[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project commons-discovery (in module jakarta-commons) failed

2005-06-07 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery has an issue affecting its community integration. This issue

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Project commons-discovery (in module jakarta-commons) failed

2005-06-07 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery has an issue affecting its community integration. This issue

Re: [VOTE] [logging] promote RC1 to alpha status

2005-02-28 Thread Richard Sitze
+1 *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/26/2005 01:41:05 PM: the release candidate has been available for a while now and i am not aware of any problems with it. the next stage

Re: [logging] discovery error handling

2005-02-14 Thread Richard Sitze
It means a fix will be made available as part of the next phase. ras *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/14/2005 06:20:14 AM: At 05:59 PM 2/13/2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: Anyway,

Re: [logging] discovery error handling

2005-02-08 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/08/2005 04:25:57 PM: one of the drawbacks about JCL 1.0.x is the approach to handling errors in the configuration and discovery mechanism. JCL falls down and (in most commons use cases) takes the application with it. it also fails to

Re: [logging] Identify Class Loader Problems

2005-02-07 Thread Richard Sitze
Oh for better diagramming facilities in mail :-) *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/07/2005 11:17:36 AM: On 2005-01-27 22:52:02, Richard Sitze wrote: Richard, Sorry

Re: JCL problems

2005-02-07 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/07/2005 01:32:26 PM: snip The idea of having separate jar files has been floated about for a few years, for various reasons. I believe it's only recently been associated with the idea that such would help alleviate classloader problems in the

Re: [logging] releasing log4j resources

2005-02-07 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/07/2005 02:45:28 PM: certainly the web application deployer should know :) IIRC it should be possible to tap into lifecycle events and perform the shutdown by creating a small amount of code external to the actual application. anyone

Re: [logging] 1.0.5 release: plan update and bug review

2005-02-07 Thread Richard Sitze
Just for the record, might as well get this out now :-) I'm going to take a fairly STRONG position against fixing discovery in a 1.0.6 if that is the ONLY change going in. Why? - The fix I envision will necessitate backwards incompatible behavior in a standalone commons-logging.jar file.

Re: [logging] Identify Class Loader Problems

2005-02-01 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/01/2005 01:55:13 PM: On 2005-01-27 22:52:02, Richard Sitze wrote: A. Parent / Child ClassLoaders, General - commons-logging.jar#org.apache.commons.logging.Log is loaded/loadable by Parent. - Child is the thread context

Re: [logging] history lessons revisited

2005-02-01 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/30/2005 04:09:54 PM: On 28 Jan 2005, at 20:15, Richard Sitze wrote: [re-send.. I don't see this picked up... hmmm] Once, a long long time ago... someone wrote: The problem: it won't work if commons-logging.jar is installed

[logging] Identify Class Loader Problems

2005-01-28 Thread Richard Sitze
[re-send.. I don't see this picked up... hmmm] I'd like to begin to identify the ClassLoader problems with the current JCL discovery mechanism. If you are aware of additional issues, please respond and let's get them all out on the table. I believe the following two scenarios summarize the

[logging] Identify Class Loader Problems

2005-01-27 Thread Richard Sitze
I'd like to begin to identify the ClassLoader problems with the current JCL discovery mechanism. If you are aware of additional issues, please respond and let's get them all out on the table. I believe the following two scenarios summarize the specific issues, as well as more general problems.

[logging] history lessons revisited

2005-01-27 Thread Richard Sitze
Once, a long long time ago... someone wrote: The problem: it won't work if commons-logging.jar is installed in the parent class loader, and log4j.jar ( or another logger ) is installed in a child loader ( like WEB-INF/lib ). What happens: - the factory uses the thread class loader to check

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2005-01-26 Thread Richard Sitze
Well I've had a few days to cool off, and my head feels better too. I acknowledge that there are problems with the discovery process in JCL. We aim to fix that, it is one of the tenants of what is being proposed for JCL version 'next'. I wish it were as simple to resolve these issues in the

Re: [logging] API - methods for logging entry and exit events

2005-01-25 Thread Richard Sitze
Phil Steitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/24/2005 05:25:09 PM: snip/ While I agree with everything that you have said about indiscriminate logging, I think you are missing Richard's point here. In some environments, this sort of ad hoc change is not allowed or cannot be executed quickly

