Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Jonathan, I'll check this out this morning. Don Hamparian OCLC On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I _believe_ that the OCLC FirstSearch shibboleth server is still down, for anyone who tries to send their users to FirstSearch via Shibboleth. Simon Spero wrote: At least it wasn't a totally transparent UPS test scheduled for the Thursday of Thanksgiving weekend. My personal philosophy is that every rack should have its own UPS separate from the data center one, with enough capacity to keep going through blips,and handle a clean shutdown if necessary. That way, when the ops team messes up, far fewer sysadmins get their weekend ruined. Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. If carbon emissions should turn out to be a strong forcer of global warming, then we can clearly say that every time you write PHP, Phil Jones kills a polar bear. Please, think of the polar bears. Simon
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Jonathan and others who use Shibboleth access to First Search - access looks up and normal so if anyone has any problems - email us at shibbol...@oclc.org. Don On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Don Hamparian don.hampar...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, I'll check this out this morning. Don Hamparian OCLC On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I _believe_ that the OCLC FirstSearch shibboleth server is still down, for anyone who tries to send their users to FirstSearch via Shibboleth. Simon Spero wrote: At least it wasn't a totally transparent UPS test scheduled for the Thursday of Thanksgiving weekend. My personal philosophy is that every rack should have its own UPS separate from the data center one, with enough capacity to keep going through blips,and handle a clean shutdown if necessary. That way, when the ops team messes up, far fewer sysadmins get their weekend ruined. Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. If carbon emissions should turn out to be a strong forcer of global warming, then we can clearly say that every time you write PHP, Phil Jones kills a polar bear. Please, think of the polar bears. Simon
[CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Since this topic came up on the list yesterday, here is an official update. Roy Service outage update On Sunday, May 9, the primary OCLC data center in Dublin lost power during required internal facilities maintenance activity. OCLC staff worked diligently to restore services as quickly as possible. All systems are fully recovered and operational. OCLC schedules maintenance activities at typically low usage times. We regret any interruption of service, and apologize for any inconvenience to our users. We are confident that we have put in place systems that address these issues for services today, and we continue to build on those systems to plan for the future. Additionally, in July, OCLC will implement the use of its secondary data center for active/passive service configurations, which can fail-over and back in minutes with minimal manual intervention. In the future, we will be able to use the secondary data center for active/active service configurations, where services are load balanced in both data centers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
At least it wasn't a totally transparent UPS test scheduled for the Thursday of Thanksgiving weekend. My personal philosophy is that every rack should have its own UPS separate from the data center one, with enough capacity to keep going through blips,and handle a clean shutdown if necessary. That way, when the ops team messes up, far fewer sysadmins get their weekend ruined. Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. If carbon emissions should turn out to be a strong forcer of global warming, then we can clearly say that every time you write PHP, Phil Jones kills a polar bear. Please, think of the polar bears. Simon
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Or be like Google, give up on UPSs, and just attached a battery to the DC side of each server's power supply. http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/04/the-beast-unveiled-inside-a-google-server.ars On May 10, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Simon Spero wrote: At least it wasn't a totally transparent UPS test scheduled for the Thursday of Thanksgiving weekend. My personal philosophy is that every rack should have its own UPS separate from the data center one, with enough capacity to keep going through blips,and handle a clean shutdown if necessary. That way, when the ops team messes up, far fewer sysadmins get their weekend ruined. Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. If carbon emissions should turn out to be a strong forcer of global warming, then we can clearly say that every time you write PHP, Phil Jones kills a polar bear. Please, think of the polar bears. Simon
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
I _believe_ that the OCLC FirstSearch shibboleth server is still down, for anyone who tries to send their users to FirstSearch via Shibboleth. Simon Spero wrote: At least it wasn't a totally transparent UPS test scheduled for the Thursday of Thanksgiving weekend. My personal philosophy is that every rack should have its own UPS separate from the data center one, with enough capacity to keep going through blips,and handle a clean shutdown if necessary. That way, when the ops team messes up, far fewer sysadmins get their weekend ruined. Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. If carbon emissions should turn out to be a strong forcer of global warming, then we can clearly say that every time you write PHP, Phil Jones kills a polar bear. Please, think of the polar bears. Simon
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
The unix hackers at the Technion did that to the Vaxen 11/7XXes; didn't trust the walk-in UPS, because the mainframe and Vax 9000 would drain it to the dregs. Couldn't do the same thing for the Sun 4/XXX because no source license. Up hill, both ways, in the sand. Simon On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Casey Bisson cbis...@plymouth.edu wrote: Or be like Google, give up on UPSs, and just attached a battery to the DC side of each server's power supply. http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/04/the-beast-unveiled-inside-a-google-server.ars On May 10, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Simon Spero wrote: At least it wasn't a totally transparent UPS test scheduled for the Thursday of Thanksgiving weekend. My personal philosophy is that every rack should have its own UPS separate from the data center one, with enough capacity to keep going through blips,and handle a clean shutdown if necessary. That way, when the ops team messes up, far fewer sysadmins get their weekend ruined. Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. If carbon emissions should turn out to be a strong forcer of global warming, then we can clearly say that every time you write PHP, Phil Jones kills a polar bear. Please, think of the polar bears. Simon
