Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-17 Thread Peter Murray
(Back from vacation now. Thanks again for everyone's thoughts and suggestions.) On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Just to play Simplicity Devil's Advocate, and admittedly not having followed this whole thread or your whole design. What if the model was nothing but two

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-09 Thread Brice Stacey
I'd be curious to know if this project itself would be open source. Second, I'm intrigued because I've never seen a UML diagram so close before in the wild and it's fascinating to discover the jokes are true (I kid, I kid...). Let's get serious and pull out your Refactoring book by Fowler and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Jones
As some points for comparison, you might look at two exisintg and similar systems for registering software... First, a software tools database that is maintained for the environmental sciences community: http://ebmtoolsdatabase.org/ An example of one of my tool entries in this system is here:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I agree with Brice think you might be over-thinking/over-architecting it, although over-thinking is one of my sins too and I'm not always sure how to get out of it. But am I correct that you're going to be relying on user-submitted content in large part? Then it's important to keep it simple,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-09 Thread Peter Murray
I'm combining several responses into one. Apologies for the delay in getting back to folks; I'm technically on vacation at the moment... On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Brice Stacey wrote: I'd be curious to know if this project itself would be open source. Yes, we'll post the registry code and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-09 Thread stuart yeates
On 10/08/11 09:45, Peter Murray wrote: Lastly, you may want to look into Drupal's project module. I think that's what they use to run their module directory. It seems like it would be a good starting point and may work out of the box. Cool -- thanks for the tip! You may also be interested

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Jones
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nzwrote: ... Ohloh is great. However it relies almost completely on metrics which are easily gamed by the technically competent. Use of these kinds of metrics in ways which encouraging gaming will only be productive in the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-07 Thread stuart yeates
On 06/08/11 10:27, Peter Murray wrote: Well, we certainly don't want to get into a situation where we find it is turtles all of the way down. Am I right in parsing that as we have consciously decided to make the registry blind to the concept of visualisation. ? Given that visualisation is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-05 Thread Peter Murray
On Aug 4, 2011, at 4:17 PM, stuart yeates wrote: On 04/08/11 13:09, Peter Murray wrote: Thanks for the reply, Stuart. With the first question, I've updated the diagram to add an Association entity. (Technically, I don't think this is an entity but rather a specialization of a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-05 Thread Peter Murray
Taken as a whole, the community and member surveys LYRASIS did a year ago found that open source software is still in early adoption. There are notable packages that are breaking out of that stage, but the the majority of survey responses said that libraries are seeking assistance with

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-05 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Peter Murray wrote: Marshall's numbers do show an interesting up-tick in the adoption of open source, but I don't think we can call it a trend yet. The way the world looks from my vantage point is that there is still a lot of interest in open source and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-04 Thread BWS Johnson
Salvete!   This is insightful, Eric.  The thrust of our justification to the Mellon Foundation was to help take open source from early adopt to early majority (on Everett Roger's Diffusion of Innovations scale).  So while early adopters will want to scratch an itch I don't think the same

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-03 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Aug 1, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Peter Murray wrote: As part of the Mellon Foundation grant funding the start-up of LYRASIS Technology Services, LTS is to produce a series of tools that enable libraries to decide whether open source is right for their environments. I’ve put a page up on the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-03 Thread stuart yeates
On 02/08/11 08:22, Peter Murray wrote: Colleagues -- please excuse the cross-posting; I've found the circle of people potentially interested in this was wider than I thought. As part of the Mellon Foundation grant funding the start-up of LYRASIS Technology Services, LTS is to produce a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-08-03 Thread Peter Murray
Thanks for the reply, Stuart. With the first question, I've updated the diagram to add an Association entity. (Technically, I don't think this is an entity but rather a specialization of a relationship.) This is based off some great work I saw at the NITRC. Take a look at the Associations

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-07-28 Thread Peter Murray
Library Systems Specifications: http://libtechrfp.wikispaces.com -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Murray Sent: 18 July 2011 16:02 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-07-27 Thread Ken Chad
: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Murray Sent: 18 July 2011 16:02 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry Nate -- Thanks for the pointer to NITRC. There are some good

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-07-18 Thread Peter Murray
Nate -- Thanks for the pointer to NITRC. There are some good interface elements there that might be useful to emulate. I want to be clear that our grant mandate extends only to the FreshMeat registry functionality. Source code hosting is definitely out of scope for what we are doing.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-07-18 Thread Peter Murray
On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: You might also talk to the http://oss4lib.org/ folks to see what they did. I had some early conversations with Dan Chudnov about six months ago as early plans were being drawn up. I haven't reached out to Dan specifically with the latest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-07-17 Thread Nate Vack
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org wrote: On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Mike Taylor wrote: Isn't this pretty much what FreshMeat is for?        http://freshmeat.net/ It is similar in concept to Freshmeat, but the scope is limited to library-oriented

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-07-15 Thread Mike Taylor
Isn't this pretty much what FreshMeat is for? http://freshmeat.net/ -- Mike. On 15 July 2011 19:42, Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org wrote: Colleagues -- As part of the Mellon Foundation grant funding the start-up of LYRASIS Technology Services, LTS is establishing a registry

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking feedback on database design for an open source software registry

2011-07-15 Thread Peter Murray
On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Mike Taylor wrote: Isn't this pretty much what FreshMeat is for? http://freshmeat.net/ It is similar in concept to Freshmeat, but the scope is limited to library-oriented software (which might be too use-specific for Freshmeat and certainly harder to find