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2005-01-25 Thread Richard Sitze
is a good thing; my projects will ship w/ Log4j instead and ugli. One less jar is good. .V Matt Sgarlata wrote: Richard Sitze wrote: news [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/21/2004 08:04:09 AM: +1, I agree with you and Ceki. TRACE is debatable (I personally like it), more than TRACE

Re: [logging] API - methods for logging entry and exit events

2005-01-24 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/24/2005 11:06:21 AM: Richard Sitze wrote on 2005-01-21 20:07:49: The purpose of logging is to capture enough state of a system, so that when you identify *where* the error occurs in the logs, you have information that can help you identify

Re: [logging] API - methods for logging entry and exit events

2005-01-21 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/21/2005 01:45:46 PM: Logging too much can be as bad as the absence of logging. Cluttering the log output with entry and exit events will increase the amount of noise and negatively impact the usefulness of the logs. Consequenly, logging enter and

Re: [logging] API - methods for logging entry and exit events

2005-01-19 Thread Richard Sitze
Eclipse makes search/replace of strings during refactoring optional. It's certainly easy enough to manage there. Emmanuel Bourg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/19/2005 06:22:29 AM: Tomas Znamenacek wrote: 1. Refactoring a method containing calls to log.enter() and log.exit(), with

Re: [logging] API - methods for logging entry and exit events

2005-01-19 Thread Richard Sitze
Emmanuel Bourg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/19/2005 06:16:35 AM: 9. Logging entry/exit event is not so common and I'd better write directly: log.debug(Entering MyClass.foo( + param1 + , + param2 + )); rather than log.enter(this, foo, new Object[] { param1, param2 }, Entering);

Re: [logging] API - methods for logging entry and exit events

2005-01-19 Thread Richard Sitze
Emmanuel Bourg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/19/2005 06:16:35 AM: 9. Logging entry/exit event is not so common and I'd better write directly: log.debug(Entering MyClass.foo( + param1 + , + param2 + )); rather than log.enter(this, foo, new Object[] { param1, param2 }, Entering);

Re: [logging][PROPOSAL] 1.0.5 release

2005-01-19 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/19/2005 04:49:09 PM: IMO the first step before any work can begin on any improvements is to release the current code (this contains an important enhancement improving memory release in the 1.0.x series of releases). therefore, i propose

Re: commons-logging auto-detection

2005-01-04 Thread Richard Sitze
Paul Libbrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/04/2005 03:26:00 AM: Hi, This may be related but I was fighting recently with embedding Jelly within jEdit which, of course, has its own class-loading mechanism because of plugins. I simply did not manage to have jelly:log messages directed to

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-28 Thread Richard Sitze
news [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 06:40:16 PM: I think often JCL will be used as you describe, but not always. Not always is of less concern. Matt, the PRIMARY focus of JCL is as Ceki described. There are no if/ands/buts about it. If you choose to use it in any other fashion, you

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-28 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 05:31:23 PM: At 2004-12-16 16:51:31, Richard Sitze wrote: I do not advocate a fail-on-no-config or fail-on-ambiguous-config. I advocate a *warn* or *error* on either, using the simple default logger. The warning will be visible

RE: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 05:49:45 AM: At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL discovery mechanism correctly, it actually should work just fine in the scenario you describe above. For it to work, you would not set the

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Richard Sitze
Henning P. Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 02:57:45 AM: Charles Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:24 AM To: commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Subject:

Re: commons-logging auto-detection WAS: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-27 Thread Richard Sitze
Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 01:07:28 PM: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:41:56 -0600, Richard Sitze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/27/2004 05:49:45 AM: At 03:05 AM 12/27/2004, Charles Daniels wrote: If I understand the JCL

Re: [logging] ECL: Log interface vs. abstract class

2004-12-26 Thread Richard Sitze
Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/25/2004 06:25:51 PM: On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 18:28 +0100, Ceki Gülcü wrote: In my last message, I failed to emphasize the brittleness of the break into interfaces hypothesis. Even if at a high-level of abstraction two APIs perform

Re: [OT][logging] politics [WAS Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?]

