Here's my understanding of this comment, to clear things up: the story
is that he was in front of a really enthusiastic crowd, and the
comment was a joke about the way the crowd was looking up to him.
Totally not an arrogant statement. Even if I don't agree with every
one of his other opinions, I
On 1/24/07, Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He said what? Christ, give me Richard Stallman any day.
Renaissance Man
On 24 Jan 2007, at 1:03 am, Marcus Bauer wrote:
Linus Torvalds once jokingly said: I am your god.
Here's my understanding of this comment, to clear things up: the
He said what? Christ, give me Richard Stallman any day.
Renaissance Man
On 24 Jan 2007, at 1:03 am, Marcus Bauer wrote:
Linus Torvalds once jokingly said: I am your god.
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On 1/22/07 5:28 PM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Never has this project been about exploiting people. If you ready _any_ of
our documents you will find that we're trying to create an open ecosystem
for the mobile industry. Sure I hope this will make us money. Otherwise I
would have
[sorry, I pressed the wrong button before I finished]
On 1/22/07 5:28 PM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05:35 22.1.2007, you wrote:
On 1/22/07 4:58 AM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is
1. to satisfy his and our need for open
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 17:35, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
On 1/22/07 5:28 PM, Milan Votava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then why claim that I'm trying to exploit people?
Well, in his defence - and for whatever it's worth - when I read his
post, I immediately took exploit in the more positive
On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 08:42 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Exploit used in the context of people, is something not to be taking
lightly. I _really_ don't want to come across as guy trying to exploit
others for my personal benefit. Creating this project was not for
exploitation. I sincerely
, wishing for Free Your Phone T-shirts and stickers
Coming soon... ;-)
I hope I can order one together with the phone, lowers cost of shipping :)
-Sven
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On 22/01/07, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
On 1/22/07 4:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reason I ask is I'd like to propose an OpenMoko T-shirt, with the
now-official
tag-line. I'd buy and where that right away.
Michael, wishing for Free Your Phone T-shirts
Hello Milan,
I know what you mean. And honestly, who really knows what the true
intentions of OpenMoko are. But what I do know, is that regardless of what
they do, I will end up with a phone that I can hack till my hearts
content. And I am not limited to a particular carrier, and apart from the
At 20:21 22.1.2007, Dave Crossland wrote:
On 22/01/07, Gervais Mulongoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure they might take a few community-sponsored ideas and might
even claim them as their own (and sell new closed phones),
If you write free software for the OpenMoko platform and use a good
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Milan Votava writes:
It's time now to get something back. It would be nice for a community
developer to get a share of the company each time he/she makes a new
'selling' application :-)
I've gotten *so* *much* from the free software community already that
any piddling
tony writes:
We are traveling a road built by those who came before. It's not quite
right to start asking for toll.
Very well said.
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I couldn't agree more. I can't wait to get my hands on one of these phones.
More importantly I can't wait to tell Bell Mobility that im switching over
to Rogers HEH. The best part is that neither carrier will be able to stop me
from writing warez for this phone and all future OpenMokos.
On
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 00:30, Gervais Mulongoy wrote:
The best part is that neither carrier will be able to stop me
from writing warez for this phone and all future OpenMokos.
You're lucky it isn't a Windows mobile phone, or you'd have your phones and
email tapped by the FBI if you posted
If it was a windows based phone like my company phone (cingular [htc]
2125 and 8125), you'd be threatening to smash it with a baseball bat 17
times a day.
Also known as the best ever possible reason why ANY other operating
system is a better choice.
-david
Richard Bennett wrote:
On
But it's comments like yours that turn it into something like a
religion. The person who proposed this in the first place had a
pragmatic argument, not a religious one. Relative to many of you I
know little about GNU and Linux but I can certainly see the practical
reasons for using the
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:12:22 +
Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it's comments like yours that turn it into something like a
religion. The person who proposed this in the first place had a
pragmatic argument, not a religious one. Relative to many of you I
know little
From: Rok Ruzic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 2007-01-21 10:14:52 CET
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Free Your Phone
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:12:22 +
Renaissance Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it's comments like yours that turn it into something like a
religion
is
the whole reason there is free software at all...
We will definitely acknowledge this.
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
It will for sure! This just popped into my head one day
The point you are avoiding or ignoring is that GNU people are ascribing
credit for a single principle contributor. If a contributor of a
dwindling side of a ratio of software is a principle, then so must
everything else be that went into the development of Linux and this
phone that is larger.
And what are the GNU free distributions to be called? If you cut
yourself, do you get a bandaid or medically sterile adsorbent pad
attached to an affixable length of flexible material? Band-aid may be
trademarked and copyrighted, but that's still what everyone calls such
items and there
Salve!
Robert Michel schrieb am Samstag, den 20. Januar 2007 um 16:47h:
Dear OpenMoko fellows!
Seans mail sounds like a manifesto, Debian has one,too, so
what do you think when we community would having one as well
to emphasise our effort to share knowhow, skills and solutions,
and to
Salve Tim!
