Am Di 27. Mai 2008 schrieb David Pottage:
If there is a difference between what the spec sheet for the GSM modem
supports and what the AT command says is supported, then my guess would be
that the GSM modem is also considering what is permitted by the network
SIM card. Alternatively
I am a little confused about the available Encryption algorithms for the
Neo1973. When I enter the ATcommand AT%EM=2,7 in libgsmd-tool (in
atcmd mode) it get the response:
STR=`AT%EM=2,7'
RSTR=`%EM: 1,1,0,3,0,1,1,0,0,1,1,0
6,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,4,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0'
According to
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Andy Green wrote:
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| Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley:
| Joerg
|
Not really, normal touch screen tablets have a capacitive touch
screen, which is why they usually only work with a special pen, and
you can rest your hand on them.
Cheers,
Federico
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:59 AM, ramsesoriginal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, as most of you probably did by now,
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not really, normal touch screen tablets have a capacitive touch
screen, which is why they usually only work with a special pen, and
you can rest your hand on them.
Correcting myself - from Wikipedia:
Passive tablets,
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:14:46 -0400 Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Matt Mets wrote:
I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a
short video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM
Cool
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:16 +0200, Matt Mets
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless
router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere...
In ad-hoc network mode only. AFAIK the WiFi chip used in
Uncle Kridley wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
The only two things I really need the Blackberry for (apart from
stable calling :-)) are the password safe (which I have written a
replacement for, and others exist)...
I'm totally dependent on gnukeyring on my Treo, so this is good news.
I'd been
Hei Folks
can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the
freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems exited. My little
crappy Motorala stays alive for days if it is not used to make calls.
How does this relate? Are we waiting for suspend to work? or shall
If you look at the ATR0635 datasheet directly from Atmel:
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc4928.pdf
you'll read on page 14:
RAW (RAW message support requires an additional license)
U-blox (Atmel's software partner) only sells some of its products with RAW
message support
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| YEP. but from this sniplet I don't understand whether it also will enter
| LOGICAL hostmode like with a short to GND on ID-pin.
|
| That's the crux, do *both*
No, nothing is watching ID level right now.
I have just realized that opkg-cl isn't in toolchain. :(
added and committed, will show up in the next toolchain build.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:34:40PM +0800, John Lee wrote:
libjana isn't packaged in toolchain by default. the default
compopents are:
libmokogsmd2, mokoui2,
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
I won't say it was easy or pretty, but I did it.
Cool... I want do it also with my Motorola phone importing contacts,
SMSs and events from the binary seem files... Maybe I could use some of
your advices!
Marco, and others: I'm going to
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in
| fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source
| driver.
|
| its a firmware. the wifi module has its own
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| The freerunner CPU is ARM920T ,can't support android system img,I think
| it can update to ARM926EJ-S ?
| We can replace CPU directly ?
No, CPU is definitely not user replaceable part.
- -Andy
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
hmmm you really have a talent to ask interesting questions
I'll take that as a compliment, although most people find it irritating :-)
In this case it's actually my job :-)
dunno... yet
I understand. It's not a trivial question. I know that you won't claim
On Wed, 28 May 2008 22:40:27 -0700 Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
to correct - just backspace! :) (left slide). the magnifying thing is
possible
- but somehow i saw it as superfluous as chances are u press and release
very fast like a keypress on a normal keyboard and then notice
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hei Folks
|
| can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the
| freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems exited. My little
| crappy Motorala stays alive for days if
2008/5/22 Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm trying to install a 30 day trial version of Pro/E Wildfire 4.0 right
now. If I'm lucky I can run it in Wine and I can see if it can export
models that work any better for me.
Pro/E Wildfire 3.0 and 2.0 were available as native Linux
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| If you look at the ATR0635 datasheet directly from Atmel:
|
| http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc4928.pdf
|
| you'll read on page 14:
| RAW (RAW message support requires an additional
How about charge the mobile every night?
And the powersavingapp isen't ready yet. After what I know.
Alexander Frøyseth
Eildert Groeneveld skrev:
Hei Folks
can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the
freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems
just as a sidenote:
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/2
as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/1
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/3
seems one doesn't want A5/2 anyways and its deprecated, thus eventually
the network doesn't allow using it anymore?
just guessing.. would need to work
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their
closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk
of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware are pretty compelling
so I
I think, for example, you can't do WPA in ad-hoc mode (only WPA2), so
there's a reason. There are some others like this one.
Ivo
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in
| fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source
| driver.
|
| its a firmware. the wifi module has its own
More or less I knew that, but, as you can see in the video/read in the
news, microsoft stated tat the Windows 7 Multitouch works on standard
touchscreens..
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Joerg,
as it seems that my mail did not reach the community list (I am not a
subscriber, just monitoring the archives) may I ask you directly the question
regarding multi tutch :-) . See below:
Hi all,
if the geometric average point is
Just read mails...
Steve explained that there is a last preMP and the process by the
manufacturer, test process etc...
2 days ago max...