2004-12-22 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/22/2004 04:53:49 AM: snip/ JCL shows indications of mission creep. I believe this to be a factual observation independent of ASF representation. Just to help clarify your concern, would you please define mission creep. (conversely, if you do think

Re: [logging] ECL: pluggable message resolution

2004-12-21 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/20/2004 02:51:17 PM: snip/ ... how do you propose to reconcile this pluggable mechanism with the underlying logger that DOES accept MSGID and Object[] directly? I'm of the opinion that IF a reasonable proposal can be produced, then

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-21 Thread Richard Sitze
[mutters something about keeping OUR troups in line..] robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/20/2004 04:03:28 PM: On 18 Dec 2004, at 20:52, Curt Arnold wrote: On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Richard Sitze wrote: snip That a single log request can be rendered for more than

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-21 Thread Richard Sitze
news [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/21/2004 08:04:09 AM: robert burrell donkin wrote: On 18 Dec 2004, at 23:07, Scott Deboy wrote: Enter and exit should not be defined as severities. This is useful information, but orthogonal to a logging event's severity attribute. Good point. I

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-21 Thread Richard Sitze
, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Richard Sitze wrote: snip We ARE assuming that maintaining SOME SIGNIFICANT compatibility with the existing JCL is of paramount importance. We are NOT trying to standardize on some other API within the industry, but rather to evolve an existing standard

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-21 Thread Richard Sitze
news [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/21/2004 02:01:07 PM: snip/ And yes, I'm leaning towards EXPLICITLY naming methods to encourage best practices. To use the distinction made by Curt, I'm pushing the trace level methods towards diagnostic logger function, and stepping away from

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-19 Thread Richard Sitze
Curt Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/18/2004 02:52:02 PM: On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:24 PM, Richard Sitze wrote: As you pointed out earlier, much of this depends on how the logger is used. Class category names for code logging, other application category logger names for the other

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-19 Thread Richard Sitze
Curt Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/18/2004 03:19:41 PM: On Dec 18, 2004, at 2:18 PM, Richard Sitze wrote: +1. Just because the JDK 1.4 log does this, doesn't mean that we have to enforce this behavior on all logging implementations. Why not just leave it generic

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-18 Thread Richard Sitze
Curt Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/16/2004 11:13:25 PM: On Dec 16, 2004, at 7:56 PM, Richard Sitze wrote: Good comments, thanks. Curt Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/16/2004 05:34:58 PM: Sorry to come in on this late. I just read the archives after Ceki posted

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-18 Thread Richard Sitze
Excellent! Chris Lambrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/17/2004 04:32:28 PM: Someone suggested that for Log, it would be appropriate to make it an abstract class rather than an interface, so we can make these kinds of changes easier in the future. I think the risks for this are low, and

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-18 Thread Richard Sitze
While acknowledging that while we all orbit the same sun, we also stand in different time zones and see it differently... :-) news [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/18/2004 10:44:11 AM: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Simon Kitching wrote: I've been convinced by the arguments put forward in this thread

RE: [logging] ECL: pluggable message resolution

2004-12-18 Thread Richard Sitze
[forgive me for changing the subject, I'm trying to take steps to try to help us focus on separate issues] Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/17/2004 09:10:34 PM: Richard Sitze wrote: As a real example, the axis community uses globalized messages. A lot of products do, as I

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-18 Thread Richard Sitze
Developers of open source components that are expected to be plugged into different projects simply cannot and should not assume that Log4J, JSR-47, Avalon, or any other logger IS present. This may severely limit the logging capabilities that may be used by such components. This is the price

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-16 Thread Richard Sitze
*** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/15/2004 06:23:35 PM: On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 10:21, Richard Sitze wrote: Henning P. Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/15/2004 ...byte

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-16 Thread Richard Sitze
Just for the record, the primary issue is NOT inability to locate a logger. It's not finding the expected logger [from the developer/users perspective], and silently falling back to an alternate logger. *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-16 Thread Richard Sitze
David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/16/2004 11:47:46 AM: snip/ The current proposal is: - configuration is always manditory. Doesn't mandatory configuration relieve us from needing to split commons-logging.jar into several pieces? I like the fact that I don't have to

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-16 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/16/2004 04:38:34 PM: snip/ I think this demonstrates a major issue. When using logging in an enterprise situation, the logging can be considered a critical part of the application. If you have heavy-duty monitoring systems watching

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-16 Thread Richard Sitze
Good comments, thanks. Curt Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/16/2004 05:34:58 PM: Sorry to come in on this late. I just read the archives after Ceki posted a link on log4j-dev. First, I agree Enterprise is a poor name. I tend to think in terms of Ok.. let me make a few points: -

