[CODE4LIB] Organisational Apps - Does anyone save them? Apologies for cross-posting

[Penelope Campbell]

Hello, 
 
My organisation  has created an app for  domestic and family violence
see  link
http://www.women.nsw.gov.au/violence_prevention/domestic_and_family_viol
ence_app
 
I would like to capture the app and catalogue it. 
 
The rationale for cataloguing it is that it is part of a program to help
lower the incidence of domestic and family violence.
 
Does anyone capture the apps their organisation creates? Is it even
possible?
 
If yes, can you share your experiences? 
 
The Library system we use is hosted, thus we are limited in what we can
do as coders.
 
 
Thanks
 
Penelope Campbell | Library 
Department of Family and Community Services Analysis and Research
(FACSAR)
T 02 8753 8732 | F 02 8753 8734
A Ground Floor, 223-239 Liverpool Road Ashfield NSW, 2131
A Locked bag 4001 Ashfield BC NSW, 1800
E penelope.campb...@facs.nsw.gov.au
 
E libr...@facs.nsw.gov.au
W www.facs.nsw.gov.au   


 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Cornel Darden Jr.]

Hello,

Thanks Kyle. 

Thanks,

Cornel Darden Jr.  
MSLIS
Library Department Chair
South Suburban College
7087052945

"Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong 
learning."

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Kyle Banerjee  wrote:

>> 
>> I think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a
>> professional organization for librarians that code. These talks of
>> standards and guidelines may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome
>> as well! But is there not a need for something else?
> 
> Aside from the library specific organizations mentioned already, there are
> plenty of professional organizations for librarians who code. I'm partial
> to ACM, but IEEE is another obvious choice and there are others.  Mixing it
> up with people who come from different backgrounds and do different things
> is fun, exposes you to more stuff, and prevents intellectual inbreeding.
> 
> Don't discount local groups. They're normally less specialized, but face
> time helps you make connections between people, systems, methods, etc that
> you otherwise wouldn't.
> 
> kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Christine Mayo]

I am less of a coder myself and more of a lurker, but I'm familiar with the
app development scene for games on mobile phones, and I would suggest
taking a look at http://xamarin.com/, which not only provides a platform
for cross-platform development in C# (code once and it runs on darn near
anything), but also has a service for cloud testing on simulated devices,
so that you can test your app without having a bunch of different tablets
and phones on hand. I don't know what the prices are like; I know that a
license for Unity, the game engine that's based on this platform, can be a
bit pricey (though cheap compared to other engines).

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Will Martin  wrote:

> Lots of good info here, thanks.
>
>  You don't say what this app is supposed to do, and that might
>> influence your decision.  [...] If you are going to provide
>> services that are on your website, it likely makes little sense
>> to build apps.
>>
>
> That's the idea: make our stuff available through phones. And I agree, an
> app makes little sense.  Sadly, it's not my choice to make -- that decision
> was made further up the chain of command, without consulting me.
>
>  Your website looks homegrown [...] you might consider Drupal or WordPress
>> ...
>>
>
> Ye gods, I wish it were homegrown.  I'd have done a better job of it.  Or
> rather, I'd have done it in Drupal, which I worked with for years at a
> different institution, including developing custom themes and modules.
> Drupal's a solid system.  I miss it.
>
> But no, we're stuck in a poor excuse for a CMS called "OmniUpdate", which
> is written in an unholy mixture of XSLT and Cold Fusion.  It was selected
> by the marketing department, is mandated across the campus, and makes my
> job way harder than it has to be.  OmniUpdate is damage to work around, not
> a system to work with.
>
> I've done the best I can with it, but there are limits.  In theory, an
> OmniUpdate site can be made responsive -- but in this case, that means
> making the entire campus web infrastructure responsive, because we share a
> common template with the entire university.  That's a good idea which
> probably needs to happen, but also a MASSIVE undertaking -- largely because
> it rapidly gets into some fairly heated campus politics.
>
> So in the meantime, I'm going to do research on this and put together a
> project prospectus laying out the possible approaches and challenges, to
> see if my bosses really want me to do this.  If the really do, it'll
> probably eat all of my time and then some for the foreseeable future.
>
> Will Martin
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Will Martin]

Lots of good info here, thanks.


You don't say what this app is supposed to do, and that might
influence your decision.  [...] If you are going to provide
services that are on your website, it likely makes little sense
to build apps.


