Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
Hi Matt..
I think I get a sense of where you are coming from. As an engineer, one
thinks oh no, here comes these marketing people with their unrealistic
requirements again. Been there. Even been on the giving end
Hi all,
although I am jumping in the middle of the discussion, I think I have
some valuable contributions
to bridge the engineering, marketing and community points of views.
Am 29.04.2008 um 20:03 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen:
On 4/29/08, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When
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Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
On 28 Apr 2008, at 17:54, hank williams wrote:
I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was
not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure
marketing
community discussion
Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
Ok.. I'm severely jet lagged but I will try to throw some closure on
this and hope it is coherent. Steve has been very cordial and
enlightening in his mails to me. The last I have yet to digest and
respond
On 4/29/08, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I mean marketing is really just how to sellSNIP
That statement could not be farther from the truth, IMHO. I think any Tech
I agree 100% with Lowell.
When I think of marketing I think of Apple and Google. Apple is for some
specific group of
it..
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Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
On 28 Apr 2008, at 17:54, hank williams wrote:
I have to say my unvoiced thoughts
On 4/28/08, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The community list is for getting phones into peoples' hands? Where has the
actual community discussion gone, then? If there is need for a special
purpose list to get phones into peoples' hands, it would not be hard to
create one. Besides, it's
I never said anything about a conspiracy - I just thought I'd point out
that
it strikes me as strange to respond to somebody's call to open up a
process
and involve the community by asking that person to make their
communications
private!
So according to you, it should not be possible
hank williams wrote:
I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at
all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff
out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though
it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It
If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense
opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing anyways?
In today's world, there is *very* little daylight between marketing and
engineering. They are of a piece. The product design, the feature set, and
yes
And to be completely frank about about, I've found the tone of this thread
the ugliest thing going on!
I'm happy with just getting this phone so I can start developing for it, and
I've found most of the push on this thread extremely negative and
unproductive. I would guess that's why a private
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Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many
intense opinions about such superficial things as color and marketing
anyways?
In today's
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If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense
opinions about
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If this is primarily a developer platform, why are there so many intense
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Ugliness
: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There is nothing incredible about apple's electrical, software, or
mechanical engineering. IMHO..
The marketing/buzz machine is incredible though
On 28 Apr 2008, at 17:54, hank williams wrote:
I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was
not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure
marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the
discussion off list as though it was somehow
I was just hoping that if not a lot of phones get sold (mere thousands
or tens of thousands) OpenMoko still makes enough money to keep going,
and to design a sexy phone next time around, when there can be an
optimized case design rather than a leftover one, and when the
software is polished enough
: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Clever design != feat of engineering.
Matt
again, unless you have engineered a clever design I don't think you
have much credibility
Your argument is similar to suggesting Nike has superior
engineering because they have the coolest shoes.
uhh... yes. The coolest shoes come from doing real *engineering*. Unless by
cool you just mean pretty colors. An *incredible* amount of engineering goes
into the creation of nike shoes. An
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Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
A synopsis:
Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven.
Steve: Please talk to me about it privately.
WTF
Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
A synopsis:
Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven.
Steve: Please talk to me about it privately.
WTF?
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lowell,
You can send me a personal mail and I will address
community discussion
Subject: Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
Ryan Prior wrote:
A synopsis:
Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven.
Steve: Please talk to me about it privately.
WTF?
Perhaps you didn't read this part:
I'd rather take this offline
thanks for explaining that to folks
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Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So please don't be offended but saying I don't like it and neither do my
friends is totally irrelevant
.
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On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Ryan Prior wrote:
A synopsis:
Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven.
Steve: Please talk to me about it privately.
WTF?
Perhaps you didn't read this part:
I'd rather take this offline with you, since the main focus here
[meaning, on this discussion list, at this time]
The community list is for getting phones into peoples' hands? Where has the
actual community discussion gone, then? If there is need for a special
purpose list to get phones into peoples' hands, it would not be hard to
create one. Besides, it's not hard to share mailing list bandwidth between
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