Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: b. The Incubator. [...] b. is in the group considered a "death sentence". Be that an overstatement, some users are indicating it to be a signal of the negative kind. Steven already said loud and clear and with very nice wording, but let me state one example for all: the Leny

Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread J.Pietschmann
Santiago Gala wrote: I plan to update it as soon as I find a way to make xplanet generate coordinates for an imagemap, so that it can be indexed by robot, scraped, etc. The "-markerbounds " option should write box coordinates to a file, according to the readme. Never tried it myself though. J.Piets

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Steven Noels
2. The described 'worst-case' scenario, makes me not inclined to take Merlin away from the ASF. Are you hinting at the bank story? Hm. Quite frankly, I think people are being oversold on the size of the Merlin community ATM, and individual cases are being extrapolated into broad tendencies. We u

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Dave Brondsema
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:18, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > In any case, this does not answer the question as to how the lack of a > > top level project for Metro would damage a commercial user. > > IMHO, > 1. Metro doesn't belong any more in Avalon than

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:18, Sam Ruby wrote: > "long-lived community" is the key phrase. yes. > Successful communities outlast their leaders. Agree. > In any case, this does not answer the question as to how the lack of a > top level project for Metro would damage a commercial user. IM

RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Where are the sources for the mail script and dev/ files? > Should I send patches to the infrastructure issue tracker? dev/ is in the site module, which should be available for anonymous checkout. It is also visible via viewcvs. The script is in the infrastructure area of SVN, and I don't beli

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 22:08, Sam Ruby wrote: Hindsight is easy, and I am not sure whether your intention is to punish parts (not all) of those who made it happen, plus some people who hasn't been involved (for instance commercial users). The intent is not to punish anyo

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Santiago Gala
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J Aaron Farr wrote: |> -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:28 |> AM To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: |> Style of community building |> |> Niclas Hedhman wr

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 22:08, Sam Ruby wrote: > > Hindsight is easy, and I am not sure whether your intention is to punish > > parts (not all) of those who made it happen, plus some people who hasn't > > been involved (for instance commercial users). > > The intent is not to punish anyone, at

RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread brondsem
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > > *i* think it would be good to include something about > > [committer resources such as lists] in the 'here's your > > committer account' message from the infrastructure. > > Sent by a script. Patches welcomed. > > >

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 20:27, Sam Ruby wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Rightly or wrongly so, the tone of "competition" in Avalon was set well before the emergence of Merlin. That was bad. So now the train was moving, and noone pulled the breaks, not any individual, not the

RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > *i* think it would be good to include something about > [committer resources such as lists] in the 'here's your > committer account' message from the infrastructure. Sent by a script. Patches welcomed. > maybe a bi-monthly reminder to committers@ pointing to a >

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread J Aaron Farr
> -Original Message- > From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:28 AM > To: community@apache.org > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Style of community building > > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > > Rightly or wrongly so, the tone of "competition" in Avalo

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 20:27, Sam Ruby wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Rightly or wrongly so, the tone of "competition" in Avalon was set well > > before the emergence of Merlin. That was bad. So now the train was > > moving, and noone pulled the breaks, not any individual, not the PMC, no

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Rightly or wrongly so, the tone of "competition" in Avalon was set well before the emergence of Merlin. That was bad. So now the train was moving, and noone pulled the breaks, not any individual, not the PMC, not the PMC Chair, not the community, not the Board - noone. That

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 17:09, Sam Ruby wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 September 2004 09:30, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > >>If you want to change my mind, that's how you start: tell me what is the > >>benefit for the ASF in promoting this style of community building, > >>despit

Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Santiago Gala
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: Had some time between flights: http://apache-globe.asemantics.org/ Do a 'view source' to get the 'trick' so to speak. I'd love suggestions as to hwo you can make the committer name etc appear. Right nwo I am linking in the URLs. If you need anything more - let me know.

Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dave Brondsema wrote: > > I know from experience that it took a while for me to become aware of > the existence of so many "semi-private" lists/resources. E.g., > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module, > planetapache.org,

Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Sam Ruby
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 28 September 2004 09:30, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If you want to change my mind, that's how you start: tell me what is the benefit for the ASF in promoting this style of community building, despite its long-term history of social energy waste, frustration and contra

Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Had some time between flights: http://apache-globe.asemantics.org/ Do a 'view source' to get the 'trick' so to speak. I'd love suggestions as to hwo you can make the committer name etc appear. Right nwo I am linking in the URLs. If you need anything more - let me know. Or I am happy to m

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 09:30, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > If you want to change my mind, that's how you start: tell me what is the > benefit for the ASF in promoting this style of community building, > despite its long-term history of social energy waste, frustration and > contract instabilit

Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-09-28 Thread Felipe Leme
On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 13:35, Sander Temme wrote: > That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be a good > idea to have the world map feature prominently on the apache.org site? > That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community and be > good PR. +1 too...

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: The problem that Nicola perhaps doesn't realize is that, for Apache to be long-term viable, it constantly needs to revive and evolve itself. Otherwise it will become a speck in history, and not a dominant force of horizontal open-source projects. And as you, Ceki, correctly