That's the idea: make our stuff available through phones. And I agree, 
an app makes little sense.  Sadly, it's not my choice to make -- that 
decision was made further up the chain of command, without consulting 
me.


Your website looks homegrown [...] you might consider Drupal or 
WordPress ...


Ye gods, I wish it were homegrown.  I'd have done a better job of it.  
Or rather, I'd have done it in Drupal, which I worked with for years at 
a different institution, including developing custom themes and modules. 
 Drupal's a solid system.  I miss it.


But no, we're stuck in a poor excuse for a CMS called "OmniUpdate", 
which is written in an unholy mixture of XSLT and Cold Fusion.  It was 
selected by the marketing department, is mandated across the campus, and 
makes my job way harder than it has to be.  OmniUpdate is damage to work 
around, not a system to work with.


I've done the best I can with it, but there are limits.  In theory, an 
OmniUpdate site can be made responsive -- but in this case, that means 
making the entire campus web infrastructure responsive, because we share 
a common template with the entire university.  That's a good idea which 
probably needs to happen, but also a MASSIVE undertaking -- largely 
because it rapidly gets into some fairly heated campus politics.


So in the meantime, I'm going to do research on this and put together a 
project prospectus laying out the possible approaches and challenges, to 
see if my bosses really want me to do this.  If the really do, it'll 
probably eat all of my time and then some for the foreseeable future.


Will Martin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Haitz, Lisa (haitzlm)]

I agree with some here, in the long term, a responsive site is the best bang 
for the buck. 

However, before our responsive site, we used Library Anywhere for our mobile 
app. By LibraryThing, it has customizations, both iOS and Android, and real 
time interaction with the catalog.
http://www.libanywhere.com/

We felt the price to be very reasonable.

Just my experience, not that one is better than another!

Lisa Haitz
UC Libraries 
University of Cincinnati


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Will 
Martin
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 2:51 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app for the 
library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the existing campus-wide 
app.  Could I pick the list's brains?

1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I going to 
be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and Windows phone?  I've 
dabbled in all kinds of things, but my bread-and-butter work has been PHP on a 
LAMP stack.  Apps aren't written in that, so new language time.

2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a Galaxy 
tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone is a 12-year-old 
flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with emulators?  What are some 
good ones?  The budget for the project is zero, so I don't think dedicated 
testing devices are in the cards unless I upgrade my own phone, which I 
probably ought to anyway.

3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were thinking the 
key functionality would be personal account management (what have I got checked 
out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab availability, search the catalog, and ask 
a librarian.  Anything missing?  Too much stuff?

Will Martin

Web Services Librarian
Chester Fritz Library

P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown up
-- only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather than the 
actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Cary Gordon]

You don't say what this app is supposed to do, and that might influence your 
decision.

If you are going to provide services that are on your website, it likely makes 
little sense to build apps. Your website looks homegrown, so you might want to 
consider using your resources to rebuild it in a CMS system, preferably free 
and open-source, and since you are comfortable with PHP and LAMP, you might 
consider Drupal or WordPress, both of which offer responsive themes and are 
supported in the library community.

Cary

On Oct 7, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Will Martin  wrote:

> My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app for the 
> library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the existing 
> campus-wide app.  Could I pick the list's brains?
> 
> 1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I going 
> to be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and Windows phone?  
> I've dabbled in all kinds of things, but my bread-and-butter work has been 
> PHP on a LAMP stack.  Apps aren't written in that, so new language time.
> 
> 2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a Galaxy 
> tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone is a 
> 12-year-old flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with emulators?  
> What are some good ones?  The budget for the project is zero, so I don't 
> think dedicated testing devices are in the cards unless I upgrade my own 
> phone, which I probably ought to anyway.
> 
> 3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were thinking the 
> key functionality would be personal account management (what have I got 
> checked out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab availability, search the 
> catalog, and ask a librarian.  Anything missing?  Too much stuff?
> 
> Will Martin
> 
> Web Services Librarian
> Chester Fritz Library
> 
> P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown up -- 
> only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather than the 
> actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Andrew Anderson]

Before launching into a native app, start with the functional requirements to 
see if what you want to accomplish could be done in a well designed mobile web 
site, or if you actually need the advanced features that native development 
would make available.

For example, there is a _lot_ that you can do in jQuery Mobile backed by a 
strong AJAX backend that looks like a native app, yet does not subject you to 
the stringent requirements of having to do multi-platform development and worry 
about submitting to multiple vendors for approval.  