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I _believe_ that the OCLC FirstSearch shibboleth server is still down, for anyone who tries to send their users to FirstSearch via Shibboleth Are you sure you're saying it right? Simon
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Simon Spero wrote: Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. No, the real problem is with trolls sending flamebait. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates http://www.nzetc.org/ New Zealand Electronic Text Centre http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/ Institutional Repository
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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 06:59, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: No, the real problem is with trolls sending flamebait. Friggin' AMEEN! Alex -- Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps --- http://shelter.nu/blog/ -- -- http://www.google.com/profiles/alexander.johannesen ---
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Writing code in energy efficient languages is the funniest thing I've heard in a while. It ranks up there with setting my desktop wallpaper to black because it uses less energy. More servers are required because more people are writing webapps because Ruby and PHP make it easier for more people to do it. Is there even a C webapp framework available? -A On 2010-05-10, at 16:59, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: Simon Spero wrote: Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. No, the real problem is with trolls sending flamebait. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates http://www.nzetc.org/ New Zealand Electronic Text Centre http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/ Institutional Repository
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
... people took Simon's comment seriously? C'mon, failsters. Stop making it so easy. -Mike On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 18:49, Andrew Hankinson andrew.hankin...@gmail.com wrote: Writing code in energy efficient languages is the funniest thing I've heard in a while. It ranks up there with setting my desktop wallpaper to black because it uses less energy. More servers are required because more people are writing webapps because Ruby and PHP make it easier for more people to do it. Is there even a C webapp framework available? -A On 2010-05-10, at 16:59, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: Simon Spero wrote: Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. No, the real problem is with trolls sending flamebait. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates http://www.nzetc.org/ New Zealand Electronic Text Centre http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/ Institutional Repository
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: ... people took Simon's comment seriously? Language is a funny thing ; some times the things that are being said is taken seriously. And the script-haters are spread far and wide, so there was no reason not to take him seriously. Should the default be not to take anyone seriously? Srsly? Alex -- Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps --- http://shelter.nu/blog/ -- -- http://www.google.com/profiles/alexander.johannesen ---
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
Is there even a C webapp framework available? C is for wussy. Real hombres only need assembly.
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
That had occurred to me. However, they tend not to participate in p*ssing contests (i.e. they're less inclined to do dumb things than guys) so they weren't listed. But this is a big tent where all are welcome :) On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Lynne Lysiak lysia...@appstate.edu wrote: ahem, y mujeres sir!! - Original Message - From: Kyle Banerjee baner...@uoregon.edu Date: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Is there even a C webapp framework available? C is for wussy. Real hombres only need assembly. -- -- Kyle Banerjee Digital Services Program Manager Orbis Cascade Alliance baner...@uoregon.edu / 503.999.9787
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On 11 May 2010 14:19, Kyle Banerjee baner...@uoregon.edu wrote: That had occurred to me. However, they tend not to participate in p*ssing contests (i.e. they're less inclined to do dumb things than guys) so they weren't listed. Oh wow, want a shovel to help dig you out of the gross generalisations hole? Chris But this is a big tent where all are welcome :) On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Lynne Lysiak lysia...@appstate.edu wrote: ahem, y mujeres sir!! - Original Message - From: Kyle Banerjee baner...@uoregon.edu Date: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Is there even a C webapp framework available? C is for wussy. Real hombres only need assembly. -- -- Kyle Banerjee Digital Services Program Manager Orbis Cascade Alliance baner...@uoregon.edu / 503.999.9787
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Oh wow, want a shovel to help dig you out of the gross generalisations hole? Nah -- I'm totally secure in my idiocy. If I really step in it, I'll get loads of hate mail. If I'm really unlucky and it takes on a life of it's own, I may even be forced to issue a groveling public apology. Been there done that ;) kyle Note to self: Never make light of important technical discussions. Also change wallpaper to black
Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update
After poking around, it seems that there is: Wt (http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt). After looking through the source of the Hello World example[1], I'm not sure why anyone would go through the trouble, but then again, I feel that way about a lot of lower-level compiled languages. -Sean [1] http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt#/src/hello From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Hankinson [andrew.hankin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:49 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update Is there even a C webapp framework available? -A On 2010-05-10, at 16:59, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: Simon Spero wrote: Of course, the real problem is that too many people are writing unoptimized code in energy-inefficient languages like ruby and PHP, which require far more servers, and far more cooling, to do the same work as properly written code. No, the real problem is with trolls sending flamebait. cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates http://www.nzetc.org/ New Zealand Electronic Text Centre http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/ Institutional Repository