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-15 Thread Richard Sitze
Glad you made it Robert, was starting to feel that this was getting snubbed by the core logging advocates ;-)! robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/15/2004 01:39:12 PM: On 10 Dec 2004, at 00:40, David Graham wrote: --- simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-15 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/15/2004 01:39:57 PM: On 10 Dec 2004, at 01:42, Charles Daniels wrote: 8 8 Regardless of the performance, though, there is still the matter of exactly where the messagekey+params gets converted to a message string. Having a

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-15 Thread Richard Sitze
robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/15/2004 01:44:47 PM: On 11 Dec 2004, at 02:24, Noel J. Bergman wrote: It disturbs me that what seems to me to be a reasonable and small set of requirements --- along with what appears to have been considerable forethought based upon

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-15 Thread Richard Sitze
Henning P. Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/15/2004 03:06:41 PM: robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the passivity is a symptom of commons logging being too big, too complex and too tightly coupled to the needs of applications run in containers and yet not

Re: Enterprise Logging - API Proposal

2004-12-14 Thread Richard Sitze
Commons Logging], then bind JCL to Log4J in your hosting environment, and you are ready to move forward. Richard Sitze wrote: Now, were does the *component* developer 'place' this content? I claim we need a standard approach for this, based on the 'resource bundle name' parameters

RE: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-13 Thread Richard Sitze
This is probably only worth saying one time, so please take this as informational, and not as argumentative. First, the term we use is - in the end - of no real concern to us. We have a functional requirement. Would be nice if the term was meaningful. That said, I believe enterprise is

Re: Enterprise Logging - API Proposal

2004-12-13 Thread Richard Sitze
Will move the discussion back to your proposal. Matt Sgarlata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/12/2004 02:58:38 PM: To support localized log messages, we only need to introduce one *optional* interface that will *not* affect any existing functionality. interface LocalizedLog extends Log {

Re: Enterprise Logging

2004-12-13 Thread Richard Sitze
Interesting point Simon.. more below Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/10/2004 10:57:47 PM: Hi Richard, The class javadoc for the EnterpriseLog class states: Please note that a specific implementation of Commons Logging can choose to support either the simple logging

Re: [VOTE] [logging] Enterprise Logging - API Proposal

2004-12-13 Thread Richard Sitze
do not support this API proposal, and here are my reasons Matt Richard Sitze wrote: Interesting point Simon.. more below Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/10/2004 10:57:47 PM: Hi Richard

Re: Enterprise Logging - API Proposal

2004-12-13 Thread Richard Sitze
Matt Sgarlata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/13/2004 02:26:41 PM: Then calling code that wants to make use of localized logging would make this call: private static final LocalizedLog log = (LocalizedLog) LogFactory.getLog(MyClass.class); Not sufficient. a) Leaving the

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-10 Thread Richard Sitze
Henning P. Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/10/2004 04:34:07 AM: Richard Sitze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, B.2. Fix fragile configuration problems - Currently the user has NO idea which impl is in effect. All the default/fall back behavior means

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-10 Thread Richard Sitze
Good points. Please consider: a. There are logging implementations today, I believe, that can accept this information. b. Consider AspectJ as an enabler of such methods, as opposed to an alternative. c. I'm not fluent in AspectJ terminology, so forgive any mistakes... but I see this as

[logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
IBM would like to open a discussion within the Jakarta commons community on evolving the Jakarta Commons Logging (JCL) API's to support Enterprise level logging functionality. We recognize the value that a logging implementation independent API brings to open source component development, and

[logging] Common Logging 2.0? EnterpriseLogFactory.java

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
[Looks like the attachments got lost... Let's try them separately] package org.apache.commons.logging; /** * pFactory for creating [EMAIL PROTECTED] Log} and [EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseLog} instances, * with discovery and configuration features similar to that employed by * standard

[logging] Common Logging 2.0? EnterpriseLog.java

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
package org.apache.commons.logging; /** * pAn advanced logging interface abstracting logging APIs. This interface * extends the simple logging interface decribed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Log}, providing * the following additional capabilities:/p * ul * lithe ability to capture

Re: AW: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
attributes as the ErrorMessage class. Regards, Daniel -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Richard Sitze Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Dezember 2004 21:21 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
Good point. Which is why we elected to begin our proposal as an extension to the existing Log interface, rather than making any immediate adaptations to it. Any component based on the the existing interface [JCL 1.0.X] will be able to execute with JCL 2. Likewise, component developers make

Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
The discovery process is a concern. It's not trivial. It only gets worse over time. Enough said. To be quite frank, here is what I believe to be the right strategy 1. Implement a workable discovery mechanism where it belongs... in Commons Discovery. 2. Have the existing LogFactory

