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It seems that my FRs are suffering from additional HW woes to the usual
ones, and I just contacted my vendor with warranty questions.
Meanwhile, what's hot nowadays for a GTA01 if one wants the phone
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where one has no idea whether the
device is just trash already or if it's maybe possibly still salvageable
sometime, somewhere, if the drivers actually worked, *sigh*.)
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not talking about communicating with legacy devices at this
point).
Of course, kludging around with SMS may be desirable for cost reasons
depending on local providers, and for power saving reasons (waiting on
SMS while in suspend etc...)
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with the whole
system, since it's decidedly not just a recompile away. Probably not an
insane amount of work though either, but this is from a guy not doing
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to, 2008-09-18 kello 10:14 +1000, Lorn Potter kirjoitti:
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
Sure Nokia has some products which happen to be free software. That
doesn't make them committed to free software, what with being eg.
hostile to free formats,
IANAL, but... (nor am I a spokesperson for Nokia
(or if the glamo output has received
further finetuning). But anyway, there certainly is potential to play
youtube stuff more or less realtime.
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/020056.html
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wondering whether to spend extra bucks for card speed.)
Anyway, any µSDHC card should work. In case of unexpected
incompatibility, 1) finetune the Glamo SD clock and/or other settings
and report back 2) return the card and get a different model.
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la, 2008-08-09 kello 17:36 -0400, Jeff Davis kirjoitti:
What's the highest internet speed the GRPS modem on the FR is capable
of? Wikipedia gives a very broad range for sub-EDGE technology.
It supports the max. plain gprs speed, theoretically 80kpbs.
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su, 2008-08-03 kello 04:12 -0700, Learning It kirjoitti:
Do we have sources of firmware for GSM chipset?
No.
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to bother to
listen to you instead of just wanting to rant wildly.
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la, 2008-07-26 kello 14:53 +0300, Timo Jyrinki kirjoitti:
2.5G = GSM with GPRS
2.75G = GSM with EDGE (=EGPRS)
Yeah, but FWIW, the whole G notation especially for fractions should be
taken out and shot ;]
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trying any
updating ;]
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), but I don't know if that ended up with an answer.
Will only changing the usb_mode accomplish this?
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), but I don't know if that ended up with an answer.
Will only changing the usb_mode accomplish this?
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-cumbersome fix will be found. (Let's wrap the µSD in tinfoil!)
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sorry about that tinfoil quip ;]
And cheers for keeping us in the loop with this issue.
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to type it in but still get the output from
the Neo.) See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS on what a fix looks
like.
Hope this helps someone.
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leveling on leveling isn't
likely to improve things much, I would think...)
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Neos?
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and latency is the critical thing.
Then why're you talking bandwidth? Latency is always bad with gprs.
0.5-1s usually. SSH is not pleasant but usable; done that semiregularly
over gprs for quite a while.
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), but not necessarily in the more rural areas of the
wrong side (where 850/900 is commonly needed).
One _does_ hope future models will be quad for increased flexibility
(GTA03?).
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to, 2008-07-03 kello 09:15 +0100, Alastair Johnson kirjoitti:
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
You might try to crosscompile twinklephone.com.
linphone is probably easier.
Maybe. Twinkle does ZRTP for proper call encryption though, so there's
at least that reason to use it as a base...
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that can be accessed using the above, to be frank. These are
three different things, though go well together.
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get data/internet access on the FreeRunner?
EDGE is a beefed-up GPRS. You _should_ be fine, only at lower speeds.
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the voice mailbox.
Umh. Disappointing. Is this really the best it can do or best that has
been coaxed out of it so far?
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if they
didn't use my hacked-up code at all but rather just ran with the general
idea).
Oh yeah, the code? It's not up anywhere at this point, since it's not
useful as is. I can send to interested parties on request, and if I get
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to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are
progressing, that would be interesting.)
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and quite possibly kill someone.
And just for fun... Would there be any practical purpose for
communicating through the headphone/mic jack?
No.
