many other
conferences:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Adoption. The Ada
+1 - I totally agree on that.
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Roy Tennant
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:27 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
I'd be happy
OK - to start, I've created a Github repo to help with drafting a
policy: https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy
There's just a README there now with a bunch of resources. I'll try to
add more content there later this evening.
Mark
Thanks for bringing this up, Bess.
+1
*
*
*
Timothy A. Lepczyk*
Digital Humanities Pedagogy Fellow
Hendrix College
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Mark A. Matienzo
mark.matie...@gmail.comwrote:
OK - to start, I've created a Github repo to help with drafting a
policy:
?
Thanks for bringing this to my and everyone's attention!
...adam
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for
code4lib conferences.
This communication is a confidential and proprietary business communication
bess++
Let's do this.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Timothy A. Lepczyk timlepc...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for bringing this up, Bess.
+1
*
*
*
Timothy A. Lepczyk*
Digital Humanities Pedagogy Fellow
Hendrix College
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Mark A. Matienzo
an anti-harassment policy for
code4lib conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the larger open
source software community, and we would be joining the ranks of many other
conferences:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Adoption. The
Ada Initiative has
Bess++
Not going to the conf this year, but very willing to pitch in on this
Carol
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu
wrote:
bess++
Let's do this.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Timothy A. Lepczyk
timlepc...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks for
about because sometimes one can feel
that membership in a community is more important than one's personal
boundaries or even safety. We should not be a community where people
have to make that choice.
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for
code4lib conferences
or even safety. We should not be a community where people
have to make that choice.
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy for
code4lib conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the larger
open source software community, and we would be joining the ranks
about because sometimes one can feel
that membership in a community is more important than one's personal
boundaries or even safety. We should not be a community where people
have to make that choice.
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy
for
code4lib
in a community is more important than one's personal
boundaries or even safety. We should not be a community where people
have to make that choice.
I would like for us to consider adopting an anti-harassment policy
for
code4lib conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the
larger
an anti-harassment policy
for
code4lib conferences. This is emerging as a best practice in the
larger
open source software community, and we would be joining the ranks of
many other conferences:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Adoption.
The Ada Initiative has a great
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
Why have an official anti-harassment policy for your conference? First, it
is necessary (unfortunately). Harassment at conferences is incredibly common
- for example, see this timeline
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote:
It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets
anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++,
anarchivist++ for the quick assist.
This.
To that end, and as a show of
Hi Kyle,
IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an
instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an
offender.
-Mike
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon
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