Sam Ruby wrote:
The ASF I wish to be a part of is one and/or create is one that
tolerates differences in points of view or approach to solving problems.
Amen.
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Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Right, well the home pages are there now. And right now they are more
closely associated with Apache itself than community.apache.org would.
You're bringing up a new issue as to whether they should be taken away.
The matter at hand is the creation of a new alias to in a way make them
more
You have a corporate viewpoint of how Apache's relationship with Sun
should be managed. I tend to think letting them know is fine. (Somehow
any explanation of this would probably start sounding like the cluetrain
manifesto...which I never read because it was too long winded, but
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 06:01 PM, Ben Hyde wrote:
I've attempted to enumerate some of my concerns ..
I'm done. - ben
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 06:01 PM, Ben Hyde wrote:
I've attempted to enumerate some of my concerns ..
I'm done. - ben
I find myself (sadly) once again agreeing with you...
david
--On Sunday, December 1, 2002 8:25 PM -0500 Andrew C. Oliver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Sam Ruby is the ECMA conveiner for the .NET CLI.. I propose
(since its well known) that he's an apache committer and the PMC
chair of Jakarta that he be told he can't do that anymore.
Ugh! No, you are
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
The foundation is responsible for everything on our servers. I don't
care for it to be associated with *personal* views. Go find a different
soapbox to stand on top of. Your contributions to the ASF don't merit
you getting a personal bully pulpit. -- justin
There
--On Sunday, December 1, 2002 7:23 PM -0800 Stefano Mazzocchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are 450 people with commit access. Each one of them can put
something in our servers that can screw the ASF, including web
sites.
Why is this any different?
Because of community oversight. There are no
Sam Ruby wrote:
The ASF has supportted .forward files for e-mail for quite some time.
Would the mere act of putting a one line .forward file into your
~/public_html directory with your favorite URL be OK?
A bit more work for httpd than your ~name/public_html/community or some
such proposal,
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 01:28 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I think you're missing the point here. Regardless of the verbiage
used, if this whole community thing comes to fruition, it becomes a de
facto representation of the face of the Apache community.
FWIW, I'm -1 on the whole thing.
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 01:39 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Our mission. Creating great software. Puzzling out how to do that
productively in cooperative volunteer teams. Releasing that widely
under a license that is both open. Crafting an effective open
license.
One that doesn't
It has been implied by those who contribute massive amounts
of their time to maintain our systems, that as soon as
a secure and manageable system for revision control
comes along that does not require local accounts
(like subversion), then they will stop creating
login accounts and might possibly
I have been following the discussion about publicizing ASF Member/Committer
home pages. The contentious issue seems to be what is appropriate use of
a home page hosted on apache, or even if there should be home pages at all.
A major concern of those against the proposal is that pages hosted at
Personally I prefer late-refactoring. Has it been a problem yet?
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
I have been following the discussion about publicizing ASF Member/Committer
home pages. The contentious issue seems to be what is appropriate use of
a home page hosted on apache, or even if there should be home
Aaron Bannert wrote:
That is a noble goal, and I support this goal, although I do not think
that an organized soapbox is the right way to do this. The short little
here's the link to my homepage, oh and I work on this and that project
pages are great. Anything other than that is off limits in my
Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--On Monday, December 2, 2002 8:39 AM +0100 Nicola Ken Barozzi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think we are talking about complete personal websites with
blogs and such, with rants and honeymoon pictures, but about some
pages that explain
--On Monday, December 2, 2002 10:56 AM -0500 Sam Ruby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Justin, if you would like to put forward a set of rules,
guidelines, and suggest an enforcement mechanism, I would be
inclined to endorse it if it would further consensus.
As I have said before, what I would prefer is
From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 22:23
Sander Striker wrote:
Which is simply not the case if not all committers and members are
represented
on there.
Here is an effort that I made last year http://cvs.apache.org/~rubys/
Here is much move visually
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 22:49
Sander Striker wrote:
Right now the homepages aren't linked to from anywhere and certainly
not promoted. Creating the dns entry will seem like promoting the use
of the homepages.
Yes, that's exactly the
From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 December 2002 16:56
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
--On Monday, December 2, 2002 8:39 AM +0100 Nicola Ken Barozzi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think we are talking about complete personal websites with
blogs and such, with rants and
Sander Striker wrote:
My point is that quite a number of people won't have the time
(or inclination) to do so. And because they don't, they aren't
listed*.
:
Currently the list (auto created) on Kens page holds about
40 committers. How many committers do we have in total?
communities can only grow so fast and so large by using osmosis to
transfer ideas.
the incubator will need to be able to tell incubatees the apache resources
at their disposal and the limits beyond which use of these resources
becomes abuse.
i'd like to this kind of information provided to
Justin, if you would like to put forward a set of rules,
guidelines, and suggest an enforcement mechanism, I would be
inclined to endorse it if it would further consensus.
It occurs to me that if people want to guide the content of the ASF hosted
personal page, there could be a DTD, and the
ROUS wrote:
uniform education of (new) committers is one of the purposes of the
incubator
project. documenting these things for all, including existing committers,
is as well.
As a new committer, I not only appreciate that view, I want to know where to
find the info! :-)
--- Noel
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
As a new committer, I not only appreciate that view, I want to
know where to find the info! :-)
keep an eye on incubator.apache.org
Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Web page can be found at:
http://cvs.apache.org/~rubys/committers.html
Source to the script can be found at:
http://cvs.apache.org/~rubys/committers.pl
Fire away with comments, criticisms, suggestions, and most importantly,
patches. I
Sam Ruby wrote:
Fire away with comments, criticisms, suggestions, and most importantly,
patches. I believe that this addresses most, if not all, of the
concerns identified to date. If not, let me know.
i would prefer to have my name link to my cvs.apache.org/~coar/ page.
1) The links
Aaron Bannert wrote:
To me it seems we are trying to solve two problems here:
1) A place to put homepages and personal content, including
(but not limited to) ASF-related activities and project proposals,
as well as individual interests.
2) A catalog of the people representing the ASF
I took a guess regarding .forward and public_html (but I wonder if Windows
users would know about them), and played with CVS and ssh to get it all
working with public keys. Sent e-mail to Brian detailing my experience,
which appears to have been incorporated into the Committers FAQ by someone
On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 12:55 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
[long quote omitted]
Please refrain from copying every line of a post in your reply.
It is best to only quote what you are replying to.
-aaron
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
'nother thought. do we want to include in the karma column modules
which aren't available through anoncvs/viewcvs?
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing - we shouldn't include ones that
aren't publically available. Perhaps we should have a list of 'dead'
CVS
Aaron Bannert wrote:
As Justin pointed out, we get automatic oversight right now when someone
makes a change to a project website, including the contributor listings.
This works very well for code commits, so whatever we come up with should
probably have the same level of oversight.
Justin has a
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