I'm assuming they can connect via bluetooth and that they can can make
phone calls to each other :)
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la, 2008-06-28 kello 11:31 +0200, Atilla Filiz kirjoitti:
Why can't we use madwifi? I thought our wifi chips were atheros.
All Atheros are not created equal. Madwifi is for Atheros' a5k series
softmac laptop chips. This is a 6k series hardmac embedded chip.
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I for one would like OpenMoko to differentiate in this respect and stay
the course even with the difficulties it may pose.
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the mp4 versions.
(Somebody with a Freerunner please feel free to verify if this works :)
nice post about the video acceleration:
http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/
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Pulster, that'll hopefully revitalize my motivation to code a bit
on that mldiff/rsync proxy and a realtime net-shared shopping list thing
I've been thinking about.
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not always as conveniently.
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into doing higher by driver
software if the spec will be revised in a straightforward manner in the
future (that is, through the removal of said limit).
(Personally I've a 8GB Sandisk in my 1973, but of course the card
controller is different in the FR.)
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don't know).
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, you know, I pretty quickly set a root
password :]
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elsewhere.
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have their own strengths.
Concentrate there until you have the resources to spread a wider net
properly.
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of those beasts out reasonably fast, since GSM is, well, aged, and
lacking 3G is starting to be a major misfeature. But I don't claim to
have done market studies on the case...)
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some work in addition to simple
recompilation, but shouldn't be an unreasonable amount of work.
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for somebody interested to experiment...
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possible ?
Yes. It isn't.
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quite a low-level difference. (I have an 8 GB one in my GTA01 myself.)
That said, Joachim verifying a 4 GB card working gives good reason to
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the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding
(remember, the hardware is capable). Hopefully everyone's grasping at
straws makes OM bump up the priority a bit (though again, for now there
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On ma, 2008-04-28 at 16:13 +0200, Jens Fursund wrote:
Is mpeg-4 decoding in the Glamo chip only video? Or could we use it to
decode audio as well to decrease CPU-time, thereby having more
batterytime for playing mpeg4 audio?
Video only.
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frames.
(Also the CPU will have more time to spend for doing the I/O.)
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that your phone would instantly
become useless crap, wouldn't it. Wouldn't it?
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you touch upon here: Have the FreeRunner share its wifi access
with a nearby 1973 through bluetooth ;)
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break the spec again at that
point to sell new devices...
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make things smoother for it
too in some situations.
Should really also check if someone's already done that sort of thing,
one would think someone might've...
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On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
I think you're right, but just a thought if you could issue ready-coded
GSM codec frames, you can put the data direct in there for 1KBytes/sec
Yeah, but you can't.
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mostly mentions of 1st gen analog mobiles having
been used with modems, and notably At the same time, the speech
oriented audio compression used in GSM actually meant that data rates
using a traditional modem connected to the phone would have been even
lower than with older analogue systems.
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proxy is in a
prototype stage, because, you know, this being an open phone, there's no
need for one to limit oneself to proprietary solutions, even if there's
not a free one available right this instant.
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_nice_).
Basic old-school 384k UMTS would be quite an okay tradeoff.
Anyway, for now, still anxious for the Freerunner. Cheerio.
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pre-transcoded QVGA video playing _now_ on the GTA01's,
so things aren't looking bad from where I'm standing.
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of playing ogg, the pulseaudio sound server
seemed to take quite a lot of CPU when I tried playing music, though
this was a long while ago... ogg123 from command line using direct alsa
was a lot better. Wonder if something could be optimized here without
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it personally (I don't know;
if so, good on him, and that would just go to show why patents are bad...)
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and I'm still rooting for OpenMoko, merely not fanatically so.)
The road ahead will perhaps be more interesting than especially those
with heavy personal investments on OpenMoko would like. Let's try and
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to give raw data as well in some format)
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(and
possibly FUUG, I forget) hold monthly Linux theme nights, with November
14th being my OpenMoko talk. These talks will most probably have a lot
in common in practice :]
I'll be posting my notes for interested parties.
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ma, 2007-10-08 kello 22:47 -0400, Steve kirjoitti:
I wonder why this update can't be done in the field.
