Raphaël Jacquot wrote:
it's *very* understandable. it's called the NIH syndrome...
We are talking about spectrum allocation here.
The 900Mhz band was already allocated in North America.
You can buy 900Mhz cordless phones and wireless speakers.
915Mhz is in the ISM band (industrial, scientific,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes well it is the dreaded silly 110V/220V, Pal/NTSC, lb/kg standards monster
again.
Not long ago (10 yeqrs ago) there were a lot of resistance to GSM here which is
just not understandable and luckily it is getting way more foothold.
it's *very* understandable.
Doug Sutherland wrote:
Raphaël Jacquot wrote:
it's *very* understandable. it's called the NIH syndrome...
We are talking about spectrum allocation here.
The 900Mhz band was already allocated in North America.
You can buy 900Mhz cordless phones and wireless speakers.
915Mhz is in the ISM band
I'm talking about the previous tech, such as iden (nextel if I'm not
mistaken) whatever qualcomm's proprietary tech was called.
Motorola invented IDEN. They have been doing telecom since
1928, so you can't really blame them for inventing stuff hehe.
In Canada, Telus Mobility also uses IDEN.
On to, 2007-11-08 at 06:29 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or
a whine.
It can become one quickly if everyone keeps mulling it over without
adding anything new.
It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it
Hi,
I'm still pressing on the GSM firwmare update. TI is supposed to have an
answer for us, and we've been calling them daily. They are incredibly
difficult to catch.
(Same problem with Global Locate regarding the GPS driver)
Michael
ian douglas wrote:
Al Johnson wrote:
We should find
In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or
a whine.
It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my
project in my company until I find something else.
You left out one important part in your mail below.
Will GPS work without trouble, is it in
On Nov 8, 2007 12:29 AM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, ok, the NEO does NOT support 850/1900 MHz band, this is an issue,
FIC is informed of that and i think that they are evaluating the
ONLY 850 is turned off. 1900 works fine. Coverage may be sproadic or
nonexistent
We were willing to wait for the commercial version to start our
development, but if that is not going to be functional in the USA in
remote areas like other cellphones, then it is lights-out for any
possible future vendor here in the USA who want to incorporate this in
to an existing product
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint
or a whine.
It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my
project in my company until I find something else.
Well the man at FIC (Michael) said that this issue is being
Randall Mason wrote:
How are there so many people who know so little about cell phones,
GPS, and PDAs that claim to be supporting projects on this phone?
I would challenge you on that flame Mr Ignoramus. I dont have to prove
anything to you as I dont need your sanction.
How did you convince
iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project?
GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by the US. It is
run by the US. We donate it to the world. Why would it not work in the
US? It works EVERYWHERE, that's why it's called Global Positioning System.
How
On Thursday 08 November 2007 16:44:45 Randall Mason wrote:
iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project?
GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by the US. It is
run by the US. We donate it to the world. Why would it not work in the
US? It works
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 03:44 +0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
(Same problem with Global Locate regarding the GPS driver)
It might be nice to just send out the old module, even if it
theoretically isn't useful, because somebody might be willing to hack it
to make it work. Right now we have nothing.
I wouldn't have imagined I'd see a less productive contribution than the
_rest_ of this discussion, but I guess it goes to show how mistaken one can
be.
I won't be hurt if you don't use GPS.
On 11/8/07 8:08 AM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 08 November 2007 16:44:45
I want to apologize for this post. This post has nothing to do with
community. It is just insulting to many people. I was wrong to post this
and I hope the people who felt insulted will accept my apology. Stupid
posts like mine are something that just drive people apart and that is NOT
Sorry. I was unclear. I was thinking from apples perspective.
Releasing an application development kit is likely to increase the
pressure on apple to add both Bluetooth gps and keyboard support.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alan
Mason...
I think we are all terribly frustrated with the events of the last few
days and I think this frustration is amplified by how much we all
desire to see OpenMoko to succeed.
