I don't mean this to be a flippant remark, but how about google map as
a OpenStreetMap replacement?
On 4/2/07, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wanted to say that I am another user that would be interested in a
commercial mapping application running on an OpenMoko device. I realize
that
Sean,
thank you *very* much for your openness in this aspect as well!
The latest hardware spin -- GTA01B_V4 was supposed to fix the few
remaining issues keeping us from setting phones free; but, we
uncovered
some other issues.
From my own experience in the Mobile Phone business, I know
there's been a long running discussion on getting java up and running...
what would be the possibility of tying into the gmaps mobile interface? does
anyone who reads licences better than I know if this violates the EULA?
maybe we could talk google into doing a custom version? they do it for
On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an open source
project, or alternatively converting their data
If I remember correctly the company of smart2go was bought by Nokia
last year.
So I don't think they will support other phones but Nokias in near
future.
Regards
Karsten
On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
I guess it is a question
First: I work for eBay, I'm a Skype beta tester and have helped
develop/test the Skype Java API. I'm not speaking here in any official
capacity.
Keeping to the technology issues, Skype for mobile is targeted at
Symbian and Windows mobile, Skype desktop for Linux runs on x86, its
being worked on
On Monday 02 April 2007 12:36, wim delvaux wrote:
On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote:
On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote:
I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to
cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an open
...Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.
I wish there were a way to apply this to hardware,
without the costs being astronomical.
Unfortunately, this turns out not to be completely true, even for
software. Given enough eyeballs, most localized programming errors are
fairly shallow, but
On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't
know where I am
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers. So
you're
I was looking on the wiki just to see if any decision has been made on
the Wifi chipsets to go into the next version of the openmoko.
Although I suggested the SyChip devices (admittedly only to have the
chance to win a Neo), I should say a couple of things.
I do a lot of arm development, and
Quoting Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller on 04/02/2007 07:29 AM UTC:
I think that the Neo is also seen as some competition to the iPhone -
and Apple
is known for high hardware quality standards.
Now please, this is some illusion.. I've had heard of many problems with
apple hardware.. :)
- xkr47
Andrew Turner wrote:
Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation
of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers.
snip
Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your
position (while driving). Then when you got back home, you could
On 4/2/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
According to OSM's wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Getting_Involved#Recording_tracks_using_a_GPS_receiver
Step 5), it would be a copyright violation to use Google Maps in any
way to fill data into OSM. OSM insists in their guides that
According to OSM's wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Getting_Involved#Recording_tracks_using_a_GPS_receiver
Step 5), it would be a copyright violation to use Google Maps in any
way to fill data into OSM. OSM insists in their guides that you note
street names while you're traveling,
Depends on the development model. Peter Naur has an interesting take
on software development, which I paraphrase... The software that's
released is an artifact of the true value of the organization; the
ability to efficiently communicate models in the problem space
amongst the people that
Regarding the repeated requests for google maps on the device:
YES IT IS POSSIBLE. YOU DO NOT WANT IT.
According to the terms, you aren't allowed to cache the data for further use
later. This means that you have to download the images over GPRS every time
you pass through an area. These images
Something else worth mentioning, regarding road usage, is that on a much
larger scale, we could get fairly accurate road data automatically if every
phone recorded where it went (unless the functionality was turned off) and
just uploaded that data automatically to a server when it was near an
D'oh!
I forgot to credit Dick Gabriel (of Lucid fame (or infamy, depending
on your opinion of Lisp and C++)) for the concept of how important
evolution is in software development.
He's penned a number of very interesting papers, available at his
site:
Am 02.04.2007 um 22:07 schrieb Matthew S. Hamrick:
Apple is well know for good design... i.e. - understanding the
interplay between psychology, manufacturing technology and materials.
In terms of hardware quality, they've never been consistently good.
For instance, my 450MHz G4 tower is
Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free'
only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta
version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents
redistribution of the data files, and prevents reverse-engineering of the
What if somebody writes a free application that works but with charts that
cost money ?
You can't buy the charts. They are protected by various technical and
licensing methods in each of the products you use. The companies can't take
the risk of an open source software product revealing and
wim delvaux wrote:
Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free'
only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta
version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents
redistribution of the data files, and prevents
On 4/2/07, Paul McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adrian, thanks for an insider's viewpoint.
Likewise, thanks for this detailed response.
What you describe (a Linux/ARM gateway binary) would be an acceptable
solution for many people, since it wouldn't overly burden the device with a
It's nice to have rational conversation and argument about this, rather than
the great amounts of handwringing which sometimes constitute the bulk of
these discussions...
The burden of a skype client is not primarily in the UI, most people
would be happy to just have a way to run Skype on their
On 4/2/07, Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Right, but the bigger question is if Google wanted to develop
support their GmapsMobile for OpenMoko. This will be difficult.
I think this is a common misconception. Google Maps Mobile runs on
Java(J2ME), so as long as the phone can
On 4/2/07, Paul McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's nice to have rational conversation and argument about this, rather than
the great amounts of handwringing which sometimes constitute the bulk of
these discussions...
Agreed :-)
I agree... there's very little reason for us to cache the
I just thought of another (yes, probably unlikely) possibility, but
maybe worth considering. A map provider could keep their data in a
closed format and provide a closed source binary library API for
interfacing with the data.
This way open source developers could have their own front-end
I agree that while this is unlikely, it's the best option for all involved.
You would need a software company to write that binary library though...
which would probably not be a particularly profitable enterprise.
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There are a couple of Google Summer of Code applications that involve
building a mapping application on OpenMoko. Hopefully one of these
get's funded. At the very least that will demonstrate the viability of
OpenMoko and the Neo1973 as a mobile mapping platform that commercial
vendors can then
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