There is already some support for media capture for photos/video/sound in HTML5 
on some devices that you can use for interactive experiences like snapping a 
photo, sending it to the server for processing, and having the server send back 
something relevant.  See 
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/getusermedia/intro/ for some information 
on what is possible currently, and then imagine what you could do with book 
covers, bar codes, maybe even tapping into the NFC chips in smartphones to 
tickle those RFID chips everyone is talking about this week.

As a data point, I have seen estimates that put mobile app development costs 
between $5,000 and $50,000, depending on their complexity, amount of UI/UX 
design and testing, graphics development, etc, so if you are operating without 
a budget and are having to scrounge for devices just to test with, a smart 
mobile web site may be a better starting point anyway.  It’s less of an 
unknown, using familiar tools, doesn’t require testing hardware, and doesn’t 
have an onerous vendor approval step to deal with.

-- 
Andrew Anderson, Director of Development, Library and Information Resources 
Network, Inc.
http://www.lirn.net/ | http://www.twitter.com/LIRNnotes | 
http://www.facebook.com/LIRNnotes

On Oct 7, 2014, at 14:51, Will Martin  wrote:

> My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app for the 
> library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the existing 
> campus-wide app.  Could I pick the list's brains?
> 
> 1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I going 
> to be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and Windows phone?  
> I've dabbled in all kinds of things, but my bread-and-butter work has been 
> PHP on a LAMP stack.  Apps aren't written in that, so new language time.
> 
> 2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a Galaxy 
> tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone is a 
> 12-year-old flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with emulators?  
> What are some good ones?  The budget for the project is zero, so I don't 
> think dedicated testing devices are in the cards unless I upgrade my own 
> phone, which I probably ought to anyway.
> 
> 3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were thinking the 
> key functionality would be personal account management (what have I got 
> checked out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab availability, search the 
> catalog, and ask a librarian.  Anything missing?  Too much stuff?
> 
> Will Martin
> 
> Web Services Librarian
> Chester Fritz Library
> 
> P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown up -- 
> only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather than the 
> actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Michael Schofield]

Heya,

Lots of good suggestions from everybody in the thread so far. Great resources. 
So, I am in the camp that's generally opposed to libraries going the native app 
route - unless they already have a solid mobile-first responsive website and 
blah blah blah. First thing's first.

I am going to self-plug, here, so--er--sorry. 

A few years ago I gave a talk on future friendly web design that was a direct 
response to the call to spin-up library apps - mostly for libraries with 
limited resources to spin-up library apps. It's a little dated, but you can 
find it here: http://talks.ns4lib.com/future-friendly/. The big tl;dr is a 
slide on Designing Ethically, which sez:

* Developing for specific platforms targets only the handful that own the 
device.
* Developing for enough platforms to be inclusive is costly.
* Designing for specific screens--for instance, a desktop website and a mobile 
website--will inevitably miss the mark.
* It is a disservice if a library pursues a web strategy that inevitably caters 
to less than the majority of its patrons
* It is wasteful if a library pursues a web strategy that requires substantial 
retrofitting or a redesign more than once a year.
* Seek ubiquity

Years later, Brian Pichman, Amanda Goodman, and I talk about web vs. native on 
the #libux podcast here: http://libux.co/005-web-vs-native-brian-pichman/

Michael


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 3:31 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

It's perhaps a little bit outdated by now, since things change so fast, but 
there is a Code4Lib Journal article on one library's approach a few years ago, 
which you may find useful.

http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/5014

And, actually, googling for that one, I found several other ones too on library 
app mobile development, which I haven't actually read myself yet:

http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/7336
http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/2055
http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/2947

On 10/7/14 2:51 PM, Will Martin wrote:
> My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app 
> for the library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the 
> existing campus-wide app.  Could I pick the list's brains?
>
> 1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I 
> going to be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and 
> Windows phone?  I've dabbled in all kinds of things, but my 
> bread-and-butter work has been PHP on a LAMP stack.  Apps aren't 
> written in that, so new language time.
>
> 2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a 
> Galaxy tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone 
> is a 12-year-old flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with 
> emulators?  What are some good ones?  The budget for the project is 
> zero, so I don't think dedicated testing devices are in the cards 
> unless I upgrade my own phone, which I probably ought to anyway.
>
> 3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were 
> thinking the key functionality would be personal account management 
> (what have I got checked out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab 
> availability, search the catalog, and ask a librarian.  Anything 
> missing?  Too much stuff?
>
> Will Martin
>
> Web Services Librarian
> Chester Fritz Library
>
> P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown 
> up
> -- only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather 
> than the actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!
>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Simon Brown]

for your question number 1 take a look at PhoneGap

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Will Martin  wrote:

> My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app for
> the library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the existing
> campus-wide app.  Could I pick the list's brains?
>
> 1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I
> going to be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and Windows
> phone?  I've dabbled in all kinds of things, but my bread-and-butter work
> has been PHP on a LAMP stack.  Apps aren't written in that, so new language
> time.
>
> 2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a
> Galaxy tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone is a
> 12-year-old flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with
> emulators?  What are some good ones?  The budget for the project is zero,
> so I don't think dedicated testing devices are in the cards unless I
> upgrade my own phone, which I probably ought to anyway.
>
> 3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were thinking
> the key functionality would be personal account management (what have I got
> checked out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab availability, search the
> catalog, and ask a librarian.  Anything missing?  Too much stuff?
>
> Will Martin
>
> Web Services Librarian
> Chester Fritz Library
>
> P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown up --
> only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather than the
> actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!
>



-- 
Simon Brown
simoncbr...@gmail.com
simoncharlesbrown (Skype)
831.440.7466 (Phone)

*Following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been -- MJK*

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Jonathan Rochkind]

It's perhaps a little bit outdated by now, since things change so fast, 
but there is a Code4Lib Journal article on one library's approach a few 
years ago, which you may find useful.


http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/5014

And, actually, googling for that one, I found several other ones too on 
library app mobile development, which I haven't actually read myself yet:


http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/7336
http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/2055
http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/2947

On 10/7/14 2:51 PM, Will Martin wrote:

My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app for
the library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the existing
campus-wide app.  Could I pick the list's brains?

1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I
going to be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and Windows
phone?  I've dabbled in all kinds of things, but my bread-and-butter
work has been PHP on a LAMP stack.  Apps aren't written in that, so new
language time.

2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a
Galaxy tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone is
a 12-year-old flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with
emulators?  What are some good ones?  The budget for the project is
zero, so I don't think dedicated testing devices are in the cards unless
I upgrade my own phone, which I probably ought to anyway.

3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were
thinking the key functionality would be personal account management
(what have I got checked out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab
availability, search the catalog, and ask a librarian.  Anything
missing?  Too much stuff?

Will Martin

Web Services Librarian
Chester Fritz Library

P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown up
-- only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather than
the actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Genny Engel]

This is disturbing to me.  I thought we had agreed not to mention the C4L 
Illuminati.




-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Maura 
Carbone
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:54 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android 
and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

I feel like someone needs to design a C4L Illuminati t-shirt for C4L 2015.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> C4l illuminati, I like it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cornel Darden Jr.
> MSLIS
> Library Department Chair
> South Suburban College
> 7087052945
>
> "Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong
> learning."
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Cary Gordon  wrote:
> >
> > I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are
> > involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the
> > most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati
> > society that controls everything.
> >
> > Cary
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Salazar, Christina 
> > Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC –
> how
> > should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> > To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
> >
> >
> > OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a "formalized c4l"
> > AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too.
> >
> > I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in
> > standards making bodies.
> >
> > And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in
> > standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on
> > the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this
> > conversation is happening with American standards making bodies?
> >
> > Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in
> > standards making bodies?
> >
> > Christina
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Francis Kayiwa
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM
> > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC –
> how
> > should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> >
> > On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  NISO (and LITA, ASIS&T,
> >> etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe
> >> that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we
> > have already.
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
> > ./fxk
> >
> >
> > --
> > You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cary Gordon
> > The Cherry Hill Company
> > http://chillco.com
>



-- 
Maura Carbone
Digital Initiatives Librarian
Brandeis University
Library and Technology Services
(781) 736-4659
415 South Street, (MS 017/P.O. Box 549110)
Waltham, MA 02454-9110
email: mau...@brandeis.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Eric Phetteplace]

I can't answer all those questions but a couple useful links:

WeaveUX just published a column on "Launching a Native App" for libraries
which is probably pertinent.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/w/weave/12535642.0001.104?view=text;rgn=main