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
(I am
Hi everyone,
I'm a little (actually quite) late in this scene so pardon my ignorance on
any goofy questions. I am a LAMP (and uhm ... Java) developer and had always
wanted/waited for a dream box like this. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I
came across openmoko 1 year late. But better late than
On 5/28/08, einstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it
over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the
Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short
call, one missed call! And in
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Once today, while my FreeRunner was plugged in on USB, I tapped the screen
to wake it up, and it came up, but all the pixels in text were jiggly, as
though the screen were being refreshed at the wrong rate. When I called up
As far as I can tell everything in the article was already mentioned
on the list. Nothing new to comment on...
Ortwin
On 5/29/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
steve wrote:
Yes mass pro will start soon. There is another batch of a few
Steven Kurylo wrote, on 20/05/08 10:44:
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Well, I much appreciate your work and your openness with community,
unfortunately I can't say the same about Openmoko in this occasion since
this should
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that I have so many contacts, it would be nice if you had more control
over the list format. The only choices I see (under Options-Display
Settings) are First Last or Company and
Last,First or Company. I'd like to see an
also they used to claim that windows is best operating system ever :-)
so be careful ;-)
Piotr
ramsesoriginal pisze:
More or less I knew that, but, as you can see in the video/read in the
news, microsoft stated tat the Windows 7 Multitouch works on standard
touchscreens..
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I have a little idea. Imagine, you put your finger somewhere on the
right side of the screen. The average point is also somewhere at the
right side. When you put another finger e.g. at the left side the
average point jumps somewhere to the middle.
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I guess, that it is a driver issue. The open drivers have to be done by
reverse engeneering (at least until somwhere round february) and the
proprietary drivers have many bugs. I hope things will get better since
the documentation has been made
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their
closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk
of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware
I've never used QTopia but how about something like by groups? A lot
of phones offer the option of grouping contacts (work, family, and even
user defined groups). It would be nice to extend this and then be able
to filter by group? Perhaps QTopia already has that feature?
Yes, Qtopia
This may be relevant to those folks interested in developing routing apps on
OpenMoko.
Kyle
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Date: Wednesday 28 May 2008 17:34
From: Pascal Neis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: [EMAIL
If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one
called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits
nicely (cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you
stick! and maybe center it).
The touch screen still works! :-)
Ian Darwin
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/2
as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/1
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5/3
seems one doesn't want A5/2 anyways and its deprecated, thus eventually
the network doesn't allow using it anymore?
That's true,
just guessing.. would need to work
Anybody who knows, if the current software support CPU-scaling?
And also if so, are the steps predefined or is it possible to specify a
precise freq?
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On to, 2008-05-29 at 17:20 +0200, Bastian Muck wrote:
I have a little idea. Imagine, you put your finger somewhere on the
right side of the screen. The average point is also somewhere at the
right side. When you put another finger e.g. at the left side the
average point jumps somewhere to
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Bastian Muck:
I have a little idea. Imagine, you put your finger somewhere on the
right side of the screen. The average point is also somewhere at the
right side. When you put another finger e.g. at the left side the
average point jumps somewhere to the middle. This
Lasse Poulsen wrote:
Also it would be nice to see how long call time you have if you talk
continually (might i suggest an audio-book or to). If you don't i
properly will (haven't got the device yet!)
Taking Lasse's advice, I set up a new test last night:
I fully charged my Freerunner,
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not
so good news about production :/
Can you share with us something more Steve?
Bye
[1]
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their
closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk
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From: Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:32:43 +0530
Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with
Openmoko
Hi everyone,
I'm a little (actually quite) late in this scene so
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their
closed firmware. Unfortunately the power
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Lasse Poulsen wrote:
| Also it would be nice to see how long call time you have if you talk
| continually (might i suggest an audio-book or to). If you don't i
| properly will (haven't got the device yet!)
2008/5/29 Dennis Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Anybody who knows, if the current software support CPU-scaling?
And also if so, are the steps predefined or is it possible to specify a
precise freq?
cesarb (see the wiki) did a big effort on this for GTA01
from what little i picked up its tricky
Ian Darwin wrote:
If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one
called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits
nicely (cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you
stick! and maybe center it).
Good. I've already asked on this list
luther ha scritto:
The freerunner CPU is ARM920T ,can't support android system img,I think
it can update to ARM926EJ-S ?
AFAIK when Google Android code will be available it will be possible to
port it to work with ARMv4 CPUs.
--
Treviño's World - Life and Linux
http://www.3v1n0.net/
Bastian Muck wrote:
I have a little idea. Imagine, you put your finger somewhere on the
right side of the screen. The average point is also somewhere at the
right side. When you put another finger e.g. at the left side the
average point jumps somewhere to the middle. This jump is where we
The freerunner CPU is ARM920T, can't support android system img, I
think it can update to ARM926EJ-S ?