We all want the perfect smartphone.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Randall Mason [EMAIL
Alan wrote:
Adding gps to the iPhone is likely to be a minor Bluetooth driver project.
But you don't have source, so this minor project becomes impossible.
The only way that is going to happen is if/when Apple integrates such
driver support into the device.
--
I understand distrust of the availability and governance of GPS services
by parties outside (and inside) the US, but there is a valid PoV that
the rest of world rides free on those demonic US DoD funded satellites.
Let's use up more discussion bandwidth cursing the darkness.
David Schlesinger
Adding gps to the iPhone is likely to be a minor Bluetooth driver
project.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
iPhone doesn't have GPS, so how does that fit your mythical project?
GPS works in the US. It is a US invention. It is owned by
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 23:46 +0100, AVee wrote:
I think it whould help an awfull lot, it would allow you to switch
firmware
before leaving to an 850 or 900 area. In a lot af cases that will
involve a
air travel and a somewhat longer stay in the 'other frequency' area.
If it
could be just
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 21:39, Tommi Virtanen wrote:
The only reason USA picked non-standard frequencies was because they
had already licensed the 900 and 1800 MHz bands to something else.
Just totaly useless curiousity, but does anyone know what these bands are used
for in the US?
--
I forgot to mention, with the modules I have looked at and
also worked with, you send a command over the serial
port to switch bands. That is all. Regarding the board
design dilemma, I suppose that means the antenna as is
probably part of the pcb board is not tuned to be quad
band. It must be
You should not have to switch firmware for the different bands.
That would be insanity. A quad band module should be able to
use one image for everything. That apparently isn't the case at
the moment, but it should be, and hopefully they are working
towards that end. Not sure what the deal is with
On Thursday 08 November 2007 17:14, Ted Lemon wrote:
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 03:44 +0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
Even if you have a build option for 850 vs. 900, that's not a good
solution - I want a phone that works everywhere, not a phone that works
everywhere close to me.
I think it
Am 07.11.2007 um 19:08 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl:
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
You need not buy many units yourself -
Doug Sutherland skrev:
850Mhz is odd because north america is big.
Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
Europe is much more congested so can justify more
towers with less
I did not look further as Neo was about 100% what I was looking for.
Thanks to all for the help.
Bye.
Unfortunately, I think this is a very good summary of the issue. The
Neo is still primarily a developer phone w/o the 850 band, at least
here in NA. Since that's where I am, it's no
That's a shame.
Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems:
http://www.uniconsys.com/
Bill W.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just checked the manual, it is
850 / 1900
So it really seems to be a bad idea to continue with NEO here in the
states.
Real pity as it was about
I just checked the manual, it is
850 / 1900
So it really seems to be a bad idea to continue with NEO here in the states.
Real pity as it was about the perfect solution for some of our products.
Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to
compile your own programs?
I
Edwin Lock writes:
Exactly, North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of
the world uses 900/1900.
And without 850 you won't have coverage in North America in a lot of places,
so practically it won't work.
Lucky I like in the Netherlands:)
I thought US was 850/1900, ROTW was
Yes well it is the dreaded silly 110V/220V, Pal/NTSC, lb/kg
standards monster again.
Not long ago (10 yeqrs ago) there were a lot of resistance to GSM here
which is just not understandable and luckily it is getting way more
foothold.
I am currently with T-Mobile as they always were a GSM
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 20:02:47 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Just needs a plastic case (plus stylus) case. Everything else is
available (charger, battery, etc.).
Well if someone can provide a complete unit that boots into OpenMoko for
~500USD (and can make use of WiFi), I'll likely
Didnt know they had Angstrom for it. That sure helps. But how do
you get
Angstrom onto the board? Do you need JTAG for that? Or can it boot
from SD or
USB the way it's shipped?
According to
http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download/x270-em-linux-doc.zip
it appears tthat it can boot and
http://www.proficio.ca/
Not really true... Europe have GSM 900/1800...
They have two frequencies for different reasons.
