Europe: ordering Freerunner direct from Openmoko?

2008-04-23 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, For us european users: will it be possible to order Frerunner directly from Openmoko? The way it looks now, this would be the most attractive solution from a cost point of view, at leat for us here in Norway. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-23 Thread Adam Johansson
Michael Shiloh wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: steve wrote: Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer it. Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to prevent pouch poaching. Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary

Re: Sean where are you?

2008-04-23 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
David Samblas Martinez wrote: Since Tue Apr 8 17:31:57 CEST 2008 Sean Moss-Pultz (our beloved leader ;)) doesn't appears on the community forum. Waiting for the take and hack, because it is code of my code and hardware of my hardware day announce? I'm still here...fighting all kinds of

[GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Lucas Bonnet
Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't

Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Patrick Davila
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog ___

bulk order

2008-04-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Hello Steve. Will it be possible for us in Europe to make a bulk order directly from Openmoko or do we need to shop from TRIsoft. I will order 20 Freerunners, and can save much money by ordering directly from OM. -=Flemming=- ___ Openmoko community

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Lucas Bonnet wrote: during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Lucas Bonnet
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Yes... And that's only on a Neo... Freerunner that will have a better CPU that surely will allow to get really better performances

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Tilman Baumann
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-23 Thread Fredrik Markström
Hello Richter ! I have not made any complains regarding the software, what I am complaining about is the fact that no representative from openmoko has commented on the bug that makes the GTA01 not wakeup from suspend on incoming calls and/or SMS:es. (reliably anyway) As far as I understand

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-23 Thread Fredrik Markström
In fact it is $399 + ($0 for ZiPhone unlock) ! /Fredrik On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is always funny to see how the bad marketing works. Still many people out there haven't noticed, that the iPhone doesn't cost 399$. In fact it cost's 399$ + 24 monthly

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-23 Thread Fredrik Markström
Matthew, 1) I was talking about GTA01 and the suspend/resume bug, I don't care about standby minutes, but I'd like to be able to use it for a little more then 3 hours between charging. 2) True, but I don't question the community or the software, I question the openness of openmoko regarding

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Lucas Bonnet
Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Tilman Baumann wrote: Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? Regular

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P Just a typo, eh! I meant just openmoko :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
Wednesday 23 April 2008 skrev Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P Just a typo, eh! I meant just openmoko :P While we're fixing typos, i'm sure you meant to write Qt, and not QT (which we all of course know is short for QuickTime, not

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread James Olney
looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. nice music, i guess this video was filmed in a lift, or elevator.. :) 2008/4/23 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: (both

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

2008-04-23 Thread Ian Stirling
Tilman Baumann wrote: Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: Getting to the debug port, at least as described in the wiki, needs both the torx screwdriver and the guitar pick. Ah, so this is what the pick is for. Thx. Remove the back Undo the torx Starting at the antenna end, run fingernail along the

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Ian Stirling
James Olney wrote: looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. Unfortunately, not quite obviously. For example, the memory bus bandwidth to the GPU is some 7M/s, compared to 60+M/s for the GTA01, and the 3D hardware will not have

Re: What US plans are people using?

2008-04-23 Thread Michael Shiloh
ian douglas wrote: Travis Tabbal wrote: This implies that a GTA01bv4 can NOT use 850 mhz. But my Neo1973 works PERFECTLY in the USA, which means either it DOES support 850mhz OR that the LACK of 850mhz is irrelevant. As I understand it, 850 will matter or not depending on where

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread christopher bradski
Just curious how the gfx chip ended up sharing the same bus as the sd-slot? How slow would a video be on this device? Ie. Would a downcoded video be watchable since the freerunner has more available memory and cpu power available to do software decoding? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread thomasg
I guess the problem is, that the samsung s3c doesn't have enough interfaces for all the hardware freerunner has. So the Glamo ended up on the SDIO-port (used for the SD-slot in gta01), and the SD-slot is no connected to the glamos own SD-interface. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM, christopher

Re: What US plans are people using?

2008-04-23 Thread Travis Tabbal
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. I have recently had difficulty hooking up to ATT. I wonder if the reason is that they've switched to 850MHz. How did you find this out? I found some coverage maps on gsmworld.com. I don't know how accurate

Re: What US plans are people using?

2008-04-23 Thread ian douglas
Yes, ATT uses both 850 and either 1800 or 1900 (I forget which at the moment, maybe 1900 and TMobile uses 1800, or vice versa?). In my last apartment, where there were a lot of buildings very close together, lots of concrete, etc., my usual ATT phone (Blackjack 2) would only connect on the

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Patryk Szymczak
Then another question arised: during a call, would it be possible to know the GSM cell of the other phone? Is there a way to know this, even if it requires Neos on both sides? I have a project for GSoC (SMS Middleware). Using this SW, you will be able to ask OM via SMS theoretically

Re: What US plans are people using?

2008-04-23 Thread Rivera
ian douglas wrote: Yes, ATT uses both 850 and either 1800 or 1900 (I forget which at the moment, maybe 1900 and TMobile uses 1800, or vice versa?). In my last apartment, where there were a lot of buildings very close together, lots of concrete, etc., my usual ATT phone (Blackjack 2)

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Feydreva
Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 18:40, Feydreva wrote: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Lucas Bonnet
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this into opkg'es (maybe with some modifications) Yeah, that's

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Denis Shulyaka
2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yes.