RE: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
Huh... is this where I hide in the corner and pretend that I didn't write that section of the user's guide? Charles Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/09/2004 05:20:24 PM: snip Further, the JCL User Guide has a section labeled National Language Support And Internationalization, in which

RE: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
Charles Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/09/2004 06:20:14 PM: -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Bourg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:54 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say

RE: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
Charles Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/09/2004 07:42:47 PM: 8 Since all of the logging methods (fatal, error, etc.) accept a message of type Object, you could support i18n/l10n by doing something like the following: log.warn(new Message(key, params));

RE: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Sitze
We don't globalize trace level messaging [debug, entry/exit, trace] Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/09/2004 07:23:54 PM: On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 13:20, Charles Daniels wrote: -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Bourg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December

[GUMP@brutus]: Project commons-discovery (in module jakarta-commons) success

2004-12-06 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may satisfy... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery *no longer* has an issue. The current state of this project

[GUMP@stormcrow]: Project commons-discovery (in module jakarta-commons) success

2004-11-09 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may satisfy... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery *no longer* has an issue. The current state of this project

[GUMP@stormcrow]: Project commons-discovery (in module jakarta-commons) success

2004-11-09 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may satisfy... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery *no longer* has an issue. The current state of this project

[GUMP@brutus]: Project commons-discovery (in module jakarta-commons) success

2004-10-16 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may satisfy... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery *no longer* has an issue. The current state of this project

[GUMP@brutus]: jakarta-commons/commons-discovery success

2004-07-25 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may satisfy... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery *no longer* has an issue. Project State : 'Success' Full details

[GUMP@brutus]: jakarta-commons/commons-discovery prerequisite failed

2004-05-24 Thread Richard Sitze
To whom it may satisfy... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact folk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project commons-discovery *no longer* has an issue. Project State : 'Prerequisite Failed',

FileUpload-Modifying request content-type

2004-05-12 Thread Richard Sitze
: was Richard Sitze/Austin/IBM received

RE: commons-logging classloading (continued)

2003-11-18 Thread Richard Sitze
So, I'm coming into this a bit late and all, and I know a few others have been looking at this over the past few weeks... hope this does more than just add fuel to the fire. commons-discovery was created to address the classloader usage patterns being discussed : how to discover an

Re: Logging packaging questions

2003-06-16 Thread Richard Sitze
Hence the need to maintain commons-logging.jar AS-IS. We already HAVE commons-logging-api.jar, we simply need to add new jar files for each implementation 'flavor'. Consideration could be given to including a commons-logging.properties file that configures the logger, though there are

Re: [logging][VOTE] Proposal To Release Commons Logging 1.0.3

2003-04-04 Thread Richard Sitze
+1 *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development Commons-logging has recently undergone some bug fixes, documentation cleanup, and the addition of additional unit test suites to simulate its use within servlet containers and other

VOTE ? protocol

2003-04-04 Thread Richard Sitze
, 2003, at 05:41 PM, Richard Sitze wrote: [OK, Let's try the more formal VOTE subject line :-) Sorry for the duplicate note.] commons-discovery has been fairly stable for a while (one recent bug fix, and a few in the past), and I'd like to cut a 0.2 release. Please VOTE for or against

VOTE: commons-discovery release 0.2

2003-04-03 Thread Richard Sitze
[OK, Let's try the more formal VOTE subject line :-) Sorry for the duplicate note.] commons-discovery has been fairly stable for a while (one recent bug fix, and a few in the past), and I'd like to cut a 0.2 release. Please VOTE for or against. POSITION: There has not

Re: [logging] Moving Towards A 1.0.3 Release

2003-04-01 Thread Richard Sitze
Summary: +1 on all issues Folks, A lot of people are interested in an updated release of commons-logging that incorporates post-1.0.2 bugfixes. In order to do so, we need to address the following outstanding bug reports -- I've described my own recommendations on dealing with them in

discovery: vote for 0.2

2003-04-01 Thread Richard Sitze
Discovery has been very stable for a while now, with a few bug fixes It's a prereq for at least one project (Axis) that is getting ready to cut a new release. I'd like to ask for a vote to cut a 0.2 release, and a volunteer with sufficient karma to help me out. I'd be happy to do what

Re: [commons-logging] Is log4j the only choice if found on the classpath?