Field means you. The GSM chip is upgradable by people with the
necessary equipment, which will likely mean FIC, and hopefully any
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of the Neo is a resounding does not, will
not. The Neo is a 2G GSM phone.
The SIM compatibility issue is a different one. Hopefully TI fixes that
and the Neo can be upgraded if necessary in a reasonably accessible way.
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ma, 2007-10-08 kello 13:51 -0700, ian douglas kirjoitti:
I'm disappointed that this isn't something that's field-programmable.
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take it up with the local authorities; FCC, I believe.
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diversion). This is not constructive criticism and said arrows will be
well deserved.
(FWIW, personally, I like the Neo design ok, though the touchscreen
could be less deep; not killer, but need to design stuff not to require
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to various regulations (like, e.g., speaking the GSM protocol correctly).
Again, that part is handled by the GSM chip, which has closed firmware.
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necessary...
PS: Did I mention that I'd suggest being careful buying Panasonic if you
don't want crippled products? Good.
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- and
we're trying to continuously to push the borders any further. We make
our position at chip manufacturers very clear. And we're having very
fruitful discussions and results that I am proud of.
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a functional upper hand, with no arbitrary limits or
costs for trivial services, then it's time for the big push to ordinary
people. (Not that one shouldn't do some pushing before that, either.)
Who me? Certainly not with OpenMoko or FIC.
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pe, 2007-09-07 kello 21:49 +0200, Jens Fursund kirjoitti:
All this sounds really good, but am I wrong when I say that the GPS has
been cancelled for GTA02?
Yes you are, and please don't quote an entire message for a short
comment like this.
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being controlled by a single firm; basically that's just
something to consider for those who eventually get hacking on this.
Sadly, it's too big a project for me.
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. (One of the S-Media models does H.264, but no VGA.)
Can't really feel much pain for that, personally.
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la, 2007-09-01 kello 11:55 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler kirjoitti:
4 RF systems? GSM/GPRS, Bluetooth, WiFi, what's the fourth?
GPS
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This is not really new for the Neo either; never mind GTA01's GPS chip,
even the LCD screen doesn't have free docs. Signs of the times...
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to be the best deal OM are
likely to get in this area. I pretty much trust the OM guys to feel the
same way, since, well, they picked the SMedia.
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but then you'll lose the call if you wonder out of range. I believe I
saw someone starting work on that on #openmoko.
Disclaimer: I'm relaying this information from memory, and don't have
personal experience or knowledge of the GSM side of this matter.
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a p2p network,
shall we? HTH and cheers.
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ma, 2007-07-30 kello 15:51 -0500, Adam Krikstone kirjoitti:
I see no mention of it anywhere on the wiki or lists. Does anyone know
the FCC ID?
The unit I received today has a sticker saying FCC ID: EUNGTA01BV4
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, adding
bandwidth and range at the cost of more power.
Both will of course require connection setup control software, but that
shouldn't be too much of a burden.
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wireless for
anything more than $200.
No and frankly, I wouldn't rely on that option, for your price.
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for this functionality at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS
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on the subject, but thought it necessary to note the
opposing opinion's presence in this context.
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you're often actually doing
something when you need it, but eg. using the Neo as a BT GPS probably
would apparently be otherwise feasible with a bit less of a drain.
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for all your commentary and work so far, don't kill yourself with
it. I'm sure I speak for more than myself in wishing you a speedy but
decidedly not hurried recovery.
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Not to say that there isn't a place for SMS, but those are generally
insanely priced; at least with data pricing there are islands of
sanity ;)
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as an open one would be
modified.
In short, yes, this is evil, but considering the open nature of the
phone, I doubt many marketing people would pay a lot for their ads on
this sort of a platform.
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and device
modes, you just need a non-standard cable or adapters to hook it up to a
USB device. (Remember the caveat about needing power from outside.)
I wonder though if the Advanced kit host mode cable would accept some
sort of a power plug so we could feed it 5 and 0V from the side
easily :]
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