[CODE4LIB] Mashed Library UK 2009 - registration now open

2009-05-01 Thread David Pattern
Hope this might be of interest to some of you. I'm not sure how feasible it'll be to stream and/or video the event, but we're currently looking into it. regards Dave Pattern University of Huddersfield - Mashed Library UK 2009: Mash Oop North! Date: Tuesday 7th July 2009 Time:

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Mike Taylor
Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress writes: Thanks, Ross. For SRU, this is an opportune time to reconcile these differences. Opportune, because we are approaching standardization of SRU/CQL within OASIS, and there will be a number of areas that need to change. Agreed. Looking at the

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Mike Taylor
Jonathan Rochkind writes: Crosswalk is exactly the wrong answer for this. Two very small overlapping communities of most library developers can surely agree on using the same identifiers, and then we make things easier for US. We don't need to solve the entire universe of problems. Solve

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Amanda P
On the other hand, there are projects like bkrpr [2] and [3], home-brew scanning stations build for marginally more than the cost of a pair of $100 cameras. Cameras around $100 dollars are very low quality. You could get no where near the dpi recommended for materials that need to be OCRed. The

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread William Wueppelmann
Amanda P wrote: Cameras around $100 dollars are very low quality. You could get no where near the dpi recommended for materials that need to be OCRed. The quality of images from cameras would be not only low, but the OCR (even with the best software) would probably have many errors. For someone

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Erik Hetzner
At Fri, 1 May 2009 09:51:19 -0500, Amanda P wrote: On the other hand, there are projects like bkrpr [2] and [3], home-brew scanning stations build for marginally more than the cost of a pair of $100 cameras. Cameras around $100 dollars are very low quality. You could get no where near the

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Peter Noerr
I am pleased to disagree to various levels of 'strongly (if we can agree on a definition for it :-). Ross earlier gave a sample of a crossw3alk' for my MARC problem. What he supplied -snip We could have something like: http://purl.org/DataFormat/marcxml . skos:prefLabel MARC21 XML . .

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Ross Singer
Ideally, though, if we have some buy in and extend this outside our communities, future identifiers *should* have fewer variations, since people can find the appropriate URI for the format and use that. I readily admit that this is wishful thinking, but so be it. I do think that modeling it as

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Peter Noerr
I agree with Ross wholeheartedly. Particularly in the use of an RDF based mechanism to describe, and then have systems act on, the semantics of these uniquely identified objects. Semantics (as in Web) has been exercising my thoughts recently and the problems we have here are writ large over all

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Joe Atzberger
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com wrote: If you want real 300 dpi images, at anything like the quality you get from a flatbed scanner, then you're going to need cameras much more expensive than $100. Or just wait, say, about 3 years.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Han, Yan
That is right. In addition, for certain printing (gold seal), digital camera delivers better result than scanners. -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:38 PM To:

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
From my perspective, all we're talking about is using the same URI to refer to the same format(s) accross the library community standards this community generally can control. That will make things much easier for developers, especially but not only when building software that interacts with

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Randy Stern
My understanding is that a flatbed or sheetfed document scanner that produces 300 dpi will produce much better OCR results than a cheap digital camera that produces 300 dpi. The reasons have to do with the resolution and distortion of the resulting image, where resolution is defined as the

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Mike Taylor
So what are we talking about here? A situation where an SRU server receives a request for response records to be delivered in a particular format, it doesn't recognise the format URI, so it goes and looks it up in an RDF database and discovers that it's equivalent to a URI that it does know? Hmm

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Mike Taylor
William Wueppelmann writes: Cameras around $100 dollars are very low quality. You could get no where near the dpi recommended for materials that need to be OCRed. The quality of images from cameras would be not only low, but the OCR (even with the best software) would probably have

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, I don't think people use cameras instead of flatbed scanners because they produce superior results, or are cheaper: They use them because they're _faster_ for large-scale digitization, and also make it possible to capture pages from rare/fragile materials with less damage to the

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Ross Singer
I agree that most software probably won't do it. But the data will be there and free and relatively easy to integrate if one wanted to. In a lot ways, Jonathan, it's got Umlaut written all over it. Now to get to Jonathan's point -- yes, I think the primary goal still needs to be working towards

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Lars Aronsson
Mike Taylor wrote: Or not. Cheap cameras may well produce JPEGs that contain eight million pixels, but that doesn't mean that they are using all or even much of that resolution. Does anybody have a printed test sheet that we can scan or photo, and then compare the resulting digital