While you typically do have to use different SDKs and languages for each
major platform, there are projects which use HTML5 and native WebViews to
target multiple operating systems. Cordova being the underlying tool but
Ionic a more robust framework with UI widgets included.
http://ionicframework.com/ There are several of these frameworks, Ionic's
just the one I've heard of lately. There was a JavaScript Jabber podcast on
it recently.
http://javascriptjabber.com/126-jsj-the-ionic-framework-with-max-lynch-and-tyler-renelle/

Best,
Eric

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Will Martin  wrote:

> My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app for
> the library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the existing
> campus-wide app.  Could I pick the list's brains?
>
> 1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I
> going to be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and Windows
> phone?  I've dabbled in all kinds of things, but my bread-and-butter work
> has been PHP on a LAMP stack.  Apps aren't written in that, so new language
> time.
>
> 2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a
> Galaxy tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone is a
> 12-year-old flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with
> emulators?  What are some good ones?  The budget for the project is zero,
> so I don't think dedicated testing devices are in the cards unless I
> upgrade my own phone, which I probably ought to anyway.
>
> 3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were thinking
> the key functionality would be personal account management (what have I got
> checked out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab availability, search the
> catalog, and ask a librarian.  Anything missing?  Too much stuff?
>
> Will Martin
>
> Web Services Librarian
> Chester Fritz Library
>
> P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown up --
> only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather than the
> actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Maura Carbone]

I feel like someone needs to design a C4L Illuminati t-shirt for C4L 2015.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> C4l illuminati, I like it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cornel Darden Jr.
> MSLIS
> Library Department Chair
> South Suburban College
> 7087052945
>
> "Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong
> learning."
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Cary Gordon  wrote:
> >
> > I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are
> > involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the
> > most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati
> > society that controls everything.
> >
> > Cary
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Salazar, Christina 
> > Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC –
> how
> > should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> > To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
> >
> >
> > OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a "formalized c4l"
> > AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too.
> >
> > I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in
> > standards making bodies.
> >
> > And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in
> > standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on
> > the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this
> > conversation is happening with American standards making bodies?
> >
> > Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in
> > standards making bodies?
> >
> > Christina
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Francis Kayiwa
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM
> > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC –
> how
> > should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> >
> > On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  NISO (and LITA, ASIS&T,
> >> etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe
> >> that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we
> > have already.
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
> > ./fxk
> >
> >
> > --
> > You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cary Gordon
> > The Cherry Hill Company
> > http://chillco.com
>



-- 
Maura Carbone
Digital Initiatives Librarian
Brandeis University
Library and Technology Services
(781) 736-4659
415 South Street, (MS 017/P.O. Box 549110)
Waltham, MA 02454-9110
email: mau...@brandeis.edu

[CODE4LIB] Library app basics

[Will Martin]

My boss has directed me to start looking into producing a phone app for 
the library, or better yet finding a way to integrate with the existing 
campus-wide app.  Could I pick the list's brains?


1) Is there some tolerably decent cross-platform app language, or am I 
going to be learning 3 different languages for iOS, Android, and Windows 
phone?  I've dabbled in all kinds of things, but my bread-and-butter 
work has been PHP on a LAMP stack.  Apps aren't written in that, so new 
language time.


2) The library's selection of mobile devices consists of 2 iPads and a 
Galaxy tablet.  We don't have phones for testing.  My personal phone is 
a 12-year-old flip phone which doesn't run apps.  Can I get by with 
emulators?  What are some good ones?  The budget for the project is 
zero, so I don't think dedicated testing devices are in the cards unless 
I upgrade my own phone, which I probably ought to anyway.


3) What are some best practices for library app design?  We were 
thinking the key functionality would be personal account management 
(what have I got checked out, renew my stuff, etc), hours, lab 
availability, search the catalog, and ask a librarian.  Anything 
missing?  Too much stuff?


Will Martin

Web Services Librarian
Chester Fritz Library

P.S.  I sent this a couple days ago and wondered why it hadn't shown up 
-- only to realize I accidently sent it to j...@code4lib.org rather than 
the actual list serv address.  Whoops, embarrassing!

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Cornel Darden Jr.]

Hello, 

C4l illuminati, I like it!

Thanks,

Cornel Darden Jr.  
MSLIS
Library Department Chair
South Suburban College
7087052945

"Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong 
learning."