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/23/08, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this

Re: [GSM] Geolocating

2008-04-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/23/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Peter Abplanalp
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes. I agree:) not me! i'm totally against it! ___ Openmoko

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Knapp
Hi Fredrik, All I can say is since loading the 17th April image on my Neo it has in terms of battery life become *very* usable. I'm s glad now that I can set the 'power management' to 'dim then lock' and now I can happily use it for a whole day (or more as haven't tested its thresholds yet)!

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Shannon
Oh come on! You're just disagreeing because you have no idea what we're talking about. On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Peter Abplanalp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL

Re: bulk order

2008-04-23 Thread Stefan Misch
Hello Flemming, you could also try pulster.de I'm not sure about their shipping policy to other countries than Germany but they're targetting a price of 300 Euro per unit. All best, Stefan Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: Hello Steve. Will it be possible for us in Europe to make a bulk

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread James Olney
I always find it better to cook it before eating it. but either way it's good. 2008/4/23 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Surely my dog will have something to say about this thread... Tim Shannon wrote: Oh come on! You're just disagreeing because you have no idea what we're talking

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-23 Thread Bobby Martin
Are you saying that sound GSM work after resume using the April 17th image? What kernel image are you using? Hi Fredrik, All I can say is since loading the 17th April image on my Neo it has in terms of battery life become *very* usable. I'm s glad now that I can set the 'power

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Me too, very insightful. On 4/23/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Denis Shulyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23, Casey G [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 21:30, James Olney wrote: I always find it better to cook it before eating it. but either way it's good. 2008/4/23 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Surely my dog will have something to say about this thread... You want to cook his dog? -- Andy / ScaredyCat

Re: Progress on GTA01 power management issues !

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Knapp
Hi Bobby, Well, I should've clarified that I haven't tested GSM after a resume (I was just happy to have the UI return to a usable state). And I'm using the 17th image/kernel recommended by Kevin Dean. I'll report back on my GSM test results in another email. -Tim On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 15:32

Re: (no subject)

2008-04-23 Thread flexd
That was my bad, opened a installer for a program (totally legal i swear! :p), after several virus checks, yet it manages to try to send emails everywhere :( Thought avast had stopped it from sending, apparently not. So feel free to send hate mail to that gmail address :P Kristoffer James

Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-23 Thread Stefan Misch
Hi, I have an idea going through my mind about rejecting phone calls. Today when I reject a call the mobile provider redirects the call to the voice box which I have to call later on to get the message. The way the voice boxes work now is really cumbersome and additionally I have to pay for it.

Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-23 Thread ian douglas
2. Called person cannot talk right now (Meeting, cinema, etc.) I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, and you can set several 'away' messages depending on why you don't want to be disturbed. Some sort of voicemail app on the phone which plays back one of several messages like Hi, I'm enjoying a movie

Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-23 Thread ian douglas
Sorry, just realized I hadn't finished my thought... ian douglas wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, and you can set several 'away' messages depending on why you don't want to be disturbed. Some sort of voicemail app on the phone which plays back one of several messages like Hi, I'm enjoying a

Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-23 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 23:20:02 Stefan Misch wrote: But the second could be handled by an answering machine right on the phone. The calling person will be charged anyway. The message would be something along the lines: I'm sorry, but I can't take your call right now. Please leave a

Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-23 Thread Tim Knapp
Hi Ian, On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:44 -0700, ian douglas wrote: Sorry, just realized I hadn't finished my thought... ian douglas wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, I tried to use pidgin on the OM but found that I couldn't enter my IM profile details as the multi-tap keyboard didn't get

Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-23 Thread ian douglas
ian douglas wrote: I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, I tried to use pidgin on the OM but found that I couldn't enter my IM profile details as the multi-tap keyboard didn't get 'activated' when in these fields - has this been fixed now? /me will try again if this is the case. No, I use it on my

Improved page of photographs of Freerunner

2008-04-23 Thread Michael Shiloh
Thanks to Mikael Lammentausta, quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs now has a web page and thumbnails, and slightly reduced big images that still capture the essence. Thank you Mikael! (The huge originals are at quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs.originals in case you want to use them for

Re: Improved page of photographs of Freerunner

2008-04-23 Thread James Olney
The huge originals are at quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs/originals thanks Thanks to Mikael Lammentausta, quickstart.openmoko.com/photographs now has a web page and thumbnails, and slightly reduced big images that still capture the essence. Thank you Mikael! (The huge originals are

Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

2008-04-23 Thread Nkoli
Youmail has a number based profile setup, where you can set responses for specific numbers (hang up on people, play different voicemail messages, whatever). They have some wacky videos on their website that show how the service works. For visual voicemail, there's a number of options available to

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:28:40 +0200 thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: yup. those 7m/sec (that's write to video ram) is also shared with SD card IO. 7m/sec for VGA graphics is not much. QVGA is 1/4 the pixel count of VGA. this will be slower on the gta02 than gta01. gta01 get you about 43m/sec to

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:07 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? I would say not, because you can see the blinking text-console cursor in the upper-left corner. I have run into the same thing when doing framebuffer

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

2008-04-23 Thread Lorn Potter
Tilman Baumann wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they