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Tim Newsom wrote:
It might be interesting to build some capability into the help system
where people can submit tips for applications, or even help information,
which gets sent to some openmoko.org repository and packaged up like an
rss feed.
Yes this is
to reading this! :-)
Given that the free software nature of the phone is its primary
feature, it seems strange not to acknowledge the GNU project, which is
the whole reason there is free software at all...
We will definitely acknowledge this.
Awesome!
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love
...
We will definitely acknowledge this.
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
It will for sure! This just popped into my head one day while taking a
shower. I think it's really started
That might be the case if those who oppose the use of GNU actually
had a rational case. The fact is they just don't; it's mostly just an
emotional reaction from what I can see.
Renaissance Man
On 21 Jan 2007, at 8:09 pm, David Ford wrote:
Your statement should read ... Maybe those who're
On 20/01/07, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
If freedom is a real goal then I agree.
And I'm not so sure that is is. It seems
On 20/01/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Changing the system title to include GNU/Linux, would increase public
awareness of GNU, but I don't see how it would directly improve the
technology or how it would sell more Neo's
If more people are aware of why freedom and community
On 1/21/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/01/07, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
If freedom is a real
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
It will for sure! This just popped into my head one day while taking a
shower. I think it's really started to stick. Plus somebody who knows
On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 21:58 +0100, Milan Votava wrote:
It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is
1. to satisfy his and our need for open source toys like Neo
or
2. to earn money like almost everybody on this planet while
exploiting geeks like us to achieve his goal :-)
I sincerely
On 21 Jan 2007, at 9:01 pm, David Schlesinger wrote:
I don't actually believe this, other than for the excruciatingly
small minority of people who hang out on mailing lists such as this
one. The overwhelming majority of people neither know nor care what
the operating system on their
On 1/21/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How does the end result differ from anything I or any on my side of the
fence have suggested? Nothing changed so why bring it up in the first
place? Both sides accuse the other of this fervour. Why slight one
side of the fence?
Reread the
Both my girlfriend and father are aware of Free Software and what it
means. This is due to me coming across the FSF out of curiosity about
GNU, and then passing that knowledge onto them.
That's nice. I simply doubt that they'll be making cell phone purchasing
decisions based on that
No more comments to the list on this. I've already covered your below
response.
-david
Renaissance Man wrote:
That might be the case if those who oppose the use of GNU actually
had a rational case. The fact is they just don't; it's mostly just an
emotional reaction from what I can see.
I don't believe that one must always forgo open source toys to earn
money. In my opinion, customer service is by far the most important
element of making a lot of money. Make happy customers with whatever
your product is and it's viral. Your product doesn't have to be the
cure that saves us
On Sunday 21 January 2007 13:58, Milan Votava wrote:
It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is
1. to satisfy his and our need for open source toys like Neo
or
2. to earn money like almost everybody on this planet while
exploiting geeks like us to achieve his goal :-)
I bet the
On 21 Jan 2007, at 9:54 pm, David Schlesinger wrote:
Both my girlfriend and father are aware of Free Software and what it
means. This is due to me coming across the FSF out of curiosity about
GNU, and then passing that knowledge onto them.
That's nice.
The point is these people are certainly
On 20/01/07, Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Credit whom credit is due. Either they accept that credit is givin to
everyone, and that this is a long list, and that if people highlight
some feature of their choice it is freedom of speach, or they don't.
but the gnu way of placing
Please take this off the list :) You and I disagree about whether they
are pushing their name more than pushing free software. You and I are
not going to agree on this, nor will others. Free software existed
before GNU, it will exist after GNU. To be honest, it was Linux that
catapulted
On 21/01/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although I support the goals of the FSF, I hold progress ahead
of my political philosophy.
To value a political stance over practical progress does go counter
to our general culture, which encourages us to dismiss any philosophy
that
On 21/01/07, Corey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I never actually use the GNU/Linux identifier - but I can
understand
the logic and reasoning behind it, and it certainly doesn't bother me when other
people use it.
If you understand the reasoning, I'm curious why you don't use it..?
On 21/01/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
p.s. it's religious and for every one that feels GNU should be the sole
title bearer, there is another that feels they should not.
No one is advocating that GNU be the *sole* title bearer, although
plenty of people are advocating that Linux be
On 21/01/07, David Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in the near future someone else will ask openmoko to prefix their name
with GNU and it'll start all over again.
I did not ask OpenMoKo to prefix their name with GNU. I apologies if
that was not clear.
--
Regards,
Dave
On 21/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both my girlfriend and father are aware of Free Software and what it
means. This is due to me coming across the FSF out of curiosity about
GNU, and then passing that knowledge onto them.
That's nice. I simply doubt that they'll be
On 21 Jan 2007, at 10:58 pm, David Ford wrote:
Free software existed before GNU, it will exist after GNU.
Yes, but will we still enjoy the freedom it was intended to bring? Or
will it be a mix of free and unfree components barely usable without
the unfree components that users will expect
On 21/01/07, Corey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 21 January 2007 13:58, Milan Votava wrote:
It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is
1. to satisfy his and our need for open source toys like Neo
or
2. to earn money like almost everybody on this planet while
exploiting geeks like us to
Milan Votava writes:
It would be nice to know if Sean's aim is
1. to satisfy his and our need for open source toys like Neo
or
2. to earn money like almost everybody on this planet while
exploiting geeks like us to achieve his goal :-)
I bet the second will prove as true...