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Cary Gordon  wrote:
> 
> I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are
> involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the
> most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati
> society that controls everything.
> 
> Cary
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Salazar, Christina 
> Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how
> should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
> 
> 
> OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a "formalized c4l"
> AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too.
> 
> I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in
> standards making bodies.
> 
> And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in
> standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on
> the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this
> conversation is happening with American standards making bodies?
> 
> Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in
> standards making bodies?
> 
> Christina
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Francis Kayiwa
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how
> should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> 
> On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  NISO (and LITA, ASIS&T,
>> etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe
>> that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we
> have already.
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> ./fxk
> 
> 
> --
> You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cary Gordon
> The Cherry Hill Company
> http://chillco.com

[CODE4LIB] Fwd: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Cary Gordon]

I mean that there are plenty of individuals on the c4l list who are
involved at various levels with various standards bodies, NISO being the
most well represented. I was not referring to the shadowy c4l illuminati
society that controls everything.

Cary

-- Forwarded message --
From: Salazar, Christina 
Date: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how
should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu


OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a "formalized c4l"
AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too.

I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in
standards making bodies.

And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in
standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on
the RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this
conversation is happening with American standards making bodies?

Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in
standards making bodies?

Christina

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Francis Kayiwa
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how
should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:



  NISO (and LITA, ASIS&T,
> etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe
> that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we
have already.

+1


./fxk


--
You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Salazar, Christina]

OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a "formalized c4l" AGAIN 
- we've been there done that, relatively recently too.

I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in 
standards making bodies.

And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in 
standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the 
RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this conversation 
is happening with American standards making bodies?

Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in standards 
making bodies?

Christina

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis 
Kayiwa
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how 
should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:



  NISO (and LITA, ASIS&T,
> etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe 
> that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have 
> already.

+1


./fxk


--
You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Kyle Banerjee]

>
> I think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a
> professional organization for librarians that code. These talks of
> standards and guidelines may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome
> as well! But is there not a need for something else?
>

Aside from the library specific organizations mentioned already, there are
plenty of professional organizations for librarians who code. I'm partial
to ACM, but IEEE is another obvious choice and there are others.  Mixing it
up with people who come from different backgrounds and do different things
is fun, exposes you to more stuff, and prevents intellectual inbreeding.

Don't discount local groups. They're normally less specialized, but face
time helps you make connections between people, systems, methods, etc that
you otherwise wouldn't.

kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[todd.d.robb...@gmail.com]

Of interest to the initial discussion topic:

http://google.github.io/physical-web/

What is this?
>
> The Physical Web is an approach to unleash the core superpower of the web:
> interaction on demand. People should be able to walk up to any smart device
> - a vending machine, a poster, a toy, a bus stop, a rental car - and not
> have to download an app first. Everything should be just a tap away.
>
> The Physical Web is not shipping yet nor is it a Google product. This is
> an early-stage experimental project and we're developing it out in the open
> as we do all things related to the web. This should only be of interest to
> developers looking to test out this feature and provide us feedback.
>


-- 
Tod Robbins
Digital Asset Manager, MLIS
todrobbins.com | @todrobbins 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Francis Kayiwa]

On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:



 NISO (and LITA, ASIS&T,

etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a
formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already.


+1


./fxk


--
You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Cary Gordon]

The has been little interest in formalizing c4l, and many folks believe
that our strength is in our ad hoc-ness.

I generally resist getting involved in discussions of standards, because
while I am a strong advocate for standards, I have been a member of NISO,
invested a lot of time in a couple standards, and I have seen how the
sausage is made, or more aptly, fails to get made. NISO (and LITA, ASIS&T,
etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe that a
formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have already.