The Neo is not a desktop computer, so I really doubt that the CPU is
socketed :-) So unless you're good at soldering SMT components, I think
you can forget the CPU upgrade (even if you are,
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Lasse Poulsen wrote:
| Also it would be nice to see how long call time you have if you talk
| continually (might i suggest an audio-book or to). If you don't i
| properly will (haven't got the device yet!)
|
Andy Green wrote:
| Taking Lasse's advice, I set up a new test last night:
Just a little point about these tests, AIUI the GPS stuff acts radically
differently in terms of current consumption depending on the distance
from the base station.
I'm assuming you meant GSM not GPS, so as I
Ilja O. wrote:
1) Auth using PIN number (this requires encrypted image presence in
phone file system by it's boot time end -- not reallyl convenient if
SD card is used).
IMO encrypting Data with the PIN Number is not such a good thing,
because the possibilities of different keys are
One of selected projects in google android is Writing pad which enables
writing one word per stroke with on screen keyboard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBOyGp25sSg
What do you think. Could this be useful on OpenMoko?
I think its really inovative usage of on screen keyboard. I could try to
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb ian douglas:
I think that knowing a best case scenario (where you stay in the same
location), you get about 6 hours of talk time, is still helpful. Cell
phone manufacturers typically report a best case scenario when
reporting talk time and standby time, with the
On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:42:41 +0200
christooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of selected projects in google android is Writing pad which
enables writing one word per stroke with on screen keyboard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBOyGp25sSg
What do you think. Could this be useful on
On Thursday 29 May 2008 21:58, ian douglas wrote:
Andy Green wrote:
| Taking Lasse's advice, I set up a new test last night:
Just a little point about these tests, AIUI the GPS stuff acts radically
differently in terms of current consumption depending on the distance
from the base
ian douglas wrote:
I think that knowing a best case scenario (where you stay in the same
location), you get about 6 hours of talk time, is still helpful. Cell
phone manufacturers typically report a best case scenario when
reporting talk time and standby time, with the legalese and fine print
On 5/29/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one
called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits nicely
(cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you stick!
If anyone is really interested in make this phone an AP to whatever usenbsp;
andnbsp; if anbsp; external power isnbsp; an option, why not use a USB 1.1
wireless adapter able tonbsp; do that even it only do itnbsp; in b instead of
g if the usb 1.1 doen't allownbsp; the 54 Mb/s.it can be very
Thanks for your thoughts, Marco.
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
I agree, and we can't ask you more than testing like you're doing.
As of today I have 165 minutes remaining of my 1,000 minute TMobile SIM
card, so I'll have to restock it to do any more tests. I think TMobile
still has their
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb AVee:
This test might not even be 'best case'. A better test would be having the
Neo
really close to the cell tower for optimal conditions. I guess the
difference
between testing far away from the cell tower and testing close to the tower
might be pretty big.
David
If anyone is really interested in make this phone an AP to whatever use
and if a external power is an option, why not use a USB 1.1 wireless
adapter able to do that even it only do it in b instead of g if the usb
1.1 doen't allow the 54 Mb/s
I've not had much luck finding a solid
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
ian douglas wrote:
I think that knowing a best case scenario (where you stay in the same
location), you get about 6 hours of talk time, is still helpful. Cell
phone manufacturers typically report a best case scenario when
reporting
Valid idea. Thanks for mentioning this.
Michael
David Samblas Martinez wrote:
If anyone is really interested in make this phone an AP to whatever
use and if a external power is an option, why not use a USB 1.1
wireless adapter able to do that even it only do it in b instead of g
if
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Am Fr 30. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
Anyway, I'll appreciate so much if another one of the lucky Freerunner
owners could make a battery test (also just a standby one) in a place
with low GSM coverage...
Standby doesn't vary with signal-strength. Just
I saw the Neo fr PCB diagram,it same can't do. also they have different pin
number,and size. :-(
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: Can update
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 04:19:37PM -0700, Pranav Desai wrote:
I am still having trouble building openmoko-dialer2 with the toolchain. I
can build openmoko-sample2 just fine.
The toolchain seems to be missing libpulse.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pranav Desai wrote:
But that brings another question (which probably needs another thread),
where do we store/host the ported apps if we have some?
* Can we put it somewhere on downloads.openmoko.org
Hi,
I am a mobile phone developer and I am looking at the GSMd application
on OpenMoko. Seems all the AT command are sent to UART without waiting
the OK or ERROR response.
Because the intrinsic of AT command, if you don't wait for the
response of OK or ERROR, but send successive (quick enough) AT
Pranav Desai wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The usual way is to add the package to OpenEmbedded, and then add
it's name to the task-openmoko-feed.bb
http://task-openmoko-feed.bb recipe so that it automatically
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 06:44:42PM -0700, Pranav Desai wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
libjana isn't packaged in toolchain by default. the default
compopents are:
libmokogsmd2, mokoui2, mokopanelui2, mokojournal2 and dependencies.
we cannot
Thanks a heap for this info, it'll certainly help. And its comforting to
know I'm not too far behind this almost-like-a-revolution.
I did get an email from THE man himself mentioning other details pertaining
to purchase of FreeRunner in India. (excited!)
As for the discount, well...
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