1800 was added due to congestion on 900. In
North America 850Mhz is longer distance due
to higher output power. Read specs on cellular
modules (hardware) and you will see
No, actually Unicon Systems have product coming shortly (Dec/Jan) with
smaller and larger screen sizes and more memory, as needed. I have seen
it in their offices!
Contact Marius Kaz for roadmap and delivery info : Marius Kaz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
That's a
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group
purchase. So if you
The 850 Mhz capability of the radio is disabled.
Article quote:
If you're in a major metropolitan area, you probably won't need the
850 MHz band, but if you travel to secondary areas regularly, you
will find the extra coverage of the 850 MHz band to be valuable.
Looking into the future, it is
Am 07.11.2007 um 17:20 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to
compile your own programs?
I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be
able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for
Console
That's a shame.
Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems:
http://www.uniconsys.com/
Good pointer, and already available. But...
- 32 MB SDRAM
- 32 MB flash
- Screen:
- TFT LCD QVGA 3.5'' 16M color screen
___
Am 07.11.2007 um 17:42 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group
purchase. So if you can convince (many)
Edwin Lock wrote:
North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of
the world uses 900/1900.
No, North America uses 850/1900 and most of the rest of the world uses
900/1800, but there are MANY MANY countries that use 1900 and more
than just North America uses 850. And Canada
850Mhz is odd because north america is big.
Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
Europe is much more congested so can justify more
towers with less output power on phones.
I
Al Johnson wrote:
We should find out one way or the other reasonably soon.
Like we'd know reasonably soon about the TI modem firmware delivery
system that they told us about almost a month ago? ;o)
Seriously, if they can fix the 3G issue so I can just use TMobile for
the time being, then
All may not be lost. FIC are looking at whether 850/1800/1900 is possible with
the existing hardware. We should find out one way or the other reasonably
soon.
On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just
develop
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just
develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
If it is OTS, then it is way more reliable due to massicve customer
feedback than an obscure OEM, but it is a good idea thanks.
It seems I will have to go back to
Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for
North American users.
Can someone just give me a 2-5 liner of what this means to a user that
will buy commercial versions released later this year as my interest is
for product integration with existing products, so I need
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 at 12:42:28PM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
850Mhz is odd because north america is big.
Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
Europe is much more
On ke, 2007-11-07 at 10:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for
North American users.
NA uses the unusual 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands for GSM. The Neo, at
least as it will be first available, will not support 850 MHz (but will
Alright I stand corrected on one aspect of this, but 850Mhz
(specficied power) is double the output power of 1900Mhz
and is used extensively in rural areas. Any future version of
Neo will need 850/1900 for North America. And as stated
earlier, these countries also use 850Mhz:
Antigua,
Subject: Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Alright I stand corrected on one aspect of this, but 850Mhz (specficied
power) is double the output power of 1900Mhz and is used extensively in
rural areas. Any future version of Neo will need 850/1900 for North
America. And as stated earlier
So, ok, the NEO does NOT support 850/1900 MHz band, this is an issue,
FIC is informed of that and i think that they are evaluating the
possibilities to make it working, so please just stop crying at the list
my neo here isn't working... ok, i understand the problem and i
understand you, but
Pheef.
I'll just say my piece on these current events, among other things in
the hopes of getting some perspectives to people, perhaps calming some
storms a bit if lucky.
850 MHz:
1) Sucks for NA people, for sure. Luckily I have no intention of
traveling there (well, maybe Canada sometime), but
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
Those who cry direct to
FIC, and not on lists, about returning phones should IMAO be
accommodated; they bought a quad-band device, even if it was a
development one. However, in the interest of expediency, it'd be nice if
those devices could find new homes directly instead.
Mikko
850 MHz:
1) Sucks for NA people, for sure. Luckily I have no intention of
traveling there (well, maybe Canada sometime), but I feel the pain of
those stuck there.
poor schmucks who are stuck in Canada. that's priceless. :)
2) It _does_ seem like a big blunder on the part of FIC.
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