As to the original reference, suffice it to say that I believe BISG — the
US counterpart to BIC — sees libraries as competition and will not do
anything to help them.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Cornel Darden Jr.  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I think code4lib is awesome and I've seen threads on this list before that
> discussed whether code4lib should become a more traditional organization. I
> think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a
> professional organization for librarians that code. These talks of
> standards and guidelines may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome
> as well! But is there not a need for something else?
>
> As far as print books go, they are much too slow and don't functionally
> meet modern information needs, at least not in their current form (internet
> of things?) Maybe a little AR would help. The DRM, publishing, software,
> and standards issues are inhibitors, but I think the ship has sailed on the
> millions of non connected print books in academic library shelves.  I
> wouldn't get rid of them. But their days are numbered. I think print books
> are a niche and if we don't provide then we would lose an important part of
> culture. But I do wonder, how many open stacks have clay tablets and
> scrolls? Personally, I wish they did. But I wouldnt recommend that they be
> used to do serious work.
>
> Cornel Darden Jr.
> MSLIS
> Library Department Chair
> South Suburban College
> 7087052945
>
> "Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong
> learning."
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Salazar, Christina <
> christina.sala...@csuci.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I love C4L too, but
> >
> > Can/does C4L have players on NISO for example - what is C4L involvement
> in standards? Should/could C4L be involved in standards? (And probably
> tangentially, is C4L a professional organization?)
> >
> > Wow, this is turning into another iteration of the "library community
> web standards" thread from last week, isn't it?
> >
> > But man, I think we're losing so many opportunities to have a voice in
> the development of technologies that could be useful to us and our users.
> >
> > Christina
> > PS, just to throw this back in response: I disagree that "current print
> books in academic libraries aren't conducive to student learning" - they're
> just more one tool in the research tool kit, aren't they and would they get
> used more often if librarians made them easier to use?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Cary Gordon
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:53 AM
> > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC –
> how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> >
> > This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion.
> >
> > Cary Gordon, MLS
> >
> > On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a professional organization for librarians who code?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cary Gordon
> > The Cherry Hill Company
> > http://chillco.com
>



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Cornel Darden Jr.]

Hello,

I think code4lib is awesome and I've seen threads on this list before that 
discussed whether code4lib should become a more traditional organization. I 
think code4 lib is fine as it is, but I think we definitely need a professional 
organization for librarians that code. These talks of standards and guidelines 
may reflect such a need. I think LITA is awesome as well! But is there not a 
need for something else?

As far as print books go, they are much too slow and don't functionally meet 
modern information needs, at least not in their current form (internet of 
things?) Maybe a little AR would help. The DRM, publishing, software, and 
standards issues are inhibitors, but I think the ship has sailed on the 
millions of non connected print books in academic library shelves.  I wouldn't 
get rid of them. But their days are numbered. I think print books are a niche 
and if we don't provide then we would lose an important part of culture. But I 
do wonder, how many open stacks have clay tablets and scrolls? Personally, I 
wish they did. But I wouldnt recommend that they be used to do serious work. 

Cornel Darden Jr.  
MSLIS
Library Department Chair
South Suburban College
7087052945

"Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong 
learning."

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Salazar, Christina  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I love C4L too, but
> 
> Can/does C4L have players on NISO for example - what is C4L involvement in 
> standards? Should/could C4L be involved in standards? (And probably 
> tangentially, is C4L a professional organization?)
> 
> Wow, this is turning into another iteration of the "library community web 
> standards" thread from last week, isn't it?
> 
> But man, I think we're losing so many opportunities to have a voice in the 
> development of technologies that could be useful to us and our users.
> 
> Christina
> PS, just to throw this back in response: I disagree that "current print books 
> in academic libraries aren't conducive to student learning" - they're just 
> more one tool in the research tool kit, aren't they and would they get used 
> more often if librarians made them easier to use?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary 
> Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:53 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how 
> should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
> 
> This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion.
> 
> Cary Gordon, MLS
> 
> On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is there a professional organization for librarians who code?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cary Gordon
> The Cherry Hill Company
> http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Salazar, Christina]

Yes, I love C4L too, but

Can/does C4L have players on NISO for example - what is C4L involvement in 
standards? Should/could C4L be involved in standards? (And probably 
tangentially, is C4L a professional organization?)

Wow, this is turning into another iteration of the "library community web 
standards" thread from last week, isn't it?

But man, I think we're losing so many opportunities to have a voice in the 
development of technologies that could be useful to us and our users.

Christina
PS, just to throw this back in response: I disagree that "current print books 
in academic libraries aren't conducive to student learning" - they're just more 
one tool in the research tool kit, aren't they and would they get used more 
often if librarians made them easier to use?

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cary 
Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:53 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how 
should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion.

Cary Gordon, MLS

On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. 
wrote:
>
>
> Is there a professional organization for librarians who code?
>


-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Cary Gordon]

This is as good as it gets, which is pretty good in my opinion.

Cary Gordon, MLS

On Monday, October 6, 2014, Cornel Darden Jr. 
wrote:
>
>
> Is there a professional organization for librarians who code?
>


-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com