2003-03-12 Thread Richard Sitze
I think some work was done to alleviate the 'forced' Log4J... are you using a released build, or a nightly build? If the first, try a nightly... if it still happens (re)open a bugzilla bug report. ras *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices

Re: [logging] Class Loading Problems

2003-03-02 Thread Richard Sitze
I'm partially responsible for the current classloading scheme. I'd sure like to understand what your problems are. Can you describe a step-by-step scenario that demonstrates what you see happening, and why you think it's not correct? Likewise, for any code changes that you make, please help

Re: [logging] Adding jndi java:env support

2002-12-12 Thread Richard Sitze
I'll wait for the formal call to vote before I start voting, BUT I support the following: + release a 1.0.3 before any major code changes + JNDI - NO API changes - NO new runtime dependencies, and I'd like to be able to build, even if I cannot test it. ras

Re: What should we do about sandbox ? RE: License and copyright issues

2002-10-22 Thread Richard Sitze
I like playing in the sandbox, I just don't like to be unpleasantly surprised on what I find buried within. I can see both sides, but it does appear to be IMPERATIVE that the catbox... err sandbox be kept clean for visitors. We simply cannot become, or even appear to become, a public

[discovery] Design Question: Qualifying service names?

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Sitze
To locate a service (based on sun's current mechanism) we can drop a file whose name is the service interface and content is the name of the implementation: META-INF/services/package.ServiceName: implPackage.ServiceNameImpl One 'scheme' for locating a service is have the

RE: Issues with logging

2002-09-30 Thread Richard Sitze
Please open a defect in Bugzilla for this. ras *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development Hi, This issue has already been raised long time back under the subject Support for JDK1.4 Logger in Commons Package. It was told that time that

Released Commons Logging 1.0.2

2002-09-27 Thread Richard Sitze
The Commons team is proud to announce a release of Commons Logging 1.0.2. This release introduces bug fixes for various NullPointerExceptions, and Security Exceptions in J2EE environments. Binary/Source: http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-commons/release/commons-logging/v1.0.2

Re: [logging] VOTE for cutting release 1.0.2

2002-09-26 Thread Richard Sitze
I volunteer to be the release manager. This is also my explicit vote for cutting 1.0.2: +1 By my count, current binding votes are at: +12 (scott sanders, richard sitze) +00 -10 *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development

Re: [logging] VOTE for cutting release 1.0.2

2002-09-26 Thread Richard Sitze
-Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:05 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [logging] VOTE for cutting release 1.0.2 On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 11:07 PM, Richard Sitze wrote: snip 4

RE: [logging] VOTE for cutting release 1.0.2

2002-09-25 Thread Richard Sitze
=103057245722889w= 2 I assume this is a valid reason for a -1 vote. If not, someone please correct me (like I really need to say that :) ) Steven Caswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] a.k.a Mungo Knotwise of Michel Delving One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them... -Original Message- From: Richard

Re: discovery error

2002-09-18 Thread Richard Sitze
This does not appear to be a discovery error. That said, there are a few NPE exception in commons-logging 1.0.1. And these were fixed. Please a recent nightly build and see if that corrects this problem. *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices

Re: [Proposal] Scamp: Source Control Abstraction

2002-09-17 Thread Richard Sitze
Have you taken a look at how Eclipse handles this? http://eclipse.org *** Richard A. Sitze IBM WebSphere WebServices Development Following some interesting discussions on the Maven list, I'd like to propose starting an SCM abstraction project,

RE: Logging: more classloader problems.

2002-06-07 Thread Richard Sitze
to Jakarta Commons Developers List On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Richard Sitze wrote: I'm new this part of the game (classloaders), but I'm becoming more and more aware of the issues. So, I'd like to add to your question some bigger issues surrounding

Re: [VOTE] new committer John Keyes

2002-06-06 Thread Richard Sitze
+1 *** Richard A. Sitze[EMAIL PROTECTED] CORBA Interoperability WebServices IBM WebSphere Development

RE: Logging: more classloader problems.

2002-06-06 Thread Richard Sitze
I'm new this part of the game (classloaders), but I'm becoming more and more aware of the issues. So, I'd like to add to your question some bigger issues surrounding the placement of commons-logging other apache utility/libraries in web application servers: 1. How do we find overload

test

2002-06-05 Thread Richard Sitze
testing my mail protocols. *** Richard A. Sitze[EMAIL PROTECTED] CORBA Interoperability WebServices IBM WebSphere Development

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