If I get my
On 1/22/07 4:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
It will for sure! This just popped into my head one day while taking
On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Hehe...waterproof phones would be really cool. It's just so expensive.
Sort of on that same note, though, once the design becomes a little
more solid, building some additional durability into the phone would
be a nice thing. So many
On 20 Jan 2007, at 6:06 am, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus
shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide.
Does this mean it'll be shipping direct from openmoko.com with the
correct power plug for each country?
The 2nd generation
for the community - so join
me to give your individuel feed back on Seans vision,
on the OpenMoko/Neo1973 strategie and roadmap so that
journalist but also interested people see our participation,
our feedback and our support for this great project!
Join us. Free Your Phone.
This wouldn't
On 20/01/07, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any code that would be running on the phone that won't be
FOSS (ie. GPS daemon/driver )? If so, how easy will it be to find out
which code is closed-source, and how dependent would the phone's
functionality be on the closed-source code?
the GNU project, which is
the whole reason there is free software at all...
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
--
Regards,
Dave
On 20/01/07, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland schreef:
Can the FIC marketting department call it 'the OpenMoko GNU/Linux
Distribution'?
How much GNU software must be present to call it a GNU/linux distribution? Do I
still need
to call it gnu/linux if I use uclibc and
On 20/01/07, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the first thing I asked; you hit the nail on the head with the
GPS daemon. That's the only thing, apparently, and so only the GPS
functionality would depend on that daemon being there. Ideally just
'apt-get remove --purge'ing it away
On 1/20/07 1:18 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/01/07, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland schreef:
Can the FIC marketting department call it 'the OpenMoko GNU/Linux
Distribution'?
How much GNU software must be present to call it a GNU/linux distribution? Do
On 1/20/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch phrase! I hope that the FIC marketting uses
it as the official tagline of all its openmoko devices!
If freedom is a real goal then I agree.
How much GNU software must be present to call
On 20/01/07, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What we say is that you ought to give the system's principal
developer a share of the credit. The principal developer is the GNU
Project, and the system is basically GNU.
...
How about calling it the Open Moko *Operating System*?
I don't
On 1/20/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/20/07 1:18 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/01/07, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland schreef:
Can the FIC marketting department call it 'the OpenMoko GNU/Linux
Distribution'?
How much GNU software
On 20/01/07, Declan Naughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open Moko Operating System, based on GNU/Linux.
I think its safe to assume that the shorthand for the system will be
plain 'OpenMoKo.'
I was requesting that FIC's full title for the system replaces Linux
with GNU/Linux for the good and
That's called rhetorical questions. Those are GNU's opinions which are
obviously and adamantly not shared.
-I- think it's entirely silly.
Xorg is as much not a component as GNU is.
If gnusense is GNU/Linux based on Ubuntu, then why have they stripped
Ubuntu from the name? That's entirely
, cpus, and keyboards?
...we're talking about the software distribution.
I think its safe to assume that the shorthand for the system will be
plain 'OpenMoKo.'
That's not so bad, then.
On 1/20/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Join us. Free Your Phone.
I totally love this catch
On 21 Jan 2007, at 12:25 am, Richard Franks wrote:
I agree, and I agree that this would generally be A Good Thing. But
I think it that it would make the Neo just a little bit harder to
market - if a potential customer is asking themselves What does a
GNU do? rather than reading the
On Saturday 20 January 2007 15:48, David Ford wrote:
OpenMoko FIC/GNU/Linus/Alan Cox/X11/Xorg/GTK/... Linux. Oh, and who is
the principal for the plastic and silicon? How about the makers of the
editors you use to create all this code and give credit to the companies
that supplied the
This is so tiring. I think we've all had to deal with this GNU/Linux
vs. Linux war multiple times. How about those of you who care about it
argue amongst yourselves instead of clogging our inboxes? WE'VE ALL
HEARD IT BEFORE AND CAME TO OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS ALREADY.
Why don't we start working
Well, religion or believe or whatever can create such a warfare
is one important thing for sure - to be handled with care.
I better skip those things here ;-)
But it is a fact, that a running OSS box, leveraging the Linux kernel
and the GNU tools and Xorg and .. well, it's a hard thing to name
Greg Tada writes:
This is so tiring. I think we've all had to deal with this GNU/Linux
vs. Linux war multiple times. How about those of you who care about it
argue amongst yourselves instead of clogging our inboxes? WE'VE ALL
HEARD IT BEFORE AND CAME TO OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS ALREADY.
Why don't we
On 1/21/07, Sven Gothel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This reminds me of the very honorable dude Theo de Raadt
and the not so nice reasons for starting OpenBSD ; http://kerneltrap.org/node/6
As you can see, things matter to people, even this 'evangelism' thing ;-)
Not to start another debate, but
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